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Windows Technical Preview (Windows 10) Bugs, Glitches and Good Things
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True, but the surface line is becoming more successful by the day. Certainly enterprise outnumbers tablet use significantly, but that ratio is shifting more and more to mobile. Certainly the mobile market is a MAJOR reason for many of the directions Microsoft is going in now. A backlash from tablet/mobile owners won't be anything good for MS now.
Additionally I don't find that much merit in thinking they nixed so many good tablet features to appease desktop users. They could have built in toggles, but the way they intermixed the two doesn't make sense with the scaling limitations the desktop has. Many of the tablet features didn't impact desktop users at all, or they could easily turn them off.
Windows 8 and 8.1 were great for tablets/touchscreen laptops(Its a breeze on those devices). For PC's without touchscreen, the 8/8.1 Metro UI dictates a different story.
I'm thinking about duel booting 10 with Windows 7. I'm going to duel boot one of the 7 PC's with a Win 8 OS and, use the upgrade on that (Windows 8 cause its not 8.1 which improved things regually)
{From what I have heard, the upgrade promo "If you choose to accept" will overrite the desired partition you are using and, you are unable to move that file to another empty partition}
Also supposidly for 7, 8, and 8.1 users, once Win 10 comes out, there will be reminders in Action Center reminding you and informing you of the free upgrade!
Windows 8 and 8.1 were great for tablets/touchscreen laptops(Its a breeze on those devices). For PC's without touchscreen, the 8/8.1 Metro UI dictates a different story.
I'm thinking about duel booting 10 with Windows 7. I'm going to duel boot one of the 7 PC's with a Win 8 OS and, use the upgrade on that (Windows 8 cause its not 8.1 which improved things regually)
{From what I have heard, the upgrade promo "If you choose to accept" will overrite the desired partition you are using and, you are unable to move that file to another empty partition}
Also supposidly for 7, 8, and 8.1 users, once Win 10 comes out, there will be reminders in Action Center reminding you and informing you of the free upgrade!
I never understood what the big complaint about win 8.1 on the desktop was. The only issue I could see was the removal of the start menu, which a simple 3 minutes could fix with downloading a program like classic shell, instant win7 start menu. It's not like MS even put the full functionality of the win7 start menu in win10, IMO the start menu in Win10 sucks. If people don't like the metro UI all they had to do was not go into it. Although I do empathize with the start button always dumping you into the Metro interface and the start menu sucked for tablet use as well with no folders.
Completely true. Classic Shell is a savior to Windows 8.1 problems. Just like you said, the lack of a "functional/traditional" start button kills it.
I also dislike Windows 8 & 8.1 because, using the Metro UI designed for a touch screen laptop on a non touch screen is bad engineering. It's like building a bridge on a popular ferry route river that is not high enough for ferries to go under. (Yes that bridge would work great on other rivers but, in this application on this particular river, this bridge would not be a appropriate and efficient choice)
Overall, with Windows 8.1, I have mixed feelings (even with Classic Shell). I consider it more of a hassle to operate than Win 7 (Yes it does have more features than Win 7).
To me, Windows 10 appears to be the real Win 8. Right from the getco, when First announced, I felt it was designed as a system with customization to suit the Metro UI and the Classic UI feel at to your hearts desire
! Can't wait to see what the final build looks like
Out of curiosity, what touch specific features do you miss in Win10 that you used in Win8.1? Besides the charms bar, anyway.
Full screen apps, swipe from left to cycle through apps/desktop for example. Having the taskbar forced on me at all times also. Having to hit little badly scaled UI elements to manipulate app boxes. But in all fairness the straw that broke the camels back was not being able to see unsynced files in OneDrive, what a major downgrade for such an awesome service. From what I understand even if I stay on Win8 I'll be forced to use the new OneDrive eventually, but I'll hang onto the old one as long as I can.
Once again I'm not giving up on MS, I think they have more balls than any other player in the market, but then they need to because they are so far behind. I just think I'll wait till win 10.1 or maybe windows 11.
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The OneDrive thing is something everyone is griping about. MS took it out and simplified things because no one was using the more advanced features, but...
...apparently they were wrong, considering the fervor over it.
As for the rest, I'll agree that Windows 10 is more desktop oriented, and makes the touch interface feel more like an extension of that, but you still do have a lot of the things you had in 8.1, just configured in a slightly different way. Like fullscreen apps. Provided they're universal, you can get them to take up the entire screen, sans the taskbar. And swiping through the apps? I think you swipe from the left to activate task view now, which I personally like better (YMMV). Most of the settings in the charms bar have been placed in the new notification menu, too. It's not quite as quick, but it lines up more with the way things look and feel on Windows Phone.
