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Exactly my point. If Microsoft was serious about this 100% to developers in their store, then they would do that in the Xbox store, where they sell games. They wont because the Xbox store that sells primarily games (99% of sales are games) is a huge money maker. They take a 30% cut, just like Sony and Apple for their stores. All console makers sell their hardware at a loss for most of the life of each generation. They usually do break even or make a small amount in the last few years of the console generation.
They only did this on the Windows store because it makes no money and so why not try to make Apple look bad. Everyone can see this move for what it for.
Microsoft hates consumers, outside of the Xbox world. Besides PC gamers I am not sure why a consumer would EVER use Windows?
Their ecosystem is compromised of Windows, Xbox, Android, and Spotify???? None of which works very well together.....so let's bring Amazon in too turn up the data gathering to 11!!!!
It is embarrassing at this point. The next CEO should just sell off the Xbox and focus 110% on enterprise and enterprise cloud. No shame in this and they will stay make trillions of dollars on this move, while shedding all of this nonsense and waste.
Yeah and they’re all running the latest version of Windows right? Nope. Such entities tend to hold on to the same OS so Windows adoption is slow when it comes to newer versions. If you wanna go there about not seeing Macs in these institutions then I can flip it and say I don’t see any of them using Windows or even Android tablets for that matter but rather they use iPads. Hospitals, banks, government and corporations use iPads exclusively. And that’s exactly why Microsoft feels threatened because Apple is getting those customers and more adoption of Apple products and software will degrade the dominance Microsoft thought they would always have.I don't know how old you are but here is some science for you:
Computer operating systems market share 2025| Statista
Microsoft’s Windows is the most widely used computer operating system in the world, accounting for ** percent share of the desktop, tablet, and console OS market in March 2025.www.statista.com
Please note all goverments, banks, corporations world wide run Windows for their employees and Microsoft Office. I never went into a bank or an insurance company and saw them using MacOS or Linux Ubuntu as their main driver.
Hilarious how some here are in such high defense for Microsoft on a Mac forum.
What doesn’t matter?
The OEM license is tied to a motherboard, which is why it’s cheaper than Retail.
the packaging clearly says if it’s OEM or retail version. The sealed inner contents also indicates the type of license too.
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I gave one earlier - the Insta360 app on desktop is poor, but the phone app is excellent.
All this tells me is that I made the right decision to go all-in with the Apple ecosystem back in 2011. Seems like Apple is the only company with any semblance of a cohesive ecosystem, and I can be sure that every new product and service they release will further strengthen it.
Seriously, what is happening to the competition?
Seriously, what is happening to the competition?
I think Apple will be having quite a laugh at this. The continuing encroachment on privacy with Android and Amazon. I may want to access their services but do I want them built into the beating heart of Windows? Nope.I spent the morning looking at my Asus motherboard which does have the TPM slot but the manual doesn't make it clear if it's 1.2 or 2.0. You can run as a firmware alternative through more recent CPUs but can you see the average consumer caring for this?
Doubtless things will simplify and clarify before launch but once the Apple Silicon extends I think my PC desktop may go to my grandson. It may be the end of a long relationship. As a friend commented yesterday: - 'With Apple you might get upset but you never hate - with Microsoft we've all done some hating' - it was not their fault - so many balls to keep in the air. Now, however, after the failure of Windows phone and the tumbleweed blowing through the App Store they need to make money out of the users of their OS. They've forgotten how an OS should be anonymous and slip into the background. Just quietly get on with the job. Now they want to monetise it and the proof lies with it being free. I would rather pay for it if I could be sure that the OS was just that.
Doubtless things will simplify and clarify before launch but once the Apple Silicon extends I think my PC desktop may go to my grandson. It may be the end of a long relationship. As a friend commented yesterday: - 'With Apple you might get upset but you never hate - with Microsoft we've all done some hating' - it was not their fault - so many balls to keep in the air. Now, however, after the failure of Windows phone and the tumbleweed blowing through the App Store they need to make money out of the users of their OS. They've forgotten how an OS should be anonymous and slip into the background. Just quietly get on with the job. Now they want to monetise it and the proof lies with it being free. I would rather pay for it if I could be sure that the OS was just that.
I’m not getting into a philosophical argument over imposing control over something one has sold to another.
Complain to the reseller, not to people who are offering you information to be helpful.
