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Windows 11 is mostly irrelevant. Out of the business sector, where only office really matters, all that is left is enthusiasts. The remainder of the users buy ass end hardware by the lowest bidder, install chrome and use that as a web terminal.

every corp windows install has the store disabled. Every consumer windows install has the store abandoned or ignored. Absolutely no one wants or needs Android apps on their windows lump. They have android tablets available for pocket money that already do that.

The only truth here is that the end users look at this and go “oh **** not again” after spending the last 5 years poked in the eye by windows 10.

MSFT need to tidy their **** up, clean out legacy, fix bugs and give an honest user focused experience rather than throwing poop at everything and see what sticks.
 
?? It will still be Windows and can run all Win32+ Windows apps. They're not talking about a platform change, just software.
But it's not 100% native.
Android is a different OS, different kernel, despite being x86.

Just the JAVA language itself has a huge layer, this is why it's slow BUT it's compatible with everything.
 
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Windows 11 is mostly irrelevant. Out of the business sector, where only office really matters, all that is left is enthusiasts. The remainder of the users buy ass end hardware by the lowest bidder, install chrome and use that as a web terminal.

every corp windows install has the store disabled. Every consumer windows install has the store abandoned or ignored. Absolutely no one wants or needs Android apps on their windows lump. They have android tablets available for pocket money that already do that.

The only truth here is that the end users look at this and go “oh **** not again” after spending the last 5 years poked in the eye by windows 10.

MSFT need to tidy their **** up, clean out legacy, fix bugs and give an honest user focused experience rather than throwing poop at everything and see what sticks.
Sure, many of the things Microsoft is doing here seems to be just for eye candy. But Microsoft is not stupid. Microsoft has Windows 10 LTSC which has a support date until 2029. Also, Microsoft has been pushing Azure and the cloud for Enterprise so the OS itself in the end wouldn't matter much. That's where the money is for Microsoft.

Imo this Windows 11 thing is another attempt to prepare consumers for a transition (presumably away from x86). Since Google is hostile towards Microsoft, and Microsoft needs a jumpstart in apps, looks like they found Amazon as a partner, at least to fill the bare Windows Store with more familiar apps (minus Google apps of course). Windows 11 is basically Windows 10X redux. I'm guessing we will see another attempt ala WinRT. Apple's transition to Apple Silicon justified ARM as a general computing platform, that I'm sure many PC OEMs and Microsoft are doing a lot of work for Windows on ARM.
 
Microsoft is a loser in the tech space, they always have been. They would be 100% lost with Windows and Office. Period. And they are losing a customer base with Windows too otherwise they wouldn't have introduced yesterday Windows 11....."the MacOS version."
microsoft always in stable mode so as intel . 95% office in my country are theirs and most business apps in windows.
 
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That depends if it’s an OEM version or not. Do you have retail or OEM?



OEM is tied to the motherboard - to one PC.

The retail version can certainly be transferred to another PC.
On the one hand, I went to micro center and asked for a copy of windows, so I purchased a copy at retail. Sure, that doesn’t answer your question as they could have sold me an OEM license.

One the other hand, it shouldn’t matter.
 
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I honestly don't understand why anyone would want to run a phone app on a desktop, except perhaps a game they love like Tetris or something.

I truly would like to hear about someone's real-world scenario where this would be beneficial.
It's not complicated, but if you don't see the need for it, then be content with what you're doing.

For the rest of us, the ability to run Android apps on a desktop OS is a good thing. To what extent we run them depends upon our individual use cases and workflows.

As someone who uses iPads, iMacs, chromebooks, Windows laptops, and Android smartphones and tablets... I'm really looking forward to the ability to run Android apps on Win 11.
 
It's not complicated, but if you don't see the need for it, then be content with what you're doing.

For the rest of us, the ability to run Android apps on a desktop OS is a good thing. To what extent we run them depends upon our individual use cases and workflows.

As someone who uses iPads, iMacs, chromebooks, Windows laptops, and Android smartphones and tablets... I'm really looking forward to the ability to run Android apps on Win 11.
I'm not arguing against the use-case, I wanted real examples: which apps, and why.