It does feel like they've done a complete 180 from Win 8.1 to 10, but they haven't abandoned touch entirely. They've just changed things around. A lot.
Well you can do fullscreen apps, but as soon as you switch out of them you are not fullscreen anymore, kind of defeating the purpose. Charms bar and swipe through apps just seemed much simpler and more streamlined to me. But I hear you, it's give and take and maybe it's just how much I thought win8 was. But I've tried installing win 10 on my surface pro 3 on three different occasions forcing myself to like it, but I've uninstalled it after a couple of days in disgust. Windows 8 was just superior in effortlessly using a tablet, and I don't see any incredible advantage win10 has over win8 on the desktop side either. I've had zero desire to install win10 on my desktop, nothing about it excites me.
I guess I'm just one of the few consumers who actually loved windows 8 out of the box. I really really love some of the things Microsoft is doing now though and I'm sure they just need to get Win10 out the door, impress the enterprise market and the media. I highly doubt they will ignore us tablet users, especially with surface sales.
The charms are a little more streamlined, and I don't understand why MS got rid of them. It didn't really fit in with the desktop, but that didn't mean they had to go altogether.
As for fullscreen apps, when you're in tablet mode, they stay entirely maximized. Even win32 apps, while still showing the min/max/close buttons, can't be brought down to a window. If you minimize it, it takes you back to the fullscreen start menu, a'la Win8.
Universal apps get rid of the title bar altogether. You have to draw it down from the top, like you do in Win8.1.
Yeah, you are missing two nice features, but tablet mode isn't just a janked up desktop stuffed into a touch interface. Wait until it's done, and see what you think.
The reason I like it is because it finally gives me an expose-alike, and proper, out of the box virtual desktops on Windows. Something I've been wanting for awhile now. Plus, I like the clean look they've got going with it, and being able to run Metro apps in a window, which for a desktop machine is pretty damn handy.
They won't. Like I showed above, they're not leaving tablet people out in the cold entirely. But they have made a few compromises while courting the almighty desktop scene, so I can understand why you all are a little irked at the moment. To me, I don't think Win10 would be all that bad on, say, the Surface 3. But I haven't used Windows 8 much on a tablet, so it's not something I can really comment on. Don't have that perspective to compare and contrast with.
Double posting, because I found something neat out by complete and total accident.
MS finally added scroll on mouse over to Windows. It's about damn time, too. No longer will you find yourself spinning your mouse over something and wondering why the hell it isn't working just because you didn't click the window beforehand.
With this, expose, and virtual desktops, Windows 10 finally gets Windows' UI up to par with everyone else.
MS finally added scroll on mouse over to Windows. It's about damn time, too. No longer will you find yourself spinning your mouse over something and wondering why the hell it isn't working just because you didn't click the window beforehand.
With this, expose, and virtual desktops, Windows 10 finally gets Windows' UI up to par with everyone else.
Windows 10 the New Mac
Windows 10 to me seems like a great innovation. However, now I am extremely skeptic about its design. Microsoft said that this would be the last build for awhile and, they will keep updating it regularly and keep it up to date. I am extremely scared of this because, Microsoft is in the seat telling people what to use. For example, I feel that through the power of a update, they could ruin your system. It's like being on iOS 6 one day and, the next day waking up with iOS 7.
What is your guys opinion about small updates. Am I being to concerned?
Windows 10 to me seems like a great innovation. However, now I am extremely skeptic about its design. Microsoft said that this would be the last build for awhile and, they will keep updating it regularly and keep it up to date. I am extremely scared of this because, Microsoft is in the seat telling people what to use. For example, I feel that through the power of a update, they could ruin your system. It's like being on iOS 6 one day and, the next day waking up with iOS 7.
What is your guys opinion about small updates. Am I being to concerned?
I really do like W10 preview. I have tested my daily workflow and it seems that it is almost the same as in OSX. On my wishlist is a quick previewer like OSX has with the spacebar. Such a huge and simple timesafer.