I use Windows 10 often at work and really like it a lot. But now they seem to be copying mac a lot wrt design
With how Big Sur launched and Apple announcing Monterey just when Big Sur started to get stable, it applies for macOS as well
Who was offering information to be helpful? I wasn't asking why Microsoft was being difficult. I was explaining that they were.
Thats near impossible from what I understand most corporates rely on older software that is Windows only. There is a serious lack of software on Linux since most everything is open source done by people in their free time, not to mention setting up linux is probably a lot more complex than setting up Windows on MacOS. You are seriously on your own.
Munich spent millions and years to make LiMux(custom made linux for government use) then went right back to Windows.
I always wondered what type of system I see in airport computers that looks like DOS
I was not talking about mobile at all, in fact Microsoft failed the mobile business and quit it with their Windows phone. You want to argue that iOS and Android dominate the mobile/tablet market? No need because I agree.
Will we see Android/iOS/ChomeOS replace Windows as you seem to be implying? The answer is no. You can visit the iPad PRO forums and see how many people are complaining how is iOS limiting the power of the iPad's hardware.
Windows is a full fledged OS that can do anything with a colossal library of software that is built to work on any PC configuration and is built deep in the roots of all governments and corporates. iOS and Android have been around near 14 years and we are still no where near having them as a Windows replacement. Meanwhile Microsoft is tweaking Windows to be more mobile friendly on tablets, a full fledged OS on a tablet. While iOS/Android is growing so is Microsoft because their software like Outlook, Microsoft Office, Edge, Teams, SharePoint and Microsoft Azure is growing with it.
I do not defend Windows, I loath its user experience and privacy policy, but I am stating the facts and seeing the world for what it is. I wish to see macOS to be the dominant OS and if I had a corporate I would definitely use MacOS but somehow Apple stopped pushing that way and developers continue to build for Windows and neglect MacOS all the while Apple keeps tightening MacOS rules and freedom to their exact preferences.
I said nothing about the iPhone, I mentioned the iPad which is in line with the discussion because Microsoft touts their SurfaceBooks as Tablets since they detach from one another. Their Surfacebooks still aren't good enough for corporations to care about buying and prefer the iPad.
I see what you're trying to do. You're creating a strawman argument to avoid a proper answer to my previous post. 🙄
Never implied or suggested it. Another strawman. SMH.
LMAO so what does that say? Absolutely nothing. Why? Because the iPad is the most successful tablet in history and still the #1 preferred tablet, let alone it's the only preferred tablet. Forums don't indicate that they are the majority of Apple's customers, because aren't by a long shot. Forums are generally less than 1/10th of a percent of Apple's customer base. If this wasn't true then Apple's iPad would've gone dead years ago simply because people on forums don't care for iPadOS. BTW, it's not iOS that runs the iPad. 🙄
Uh why are you telling me this? Another defense for Microsoft. This isn't going well for you as you keep defending Microsoft.
You keep making up stuff I never stated. Strawman to the extreme. SMH.
I do not defend Windows,
Every single post of yours did.
Thanks very much...
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Got an example of an iPad app that doesn’t already have a macOS program or web variant? My point is those apps are designed for touch screen devices. I can’t imagine it being a pleasant experience on a mbp/mba
It's fascinating watching how the tech giants are starting to encroach on each other's turf.
In the past, each seemed to have carved out their own respective markets and there was little overlap. Now, we see Apple picking fights with just about every other company. Their anti-tracking stance impacts Facebook and Google, while Microsoft has expressed displeasure over their inability to bring cloud gaming to iOS devices. And Microsoft is now evidently desperate enough to partner with Amazon to bring their own App Store to Windows.
A few years ago, it used to be that Apple was perennially at risk of companies like Facebook, google and Microsoft turning off their services to Apple users. The talk was that any of them could bring Apple to its knees by withholding office or maps from the App Store. Today, the reverse is clearly true. Apple is now in the position of power. Google would find itself in deep trouble if its arrangement regarding default search on iPhones and iPads was put into jeopardy, for instance. Facebook would lose a substantial chunk of its revenue as well, and already stands to do so thanks to ATT.
The first decade after Steve Job's death has been marked by Apple leveraging its hardware and software expertise to create an even stronger ecosystem of products. This has given Apple the ability to strengthen its customer relationships while still attracting new customers. With every new product released, the Apple ecosystem continues to gain strength, and that strength is now also extending to the adoption of Apple services even as we speak.
Meanwhile, I am not sure what the competition is doing.
Samsung has no clear vision for their products.
