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Sorry, but there is one other important difference. The OEM one is licensed to only be installed and run from one machine. If you get a new computer, you cannot simply get rid of your old computer and install OEM on that computer using the same license. You can, but you'll be in breach of the agreement. The retail can be installed without limitations as long as you're using only one machine. If I buy a new computer every month and throw away the old and just install the retail on my current machine, its fine.

Honestly, you'll never run into trouble with that. I've had OEM versions in multiple different machines (one machine at a time) and activation has always worked fine.
 
Hi kasakka, I know activation will work, but its still technically a breach of the contract. I've even called it to activate after getting a new machine and lied and said that my old MB died so I had an extended warranty and the company gave me a different MB. They will activate it but its not really legit and they might not do it if i actually tell them the truth that its a new computer.... The retail one however does not suffer from this.

Honestly, you'll never run into trouble with that. I've had OEM versions in multiple different machines (one machine at a time) and activation has always worked fine.
 
I have to admit Windows 7 is a big improvement from Vista.

With that said, Windows 7 and Snow Leopard are both good operating systems, and I will most likely be dual booting. Windows 7 for games only of course.
 
I still dont get how people can say this. What does windows 7 do overall that is that much different than vista. Its not like its any more stable. Vista is already rock solid IMO. On 2GB or more of RAM, they run about the same speed too. I think Windows 7 is just a slightly more polished Vista. Thats my view anyway...

I have to admit Windows 7 is a big improvement from Vista.

With that said, Windows 7 and Snow Leopard are both good operating systems, and I will most likely be dual booting. Windows 7 for games only of course.
 
I like Windows, but I like OS X better.

I find it ironic that I do all of my work and general mucking around in OS X, and fun and games in Windows, which is totally the opposite to what Apple's ads are telling everyone.

lol same here, same here! All of my productivity is done on OS X on a daily basis, I only boot into windows to play games occassionally or watch some sopcast once a month..
 
I still dont get how people can say this. What does windows 7 do overall that is that much different than vista. Its not like its any more stable. Vista is already rock solid IMO. On 2GB or more of RAM, they run about the same speed too. I think Windows 7 is just a slightly more polished Vista. Thats my view anyway...
It's not that it does more things overall than Vista, it's that it does all the things Vista did but better. It is basically an improved Vista.

Snow Leopard is the same. It may not have a lot of new features when compared to Leopard, but does all things Vista did but better. Serlet himself said that it is an improved Leopard.
 
lol same here, same here! All of my productivity is done on OS X on a daily basis, I only boot into windows to play games occassionally or watch some sopcast once a month..
Apple doesn't care if you run Windows exclusively on your Mac, so long as you buy a Mac to run Windows. They are a hardware company, and the bulk of their profits come from hardware sales.
 
I believe people who run windows on their mac around 50% of the time are really wasting their money buying a mac. You can get much better spec and better value for money for a PC.

It looks like many people in this thread use windows very often. I really don't understand the logic of buying a mac if you going to spend all your time in boot camp or virtual machine.

Of course, people are free to do whatever they want with their money! No offense to anybody :cool:
 
I still dont get how people can say this. What does windows 7 do overall that is that much different than vista. Its not like its any more stable. Vista is already rock solid IMO. On 2GB or more of RAM, they run about the same speed too. I think Windows 7 is just a slightly more polished Vista. Thats my view anyway...

I'd have to agree. For the most part Vista (post SP1) has been a pretty good OS (other than being Windows :p). A little resource heavy at times, but overall not bad.

I think that with Windows 7, Microsoft is taking the chance to.....well......finish Vista. Maybe do all the things they wanted to do (and a little more) the first time around and clean up the code. After all, it's the same kernel, so no major rewrites of the core OS were done (thankfully for driver developers).

I think overall Apple is doing a bit more work under the hood in Snow Leopard than Microsoft is doing in Windows 7. Definitely nice to see Apple rewrite all the core apps to 64-bit. Here's hoping iTunes follows by the time SL is released! (BTW....how long can Apple get away with calling it iTunes....since it handles other media as well?)

I also think Apple is positioning themselves nicely by laying the groundwork now with OS X (with 64-bit, GCD, OpenCL, etc) to just continue to improve and enhance it in the future. Think of it as all the housekeeping that needed to get done to continue to evolve the OS.