Anyway, A system upgrade is on the agenda (approx every 3 years) for my businiess. I even might swtich back to Windows simply because of the hardware choices and the OS is quite wel sinds 8.1
Anyway, A system upgrade is on the agenda (approx every 3 years) for my businiess. I even might swtich back to Windows simply because of the hardware choices and the OS is quite wel sinds 8.1
I've been running with the preview now for some time and I've come to enjoy it. Its very stable, I'm not running into too many bugs (A few here and there). Overall pretty decent.
In my usage, Technical Preview 2 seems as solid and stable as 10.10.0 was when it was released
In my usage, Technical Preview 2 seems as solid and stable as 10.10.0 was when it was released
Well, the small updates will be just that. Bug fixes, patches, and tweaks. Same as it's always been. Going from something like iOS6 to 7 would be a big, named update, so it'll be obvious what it is. MS already has one planned for 2016 called Redstone that does a bunch of something or others. They can be opted out of by setting yourself on the appropriate update track, or by turning off automatic updates altogether.
Sweet that's good to hear. Auto updates 24/7 would be a nightmare
That's the way I prefer it, actually. I used to set it to inform me of new updates, and let me choose what and when to install, but here recently, I just set it to auto, and let it run in the background.
I'll do the same thing for Win10, because even though it's streamlined the process by quite a bit, it hasn't changed one thing about Windows...it still gets a crap ton of updates.
Just really curious guys, did you ever thought about switching (back) to Windows? I mean, the OS is getting better, and with W10 its moving up even more. I am running it on bootcamp on my mackbook, and sofar, i am pleased with the looks and feels.
I have to admit that i play with the thoughts. As a bonus i can config a killer machine for less.
At this moment, my 2011 27" iMac is needed to replace soon (business), so the moment will be soon. Apple for the next 3 years and look the other way when i press on the "order" button.. or config a killer machine for much less and go for W10.
Decisions.. men!
I have to admit that i play with the thoughts. As a bonus i can config a killer machine for less.
At this moment, my 2011 27" iMac is needed to replace soon (business), so the moment will be soon. Apple for the next 3 years and look the other way when i press on the "order" button.. or config a killer machine for much less and go for W10.
Decisions.. men!
I split my time between Windows and OS X. I like OS X for some things, but you're right Windows is getting better and better. I truly like using windows for office and my work stuff. For some reason office looks, and works better in Windows then OS X.
Interesting! I thought i would be beheaded asking this and my corps would be food for the lions
Playing with a computer setup with a 6 core i7-5820 and 32 gig of mem, 3 SSD disks and a nice videocard.. and just hitting the 2k. I don't see any rumors that OSX will receive some new extra cool stuff, and there is not a big change coming up sofar i know for us Apple desktop users. I think Apple is loosing me on this platform.
Interesting! I thought i would be beheaded asking this and my corps would be food for the lions
Nah, the rational and sensible people around here are open-minded enough to know that each OS is good in their own right. They don't fall prey to the Mac vs. PC argument that encompasses others. There is no best OS. The best OS is the one that works the best for you.
I use both OS X and Windows. At home it's all OS X and I run Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 in VMware Fusion 7. I'm really liking Windows 10 a lot.
At work it's an all Windows environment that I manage.
Playing with a computer setup with a 6 core i7-5820 and 32 gig of mem, 3 SSD disks and a nice videocard.. and just hitting the 2k. I don't see any rumors that OSX will receive some new extra cool stuff, and there is not a big change coming up sofar i know for us Apple desktop users. I think Apple is loosing me on this platform.
I've not seen any rumors about the next OS X, but hold tight for WWDC next month where Apple should announce the next version and highlight some of its new features.
Mac and Windows each have there own advantages. Even each specfic OS has its own pros and cons.
XP to me allows me to move my folder thumbnails into a custom order not dictated by any sceme or pattern.
On the other hand, Windows 7 is my main daily driver. Its clean, simple, and looks beautiful too. The functionality is also amazing with tons of gagets to play around with.
Overall, it is your choice to decide whether to migrate to Windows or, stay with Apple.
If you still cannot decide, you should just get a mac and install a Windows Virtual Machine!The Gadgets in Windows 7 are nice and I miss them. If/when you move forward to Windows 8 or 10, kiss them goodbye because Microsoft eliminated them.
Overall, it is your choice to decide whether to migrate to Windows or, stay with Apple.
Here, I assume you're speaking in general and not specifically to me, as aforementioned, I do run both OS's and in a virtual machine too.
Wow thanks for the heads up.
Like I said earlier, I'll be duel booting Win 7 and Windows 10 so, that hopefully will not be a problem!