ajohnson253
macrumors 68000
+1 me too
Windows Phone 7.5 ( mango ) is amazing all they need is nice Phone hardware
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Just curious, which "enterprise apps" were you using flick scrolling in? Its not that I doubt what your saying, I just cant think of any.
Also, its a far cry from showing pinch to zoom in a drawing, than showing a working version of it.
How anybody can consider buying a Windows 7 phone is beyond me. Their software updates has been an absolute disgrace and embarrassment.
KentuckyHouse
macrumors 68030
How you are not banned? Do you donate money or something
I don't understand how such a blatantly obvious apple hater is allowed to troll here.
You're kidding, right? Seriously? Good lord.
kdarling is one of the best, most level-headed members on this forum. He/she brings fantastic information and never attacks other members, even when they act like you.
If anyone is a troll here...it's you.
rockyroad55
macrumors 601
Recently got an HTC Surround, but bought an iPhone 4 again. Gave the Surround to my brother and he absolutely loves it because he was coming from a cheap Nokia phone. If you're coming from a dumbphone, any smartphone would do wonders for the user.
mysterioustko
macrumors 6502
And I bet it was just amazingly fluid and intuitive eh?
People, fans of non-iOS devices, need to realise that the iPhone gave you those devices you treasure so much, it paved the way.
I now await the marking down of my post by the rabid Android/Windows mobile users.
Ok I'll start with your use of the word "intuitive". Do you really understand what that word means or are you just repeating a word apple uses to describe their system? Well let me help you out, intuitive means easy to use and understand. That said, we're talking double tapping...you're tapping the screen twice...it doesn't get much easier to do and understand than tapping the screen twice.
Now as for pinch gestures, these were invented long before iphone was ever even thought of. Pinch gestures was debuted in the early 90's (1992 to be exact) by a company called Starfire that was working on the concept. In 1998 a company called Fingerworks "Made a range of touch tablets with multi-touch sensing capabilities, including the iGesture Pad. They supported a fairly rich library of multi-point / multi-finger gestures." Apple eventually purchased Fingerworks in 2005 so as to gain access to their intellectual property.
The moral of the story Apple did not invent these features that you are touting so proudly and claiming everyone else is copying. These features and ideas were around long before iphone was even a consideration. So next time before painting with your broad brush it helps to actually know what you're talking about instead of just using buzz words like "intuitive".
Source: http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html
mysterioustko
macrumors 6502
As I've never used a WP7 device as my daily driver I'm curious as to what your experience was with it. What made you go back to iphone? What were the pros and cons that you found with it as compared to your iphone?
rockyroad55
macrumors 601
It was the ease of use and the Apple ecosystem. With mobileme, all I had to do was enter my account info and my contacts and events synced right there. With WP, oh man was it freaking stupid. I had to make a live account, export my contacts in Address Book as an outlook file to my desktop, import it to Live, and it synced. But, guess what? It synced some names and some other contacts didn't even have a number with it!
The pros were definitely the minimalist feeling and it was a welcome change from iOS and the speaker was definitely louder and great for speakerphone calls.
Cons include my rant above along with sub-par battery life and apps. Oh, how I miss my APPS! MLB At Bat 11, dropbox, tweetbot, iStudiez Pro, and countless others.
kdarling
macrumors P6
They're not sold. You'd have had to be a field technician to have seen them.
I've been doing DHTML / Java / C touchscreen based mobile apps as a contractor since the mid-1990s, on ruggedized laptops, tablets, handheld devices and various smartphones. (This is why I know so much mobile and touch history. Many companies also gave us private NDA demos of their R&D work. MS, for instance, had astonishing stuff to demo back in 2000, but no one could afford the hardware until recently.)
In 2006 we fielded a prototype version for small screens. Having done touch apps since the early 1980s (including capacitive screens in in the early 1990s), I decided to have a little fun and throw in some effects, including flick scrolling and side-swipe to go between pages.
A year later I uploaded a demo of it to YouTube for my industrial app friends. I think I have a link to it somewhere. Here you go. Please ignore its horribly garish colors. It was meant to stand out in the sunlight
So in early 2007 when the first iPhone was announced to use web apps, I was part of the original iPhone web app code groups on Google and wrote some of the original coding suggestions, as very few others had any mobile or touch experience. Because of that, I was asked by several groups to host Apple seminars on mobile HTML tips. Alas, I was recovering from major cancer surgery and could not.