For my Windows friends I look forward to them using Windows 7.....for me, I can't wait for Snow Leopard!

-Kevin
 
Apple doesn't care if you run Windows exclusively on your Mac, so long as you buy a Mac to run Windows. They are a hardware company, and the bulk of their profits come from hardware sales.

Isn't that what Paul Thurrott was doing for a while. Using a MacBook Pro to run Windows only basically :D.

-Kevin
 
Considering that Vista never was and isn't terrible, I'd say no.

What people forget is Vista had the same problems that XP had at launch; primarily the lack of available third-party applications, updates and drivers. nVidia, for example, took more than a year to release proper Vista drivers. How is that Microsoft's fault? And of course, there were lots of perceived problems with Vista that weren't problems at all, but were rather just new ways of doing things.

Windows 7 is just like Windows 98... Very similar to its predecessor, but also was much more refined. Very much like Snow Leopard. Similar to Leopard, but improved.

So, while Apple will lambast Windows 7 as being an "upgraded Vista," that's actually a good thing.

I agree.

win95 to win98se was a huge step based on the same kernel
as
windows nt5(win2k) to windows xp pro was a huge step based on the same kernel

so it appears
vista to windows 7 will be a huge step based on the same kernel

my first impressions with win7 are good. were already considering a move to it at work once it releases. Vista was never an option. As a sysadmin let me tell you it is getting difficult to get xp pro running on some of the newer laptops we have been getting in..... have to get creative finding drivers & bios setups etc...

looking forward to a nice win os and of course a new nice mac os as well.

can life be this good?

:D
 
Isn't that what Paul Thurrott was doing for a while. Using a MacBook Pro to run Windows only basically :D.

-Kevin
Maybe, I don't know. But if you want to do that, go right ahead. Apple is happy you bought the hardware, and they don't give a damn whether you replace Mac OS X with Windows, Linux, Solaris, Amiga, MS-DOS, OS/2, NeXTstep or anything else you can get running on it.
 
I think overall Apple is doing a bit more work under the hood in Snow Leopard than Microsoft is doing in Windows 7.

That's because Microsoft already did all the things Snow Leopard will do with Vista.

And that's not a put-down at all. In fact, it's interesting to see how Microsoft and Apple have worked in opposite directions. With Vista, Microsoft did all of the under-the-hood changes, like with the kernel, security model, etc. And now Windows 7 will make improvements to things like the user interface and mature some of the new technologies in Vista. Whereas Apple had 300+ new features in Leopard that were primarily on the GUI. But now Snow Leopard will go under-the-hood and make some very significant improvements.
 
Quillz, what are some of the (positive) aspects of Windows 7 that stand out in your mind?
I like the changes made to the taskbar, which better adheres to Fitt's Law by having the extreme corners of the screen have functionality (Start menu/Aero Peek). I also like that it now merges the window management buttons with the Quick Launch.

I also like that UAC is much more customizable than in Vista, where it could only be turned on and off. Now you have four different levels to choose from.

There are other things that are included that I like, such as being able to record your screen for troubleshooting purposes, being able to (finally) burn and mount .iso disk images, other some others.

Like Snow Leopard, I just like that all of the features that Vista already introduced are being matured and improved.
 
Interesting. Thanks.

Quillz, one more thing: I'm seriously considering buying my very first Mac, for nothing more than curiosity about Mac OS (to be honest). With that in mind, how would you compare the new Windows 7 with Mac OS?
 
I'll be sticking with Vista until someone makes a hack to get a classic start button, quick launch and taskbar.

It doesn't need a hack. It has an option. In the task bar options! I have tried it and it works just fine. It isn't black, like the vista task bar, but it can easily work the same way.

I personally like the new task bar, except I would like the mouse-over thumbnail previews of windows to also have the document/window titles like the old taskbar. That for me (ymmv) would be the best of both worlds.
 
Personally attacking someone's opinion and critique of a feature is fanboy behavior.

You should learn to read properly, I didn't attack anyone's opinion. I'm posting now from a G4 iBook, thats not fanboy behaviour.

Oh, and you should have stayed out of it.