I'm genuinely interested, not trying to dissuade anyone from doing this.
 
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Sure, many of the things Microsoft is doing here seems to be just for eye candy. But Microsoft is not stupid. Microsoft has Windows 10 LTSC which has a support date until 2029. Also, Microsoft has been pushing Azure and the cloud for Enterprise so the OS itself in the end wouldn't matter much. That's where the money is for Microsoft.

Imo this Windows 11 thing is another attempt to prepare consumers for a transition (presumably away from x86). Since Google is hostile towards Microsoft, and Microsoft needs a jumpstart in apps, looks like they found Amazon as a partner, at least to fill the bare Windows Store with more familiar apps (minus Google apps of course). Windows 11 is basically Windows 10X redux. I'm guessing we will see another attempt ala WinRT. Apple's transition to Apple Silicon justified ARM as a general computing platform, that I'm sure many PC OEMs and Microsoft are doing a lot of work for Windows on ARM.
Watch what happens. It will be abandoned within 3 years.

Note that I’ve been a windows dev for about 25 years. This is another bit of unnecessary platform fragmentation. They are trying to do everything again and the only outcome when they do this is that swathes of users will be abandoned with all the things that turn into cost centres rather than profit centres.

There is no windows ARM transition yet. They already tried that with old Lumia tablets and Surface and ****ed it both times by shipping half baked excrement.

If anyone remembers windows phone then you’ll know what a complete balls up this will be and the cost to the platform. everyone walked when they broke the API and now no one had any confidence in platform stability past win32. And even that is at risk and isn’t portable so Qt etc are doing nicely (although Qt Is a **** show on big sur)

Everyone is done other than corp IT and MSPs milking the hourly fees for dealing with it.
 
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Windows 11 is mostly irrelevant. Out of the business sector, where only office really matters, all that is left is enthusiasts. The remainder of the users buy ass end hardware by the lowest bidder, install chrome and use that as a web terminal.

every corp windows install has the store disabled. Every consumer windows install has the store abandoned or ignored. Absolutely no one wants or needs Android apps on their windows lump. They have android tablets available for pocket money that already do that.

The only truth here is that the end users look at this and go “oh **** not again” after spending the last 5 years poked in the eye by windows 10.

MSFT need to tidy their **** up, clean out legacy, fix bugs and give an honest user focused experience rather than throwing poop at everything and see what sticks.

As a system admin and IT Manager.

Windows 10 on it's own has been an absolutely cluster**** to maintain and deploy due to microsoft's abusive over-reach into the OS.

When Win10 launched it wasn't that bad. But they've been making life difficult for sysadmins. Win10 has bloated beyond belief. when we started deploying it, it would install around 10-15gb, run lean around 1gb of RAM on fresh install.

but over the years, it's grown to a fresh install closer t 40gb. So much "security theatre" that does NOTHING has been introduced that has made it next to impossible to actually have a fully locked down secured environment. I'm in banking. I'm heavily regulated and have to have heavy restrictions and lockdowns on the end user. Microsoft with win10 has made that incredibly difficult. ADMX's that don't work or launched months after feature sets. Restrictions on Powershell scripts even when signed. forced signing and integrations into AD's just to do basic things.

Nevermind the bloatware that ships with win10 that gets reinstalled on major patching. Or the fact you have to as an admin write custom powershell scripts just to remove **** so it doesn't re-install on every new user.

Win10 barely works anymore with VDI Horizons. I spend hours of my day ****ing with the registry and GPO's to get anything working (and half the time still windows bugs out and overrides Horizon's configurations). Nothing more frustrating than windows 10 reseting every users default Adobe handler on login, or deciding to crash out half way through GPO application so users are flooding my helpdesk with "where's my printers" or "where's my shared drives"


My fear is what else is going to break with Win11. They break something with every feature release with win10 on the back end.

it's not just end users I think that are going to shrug and decide if they're starting all over again, maybe worth it to go Linux instead. As a system administrator, After the win11 annoucnement, I have decided that Win10 is likely going to be the last windows my network sees. I am now investigating replcaing windows VDI images with Ubuntu if I can. I've already got my VP testing out a linux laptop and he's thrilled by it compared to his old Windows one.