Google continues to prioritise technology over design, and the end result are products which are clearly lacking on the user interface front, even though they look impressive on paper.
Microsoft is doubling down on their enterprise strategy, because it's clear that their consumer facing products are not getting the traction they had hoped. Even their much vaunted Surface line is likely stealing sales / market share from the other PC OEMs, than from Apple.
Apple Music is gaining critical mass in developed countries where consumers typically pay the full amount, to Spotify's detriment. Likewise, Netflix's early lead in video streaming may not mean much when you realise that there are no barriers to entry in this market, and video streaming is not mutually exclusive.
Amazon's foray into smart speakers is not the next leap in computing the industry was making it out to be. I understand why they are doing it (because amazon has no smartphone presence), doesn't mean much in the bigger scheme of things.
ATT clearly has Facebook rattled.
The next ten years will be fun to watch, because I think the time when tech giants used to be able to co-exist peacefully with one another is fast nearing an end. It all started with Apple against the world, and perhaps this is how it will end as well - Apple against the world.
It's never been a better time to be in the Apple ecosystem.
In the past, each seemed to have carved out their own respective markets and there was little overlap. Now, we see Apple picking fights with just about every other company. Their anti-tracking stance impacts Facebook and Google, while Microsoft has expressed displeasure over their inability to bring cloud gaming to iOS devices. And Microsoft is now evidently desperate enough to partner with Amazon to bring their own App Store to Windows.
A few years ago, it used to be that Apple was perennially at risk of companies like Facebook, google and Microsoft turning off their services to Apple users. The talk was that any of them could bring Apple to its knees by withholding office or maps from the App Store. Today, the reverse is clearly true. Apple is now in the position of power. Google would find itself in deep trouble if its arrangement regarding default search on iPhones and iPads was put into jeopardy, for instance. Facebook would lose a substantial chunk of its revenue as well, and already stands to do so thanks to ATT.
The first decade after Steve Job's death has been marked by Apple leveraging its hardware and software expertise to create an even stronger ecosystem of products. This has given Apple the ability to strengthen its customer relationships while still attracting new customers. With every new product released, the Apple ecosystem continues to gain strength, and that strength is now also extending to the adoption of Apple services even as we speak.
Meanwhile, I am not sure what the competition is doing.
Samsung has no clear vision for their products.
Google continues to prioritise technology over design, and the end result are products which are clearly lacking on the user interface front, even though they look impressive on paper.
Microsoft is doubling down on their enterprise strategy, because it's clear that their consumer facing products are not getting the traction they had hoped. Even their much vaunted Surface line is likely stealing sales / market share from the other PC OEMs, than from Apple.
Apple Music is gaining critical mass in developed countries where consumers typically pay the full amount, to Spotify's detriment. Likewise, Netflix's early lead in video streaming may not mean much when you realise that there are no barriers to entry in this market, and video streaming is not mutually exclusive.
Amazon's foray into smart speakers is not the next leap in computing the industry was making it out to be. I understand why they are doing it (because amazon has no smartphone presence), doesn't mean much in the bigger scheme of things.
ATT clearly has Facebook rattled.
The next ten years will be fun to watch, because I think the time when tech giants used to be able to co-exist peacefully with one another is fast nearing an end. It all started with Apple against the world, and perhaps this is how it will end as well - Apple against the world.
It's never been a better time to be in the Apple ecosystem.
"Hospitals, banks, government and corporations use iPads exclusively. And that’s exactly why Microsoft feels threatened because Apple is getting those customers and more adoption of Apple products and software will degrade the dominance Microsoft thought they would always have."
Strawman? You literally said Hospoitals, banks, govermnet and corporations are adopting Apple products and software and degrade the dominance Microsoft thought they would always have?
dominance of what? I am guessing you are talking about Windows OS because thats what Microsoft makes and sells. If not tell me please dominance of what? Hardware? they hardly build hardware. Services? Office 365 is available on ios and android. Dominance of what? show me the strawman I made.
This is full on fanboy speakIt's fascinating watching how the tech giants are starting to encroach on each other's turf.
In the past, each seemed to have carved out their own respective markets and there was little overlap. Now, we see Apple picking fights with just about every other company. Their anti-tracking stance impacts Facebook and Google, while Microsoft has expressed displeasure over their inability to bring cloud gaming to iOS devices. And Microsoft is now evidently desperate enough to partner with Amazon to bring their own App Store to Windows.