Positive aspects of Windows 7 are undoubtedly the Aero Peek feature, whenever you mouseover a window's preview in the taskbar that window comes to the foreground, but unless you click on the preview it doesn't become the focus. A really fast way to look through your open documents and tabs in Internet Explorer. You can quickly view documents side by side by dragging them to the edges of the desktop. Windows 7 will resize them so they take up half the screen each. You can minimize all windows at once by "shaking" your current window. There are plenty of desktop themes now and some come with changing wallpaper, and even sounds are themed. Windows 7 runs faster than Vista on the same hardware, its boosted my games performance and thats my main preference.

You can combine several folders into "libraries" instead of just using My Documents or single folders separately. User Account Control has been made less intrusive, and you can change the level of intrusion. Security Centre is replaced by Action Centre which gives a centralized location for information about security, hardware and network problems. Troubleshooting is improved. Wireless networking interface has been improved.

This is just the features I notice, Microsoft probably has a list as long as your arm.
 
Awesome. Thanks :) I wonder why the quicklaunch cannot be enabled the normal way and its via a registry change. Wonder if the final release will have it as a menu option. Well at least this takes care of one of my gripes so thats great.


There is no need for registry editing. The release candidate still has a toolbars menu. If you've set the taskbar to behave like the old style, you can have a quick launch toolbar just like the old one. Alas I do not have a copy to hand to do a screenshot, but I did do this when I had it running, and I didn't have to edit registries. I don't think I even needed to create the toolbar folder, but I might have done - I'm not absolutely sure. I just recall it being easy.
 
Interesting. Thanks.

Quillz, one more thing: I'm seriously considering buying my very first Mac, for nothing more than curiosity about Mac OS (to be honest). With that in mind, how would you compare the new Windows 7 with Mac OS?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Neither is truly better than the other. There are many things that I think Windows does better, and there are many things that I think Mac OS X does better.

Assuming you want a computer for basic, everyday tasks, then you will be perfectly content with Mac OS X. You could also get by just fine with Windows.

After using both, I really like both. And that's the great thing about choice (and perhaps Boot Camp.) I can run both completely natively on one machine and use the one that fulfills my needs at any given time.

I tend to use Mac OS X most of the time simply because the things I like about it are its user interface and OS services working consistently across applications, the way it handles certain workflows and other things. I think Mac OS X is a very good "personal" OS. But, when I'm at work or at school, I'll generally use Windows 7 (or any version of Windows) because it works better with both a corporate and collegiate network. At least, for the time being.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Neither is truly better than the other. There are many things that I think Windows does better, and there are many things that I think Mac OS X does better.
thats exactly correct.

For me, my budget is a big contain, together withe the programs I need to run, ACCESS, HoMM, MM8, ZUNE. I am happily using my $350 Acer with windows 7 on it, with all the bells and whistles.

I have a macbook on side, with leopard on it, its sad that for me, as a online TV streamer, my powerful MB does worse than my small AA1, the whole system slow down and TV become slideshow just minutes into the show..
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Neither is truly better than the other. There are many things that I think Windows does better, and there are many things that I think Mac OS X does better.

Assuming you want a computer for basic, everyday tasks, then you will be perfectly content with Mac OS X. You could also get by just fine with Windows.

After using both, I really like both. And that's the great thing about choice (and perhaps Boot Camp.) I can run both completely natively on one machine and use the one that fulfills my needs at any given time.

Well said. I'm currently running both Win7 RC and OSX 10.5.7 "Hackintosh" on my PC. Both have their pluses and minuses. Speedwise it seems Win7 is slightly faster. Programs open quicker and it's more responsive. Not a huge difference really and I bet Snow Leopard will totally level the field here.

I'm writing this message on OSX, just because I happened to boot into it today. Overall at this point I feel I could be using either operating system, but slightly prefer Win7 at the moment because OSX has its own set of annoyances. Not saying Win7 doesn't, but for what I do it fares a bit better now.

Win7 overall just feels pleasant and unintrusive to use. I'm starting to hate XP with a passion, have to use it at work and hate how clumsy it is. OSX has some of that clumsiness too, for example sometimes windows by default are way too small whereas Win7 knows how to resize them to comfortable sizes based on display resolution (800x600 windows on a 30" 2560x1600 monitor is ********). Hopefully Snow Leopard fixes that as well.
 
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