I legitimately think Microsoft is in a "make work" mode, and 80% of the stuff they've been dumping into Win10 is absolutely spaghetti code being thrown at the wall because Microsoft is looking for reasons to keep developing. I've legitimately had conversations with engineers in Microsoft's development teams and they 100% do not have any system administrators reviewing what they're releasing. All the management and configuration oversight is ad-hoc AFTER they've dumped this **** on us.

Heck, Like Teams. I can go into the Teams administrative site, Pull a complete list of a users call times, mesage history etc... but NOBODY at microsoft thought that we'd have the need to export that information. What ****ing ignoramuses are developing at Microsoft these days. It legit wasn't this bad 5 years ago.
 
Microsoft is a loser in the tech space, they always have been. They would be 100% lost with Windows and Office. Period. And they are losing a customer base with Windows too otherwise they wouldn't have introduced yesterday Windows 11....."the MacOS version."

This is fundamentally untrue and there is significantly more to Microsoft than purely windows and Office

I'm not saying everything else tehy do is great quality, but this is ignorant
 
not sure what bloated for you but for me i rare got this issue with x86 windows or linux anymore. Old times linux much hassle but with ubuntu come out much2 better ux . If something wrong easily can check event viewer but for macos , had to search all log so on.
I guess it’s personal preference. You know how to better utilize Windows, for that functions you utilize it for. For most, MacOS is simple. It’s something I’d recommend to my mom, and grandparents. If you had a Windows computer all your life, there’s a learning curve.
 
Right, it's competitive with the s21, among the highest priced Samsung models and one that does not represent the bulk of Samsung sales globally. Most of those Samsung phones aren't even available in the US. Iphones are wildly overpriced (~3x premium) compared to the CN makers. US is weathering that tide via direct bans now, but not many years until there are comparable native Vietnamese, etc brands.

As we move into a period where smartphones are globally ubiquitous and OS increasingly indistinguishable, will the 20-somethings still be willing to drop a grand on a "status symbol" from a previous generation, or are they going to instead divert funds to their video game avatars or whatever the hell young people will be into? The "iphone as status symbol in developing world" was true in the mid-10's, but those people are now 40 and the young just think of the phone as a platform to get to the content/communication. This is why the camera is such a core part of the phone--in the future will be weird AR functionality as people develop and demonstrate status online directly rather than via flashing an expensive device in the "real world".
You're on to something. At one point I might've said privacy (or the perception of) was the one immovable brick in Apple's wall but I think society has shown they dont care about that either.

It's an enigma to me that other than US, everyone is more heavily Windows, Android, Google and WhatsApp users but then you have much stronger privacy laws in Europe. Not sure how to reconcile that.
 
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Windows 11 is mostly irrelevant. Out of the business sector, where only office really matters, all that is left is enthusiasts. The remainder of the users buy ass end hardware by the lowest bidder, install chrome and use that as a web terminal.

every corp windows install has the store disabled. Every consumer windows install has the store abandoned or ignored. Absolutely no one wants or needs Android apps on their windows lump. They have android tablets available for pocket money that already do that.

The only truth here is that the end users look at this and go “oh **** not again” after spending the last 5 years poked in the eye by windows 10.

MSFT need to tidy their **** up, clean out legacy, fix bugs and give an honest user focused experience rather than throwing poop at everything and see what sticks.
I'm not sure I could have asked for a more out-of-touch take. First of all, you claim it's irrelevant by writing off the business sector, which is hilarious in its own way. Don't get me wrong, I wish Windows wasn't as common as it is in business and I'm thankful that I at least get to use a Mac but the idea that a) only office really matters in business and b) all that's left are enthusiasts is just complete and utter nonsense. I say this as someone who works for a company that makes Windows & mobile apps and can't find the market to make Mac apps.