Not really. It's pretty easy.
Heck, I and a few others showed off a version of pinch to zoom with NON-multitouch screens such as the resistive ones on old WinMo phones.
Side note to others: thank you very much for your kind words. You're scholars and gentlemen.
JoJoCal19
macrumors 65816
Probably because iOS is long in the tooth and due for a major overhaul. Aside from improvements that should have been standard from the get go, it feels like the exact same thing as when I got the iPhone in 2007. Now don't get me wrong, I love my iPhone 4 and I still think it works the best out of the box over any other phone, but it's time to revamp iOS. The hardware is top notch though.
stuffradio
macrumors 65816
I've owned an iPhone 3G since 2008 and got an iPhone 4 in August or September of 2010 when it came out.
I used WP7 briefly. I can't knock it, but there is just nothing about it that makes me go, "wow, I want instead of an iPhone". That is the problem with WP7, it's good but it doesn't wow you.
Rodimus Prime
macrumors G4
How you are not banned? Do you donate money or something
I don't understand how such a blatantly obvious apple hater is allowed to troll here.
really? This is an example of why Apple fans are not respected by most of the world. It really shows why they received the reputation of being clueless of the tech world.
LIVEFRMNYC
macrumors G3
Yup, double tap to zoom wasn't anything new for me as a long time WM user.
And for good reason, they sucked. And using a capacitive touch screen w/ multi-touch changed the game. Credit really can't be taken away from Apple on this one, cause before the iPhone, there wasn't any device, tablet, or touchscreen monitor made which was implemented as well and made publicly.
Like everyone else has been saying .... "A little bit too late".
Yes, just like facetim... oh wait.
rockyroad55
macrumors 601
Video calling? By the way, that question does not reflect my opinions in case you misread.
TheSideshow
macrumors 6502
Mango preview looks really good. I'll be holding off on my WP purchase until then probably to get the new hardware.
antman2295
macrumors 6502
LMAO Internet Explorer 8 cant even run the test it wants me to upgrade to version 9 or 10, and Fire fox was only 4fps and Safari was at 1fps and google chrome with 11 fps
Chrome - 11fps
Fire Fox - 4 fps
Safari - 1fps
Internet Explorer 8 - 0 fps
This is on my computer btw.
Chocolatemilty
macrumors 6502a
I used a Focus for a while until it started giving me trouble with it stop reading my sim card and the vibrating function going out twice. In addition to it not getting the NoDo update still (I blame AT&T and Samsung) I gave up, sold it, and copped an iPhone 4. I love WP7's interface, though, and its insistence on hubs instead of apps. The integration was seamless.
In my opinion, I just think it's the specs. Had Microsoft came out the gate with hardware requirements for front facing cams, eventual dual-core (which is forthcoming, but they could have future-proofed it), copy/paste so there was no hoopla over that, and more commercial apps, in addition to a more hardline stance on delivering updates from Microsoft itself and not the carriers (should of just required users to update via Zune to bypass the carriers altogether), then they would have hit the ground running much faster. I believe they'll get there, it's just gonna be slow.
It is my hope that iOS, Android Ice Cream Sandwich, WP7, webOS, and QNX continue on with spirited competition. That's what best for us as consumers!
Gotta laugh at clueless people that think Apple invented everything first first first.
They probably pay for premium bottled water too because it has 'sparkling' or 'minerals' in the name when regular treated tap water is sufficient.
What I will give Apple is being able to utilize these existing technologies in quality products and marketing them right. Eg: iPad. Tablets have been around for ages but interest has been zilch. The iPad has reinvigorated the genre.
I say great work to the Windows Mango fellas. I hope they do terrific along with Android because if not for them, Apple will be content doing minor upgrades and milking the horde.
They probably pay for premium bottled water too because it has 'sparkling' or 'minerals' in the name when regular treated tap water is sufficient.
What I will give Apple is being able to utilize these existing technologies in quality products and marketing them right. Eg: iPad. Tablets have been around for ages but interest has been zilch. The iPad has reinvigorated the genre.
I say great work to the Windows Mango fellas. I hope they do terrific along with Android because if not for them, Apple will be content doing minor upgrades and milking the horde.
