Windows Phone 7: "A better keyboard"

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  1. neiltc13 macrumors 68040

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    Found this very interesting article about the on-screen keyboard in Windows Phone 7:

    Windows Phone 7 - A Better Keyboard - Microsoft Research

    I saw people complaining about Microsoft spending a lot of money on R&D. But really, I think the keyboard on my Samsung Omnia 7 is great and I really like that Microsoft publishes information like this and lets us know how they do the things they do.
     
  2. Watabou macrumors 68040

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    I'm pretty sure the iPhone does this too. For example, if you try to type in "neptunr", you will instead type in "neptune" just because the "e" has enlarged itself and takes up some of the "r" space. Now, they might do this differently, I don't know but that's what I think happens anyways.

    So yeah, I hate to say this but I think they just copied Apple in this case. *prepares to get flamed*
     
  3. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    I would not say MS copied it. If anything Apple might of gotten it hands on R&D that MS could of been doing at universities. The predictive text algorituims Apple could not see but having those adjustments go on is a good trick.

    There are multiple choices in how to do it. One way is you just have adaptive learning text where it auto changes the word like Apple does or you can do the MS method or a combination of the 2.

    MS I find does better R&D that helps everyone as they are much more willing to share it than Apple. Also most of it that helps us we do not know about.

    Reading the article. MS way of gaining data on these I have to give them credit was a very smart idea. They created a game that is rated 4 stars. Teaches people who to text better plus they were able to collect a lot of data on how they need to adjust the sensor area. Smart easy way to do it.
     
  4. SevenInchScrew macrumors 6502a

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    That was quite an interesting read. Virtual keyboards are a very particular thing for me. Some I can work with easily, and others just don't fit me well at all. That is one of the things I like about Android; all the available software keyboards. Since I've started using it, I've tried out 5 or 6 different ones. I'm currently using SwiftKey, and it is fantastic. I'm not sure exactly how they do their predictive text, but it works great, and I can just fly on it.
     
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    I don't see that happen. :confused:

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  7. ChazUK macrumors 603

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    Sounds similar to Thick Buttons without a visual change.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itIPS3U2bf8

    I never could get used to a dynamicly resizing keyboard but Micrisoft's methods sounds better. Clever stuff!
     
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    Kudos for an excellent post :)
     
  10. Watabou macrumors 68040

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    Well it works for me. As I try to touch r from the left side, it will actually select e. It might be predictive algorithm doing this but I can see the virual area for the key has expanded as well.

    But I pretty much agree with Rodimus's post.
     
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    the iphone did this at the beginning. there were lots of articles about this back in 2007. here's one i found:

    http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/iphone-keyboard-secrets/

    now i remember doing this myself years back and thinking how cool it was. do it now and it just gives me the suggestion. over the years i think apple's just adjusted its algorithms for less virtual sizing and more auto correction.

     
  12. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    would not be surprised at all if most virtual keyboard did that. What I find really cool is how MS went about collecting very usable data.
    I think it is pretty cool that they threw a game out there that collects it and finds that the speed the typing is going also adjust how much the key sizes need to be adjusted.
     
  13. GFLPraxis macrumors 604

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    "gimped" autocorrects to "humped".

    Made for a very awkward text to a girl about her recent leg injury. :eek:
     
  14. johneaston macrumors regular

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    I think someone doesn't understand.
     
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    Would you like to explain what I'm doing wrong? :confused:
     
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    2007:
    http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/iphone-keyboard-secrets/

    Sure, show an example of how it works on mobile devices before Apple announced the iPhone. :rolleyes:
     
  17. TheSideshow macrumors 6502

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    When I was using my iPhone years ago I came to the conclusion that the keys did not resize at all based on predictive text. WP's auto correction seems much better than iOS as well.

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    BOOM! Yep, that's all MS needs.

    Keyboard tweaks.

    NOW Windows Phone 7 is actually relevant. Watch out Apple and Google! :rolleyes:
     
  19. KingCrimson macrumors 65816

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    So how much do they pay you? :confused:
     
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    WHAT on earth is that picture?
    I would also like to know this
     
  21. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    if you read the article it fits in.
    That picture is collect data off the game MS created seeing how points were keys are pressed and then are color coded to give you an idea.
    It shows you how we type and you can see how much the average person misses each respective key.

    each dot is a data point.
     
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    Slowly type in N-E-P-T-U-N-R (without the dashes, of course)
    You can't type in the "R" even if you hit it spot on and hold your finger down, it automatically selects the "E" for you. It's not something you can see with a screencap.

    Anyways, I find the WP7 keyboard very good. Whatever Microsoft did, it's great. Very tempted to jump for one, but its a draw with Android. WP7 looks great, but Android has so many nice features. But I'm sticking with iOS, I need my iTunes/App Store environment.
     
  23. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    that is not what WP7 keyboard is doing. WP7 is not going to over ride you choosing your key and get in your way like that example.

    Also it adjusted the size of the key respectiveness to the speed you are typing. Typing fast it is going to make the keys "larger" type slow and with your fingers keys are going to be smaller.

    Problem with the guessing system used for key press in all touch screen keyboards is sometime they over ride what you really want and in a sense Get in the way. WP7 goal was to get better at the guessing and not get in the way as much.
     
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    It doesn't work for me either. :confused:

    A bubble pops up to suggest "Neptune" is the word I'm after, but I certainly do not believe that the virtual key size of the last "e" increases in size to overlap the size of the "r" key (or the 'r' key size shrinks....whatever). If I miss the "e" and press more towards the letter "r" a little bit, that's the letter that comes out.

    The articles pointed out are old, and the keyboard design could have changed since then. I don't know. All I know is that this feature doesn't work on my iPhone 3Gs, or perhaps it just doesn't work well.
     
  25. OllyW Moderator

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    I still don't get it. :confused:

    I don't have any difficulties typing 'Neptunr".

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    Obviously it will correct to 'Neptune if I press the space bar but the keyboard lets me type it as shown.
     

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