The Windows Store being garbage? Something I can agree with but then you lost me when you spoke for the entire world by claiming no one wants Android apps on Windows. I imagine it'll be a similar deal to iOS apps on the Mac where it won't be a great experience but for some people it'll still be better than using the website.

Now, how much have you used Windows 10 recently? Again I say this as a mostly Mac user but I do have to use the PC sometimes for tasks beyond gaming and there's some things I prefer. Especially in 11, where they seem to be making some strides towards supporting multiple monitors (see the snap layout feature, which will be great if it works), while here in macOS I still have alerts showing up on the MacBook screen instead of in the screen where the actual app is (that and generally the windows management in macOS is lacklustre imo).
 
As a system admin and IT Manager.

Windows 10 on it's own has been an absolutely cluster**** to maintain and deploy due to microsoft's abusive over-reach into the OS.

When Win10 launched it wasn't that bad. But they've been making life difficult for sysadmins. Win10 has bloated beyond belief. when we started deploying it, it would install around 10-15gb, run lean around 1gb of RAM on fresh install.

but over the years, it's grown to a fresh install closer t 40gb. So much "security theatre" that does NOTHING has been introduced that has made it next to impossible to actually have a fully locked down secured environment. I'm in banking. I'm heavily regulated and have to have heavy restrictions and lockdowns on the end user. Microsoft with win10 has made that incredibly difficult. ADMX's that don't work or launched months after feature sets. Restrictions on Powershell scripts even when signed. forced signing and integrations into AD's just to do basic things.

Nevermind the bloatware that ships with win10 that gets reinstalled on major patching. Or the fact you have to as an admin write custom powershell scripts just to remove **** so it doesn't re-install on every new user.

Win10 barely works anymore with VDI Horizons. I spend hours of my day ****ing with the registry and GPO's to get anything working (and half the time still windows bugs out and overrides Horizon's configurations). Nothing more frustrating than windows 10 reseting every users default Adobe handler on login, or deciding to crash out half way through GPO application so users are flooding my helpdesk with "where's my printers" or "where's my shared drives"


My fear is what else is going to break with Win11. They break something with every feature release with win10 on the back end.

it's not just end users I think that are going to shrug and decide if they're starting all over again, maybe worth it to go Linux instead. As a system administrator, After the win11 annoucnement, I have decided that Win10 is likely going to be the last windows my network sees. I am now investigating replcaing windows VDI images with Ubuntu if I can. I've already got my VP testing out a linux laptop and he's thrilled by it compared to his old Windows one.

I legitimately think Microsoft is in a "make work" mode, and 80% of the stuff they've been dumping into Win10 is absolutely spaghetti code being thrown at the wall because Microsoft is looking for reasons to keep developing. I've legitimately had conversations with engineers in Microsoft's development teams and they 100% do not have any system administrators reviewing what they're releasing. All the management and configuration oversight is ad-hoc AFTER they've dumped this **** on us.

Heck, Like Teams. I can go into the Teams administrative site, Pull a complete list of a users call times, mesage history etc... but NOBODY at microsoft thought that we'd have the need to export that information. What ****ing ignoramuses are developing at Microsoft these days. It legit wasn't this bad 5 years ago.

This is an interesting take, thanks for the good read.
 
But it's not 100% native.
Android is a different OS, different kernel, despite being x86.

Just the JAVA language itself has a huge layer, this is why it's slow BUT it's compatible with everything.
Oh, you meant Android, I was thinking just Windows, sorry. And you're right, there is a layer there to execute it, but I haven't seen what that layer is yet. Is it a VM like Bluestacks, or another Windows subsystem that allows the execution of android code. (like the Linux subsystem) Time will tell. I suspect it wont be like Bluestacks...
 
I don’t understand the appeal of running an app on a desktop/laptop

Integration. Why have to buy a laptop and separate tablet when you can just buy one device. Same reason why a phone isn't just a phone but also has integrated camera, video recorder, audio recorder, GPS, flashlight, calculator, Rolodex, contacts, etc. Makes more sense with two-in-one like Surface or 360 degree convertibles though.
 
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