A few years ago, it used to be that Apple was perennially at risk of companies like Facebook, google and Microsoft turning off their services to Apple users. The talk was that any of them could bring Apple to its knees by withholding office or maps from the App Store. Today, the reverse is clearly true. Apple is now in the position of power. Google would find itself in deep trouble if its arrangement regarding default search on iPhones and iPads was put into jeopardy, for instance. Facebook would lose a substantial chunk of its revenue as well, and already stands to do so thanks to ATT.
The first decade after Steve Job's death has been marked by Apple leveraging its hardware and software expertise to create an even stronger ecosystem of products. This has given Apple the ability to strengthen its customer relationships while still attracting new customers. With every new product released, the Apple ecosystem continues to gain strength, and that strength is now also extending to the adoption of Apple services even as we speak.
Meanwhile, I am not sure what the competition is doing.
Samsung has no clear vision for their products.
Google continues to prioritise technology over design, and the end result are products which are clearly lacking on the user interface front, even though they look impressive on paper.
Microsoft is doubling down on their enterprise strategy, because it's clear that their consumer facing products are not getting the traction they had hoped. Even their much vaunted Surface line is likely stealing sales / market share from the other PC OEMs, than from Apple.
Apple Music is gaining critical mass in developed countries where consumers typically pay the full amount, to Spotify's detriment. Likewise, Netflix's early lead in video streaming may not mean much when you realise that there are no barriers to entry in this market, and video streaming is not mutually exclusive.
Amazon's foray into smart speakers is not the next leap in computing the industry was making it out to be. I understand why they are doing it (because amazon has no smartphone presence), doesn't mean much in the bigger scheme of things.
ATT clearly has Facebook rattled.
The next ten years will be fun to watch, because I think the time when tech giants used to be able to co-exist peacefully with one another is fast nearing an end. It all started with Apple against the world, and perhaps this is how it will end as well - Apple against the world.
It's never been a better time to be in the Apple ecosystem.
Yes, the big tech companies are now competing in the same space, as they have entered into each other's businesses. But I have to disagree with you in some respects.It's fascinating watching how the tech giants are starting to encroach on each other's turf.
In the past, each seemed to have carved out their own respective markets and there was little overlap. Now, we see Apple picking fights with just about every other company. Their anti-tracking stance impacts Facebook and Google, while Microsoft has expressed displeasure over their inability to bring cloud gaming to iOS devices. And Microsoft is now evidently desperate enough to partner with Amazon to bring their own App Store to Windows.
A few years ago, it used to be that Apple was perennially at risk of companies like Facebook, google and Microsoft turning off their services to Apple users. The talk was that any of them could bring Apple to its knees by withholding office or maps from the App Store. Today, the reverse is clearly true. Apple is now in the position of power. Google would find itself in deep trouble if its arrangement regarding default search on iPhones and iPads was put into jeopardy, for instance. Facebook would lose a substantial chunk of its revenue as well, and already stands to do so thanks to ATT.
The first decade after Steve Job's death has been marked by Apple leveraging its hardware and software expertise to create an even stronger ecosystem of products. This has given Apple the ability to strengthen its customer relationships while still attracting new customers. With every new product released, the Apple ecosystem continues to gain strength, and that strength is now also extending to the adoption of Apple services even as we speak.
Meanwhile, I am not sure what the competition is doing.
Samsung has no clear vision for their products.
Google continues to prioritise technology over design, and the end result are products which are clearly lacking on the user interface front, even though they look impressive on paper.
Microsoft is doubling down on their enterprise strategy, because it's clear that their consumer facing products are not getting the traction they had hoped. Even their much vaunted Surface line is likely stealing sales / market share from the other PC OEMs, than from Apple.
Apple Music is gaining critical mass in developed countries where consumers typically pay the full amount, to Spotify's detriment. Likewise, Netflix's early lead in video streaming may not mean much when you realise that there are no barriers to entry in this market, and video streaming is not mutually exclusive.
Amazon's foray into smart speakers is not the next leap in computing the industry was making it out to be. I understand why they are doing it (because amazon has no smartphone presence), doesn't mean much in the bigger scheme of things.
ATT clearly has Facebook rattled.
The next ten years will be fun to watch, because I think the time when tech giants used to be able to co-exist peacefully with one another is fast nearing an end. It all started with Apple against the world, and perhaps this is how it will end as well - Apple against the world.
It's never been a better time to be in the Apple ecosystem.
Apple is doing great, but not in everything. Apple has entered some markets it should not. The TV streaming business, for instance, has a huge barrier to entry, which is the high cost of new shows. Apple TV+ is having a hard time gaining traction, as it is overshadowed by Disney+. The iPhone business is still huge, of course, even though Android phones are gaining ground. The Mac business is doing great, but it is a very small share of the whole PC market.
Microsoft is also doing very well. Consumer products are doing good for the most part. Windows is, of course, the world's most popular operating system by a large margin. Office is doing great and left the competition behind. The XBOX business is seriously behind Sony's Playstation, but not going that bad.
Amazon is also doing great. And so is Google.
Of course, all these companies struggle when they enter markets unknown to them. Apple is struggling in the TV business as much as (or even more than) Microsoft did in the hardware business, for instance. But the core business of these companies is somewhere else.
So, in a nutshell, you are saying that only Apple has it right and all others are wrong?It's fascinating watching how the tech giants are starting to encroach on each other's turf.
In the past, each seemed to have carved out their own respective markets and there was little overlap. Now, we see Apple picking fights with just about every other company. Their anti-tracking stance impacts Facebook and Google, while Microsoft has expressed displeasure over their inability to bring cloud gaming to iOS devices. And Microsoft is now evidently desperate enough to partner with Amazon to bring their own App Store to Windows.
A few years ago, it used to be that Apple was perennially at risk of companies like Facebook, google and Microsoft turning off their services to Apple users. The talk was that any of them could bring Apple to its knees by withholding office or maps from the App Store. Today, the reverse is clearly true. Apple is now in the position of power. Google would find itself in deep trouble if its arrangement regarding default search on iPhones and iPads was put into jeopardy, for instance. Facebook would lose a substantial chunk of its revenue as well, and already stands to do so thanks to ATT.
The first decade after Steve Job's death has been marked by Apple leveraging its hardware and software expertise to create an even stronger ecosystem of products. This has given Apple the ability to strengthen its customer relationships while still attracting new customers. With every new product released, the Apple ecosystem continues to gain strength, and that strength is now also extending to the adoption of Apple services even as we speak.
Meanwhile, I am not sure what the competition is doing.
Samsung has no clear vision for their products.
Google continues to prioritise technology over design, and the end result are products which are clearly lacking on the user interface front, even though they look impressive on paper.
Microsoft is doubling down on their enterprise strategy, because it's clear that their consumer facing products are not getting the traction they had hoped. Even their much vaunted Surface line is likely stealing sales / market share from the other PC OEMs, than from Apple.
Apple Music is gaining critical mass in developed countries where consumers typically pay the full amount, to Spotify's detriment. Likewise, Netflix's early lead in video streaming may not mean much when you realise that there are no barriers to entry in this market, and video streaming is not mutually exclusive.
Amazon's foray into smart speakers is not the next leap in computing the industry was making it out to be. I understand why they are doing it (because amazon has no smartphone presence), doesn't mean much in the bigger scheme of things.
ATT clearly has Facebook rattled.
The next ten years will be fun to watch, because I think the time when tech giants used to be able to co-exist peacefully with one another is fast nearing an end. It all started with Apple against the world, and perhaps this is how it will end as well - Apple against the world.
It's never been a better time to be in the Apple ecosystem.
I run a good chunk of that legacy software (I'm IT manager for a bank). There are alternatives. I'm not going to get 100% windows free, but I have already tested and started working on alternative deployment methods for specific pieces of software.
The most picky pieces I'll be using Windows Remote Desktop services. That way users who must use some of th eold windows legacy stuff can still access it. xfreerdp2 works great for connecting to RDS and it appearing native.
the hardest part for this migration will not be technology, but the users. My users are idiots. and the majority of them don't know how to use even their phones (I got an after hours emergency call over the weekend because some idjit locked out her peresonal iPhone)
All I know: More changes Microsoft is ramming through recently is making life incredibly frustrating. This mornings "major change announcement" is forcing banner ads through to outlook for "featured" outlook add-ons. They're pushing this out by July 30th, as "opt out". Meaning by default all my users are now going to automatically start getting this. of course there's an "opt out" but I have to go through and design a set of OCPS rules to block it. But Microsoft just says "go do it here" and doesn't even provide instructions on how to do it.
again: More microsoft developers getting paid to invent work for themselves that makes life harder for everyone of us admins. And they want us to have faith in Win11