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Windows Virtualization on Intel Macs

I didn't think the current Core processor (Yonah) supported virtualization, this feature was to be added with Merom.

I would have switched to the Mac sooner if I could have run Windows as a fail safe, so I think this and Boot Camp are great news for Apple and their market share, which is good for all of us - apart from the likely target of hackers if Mac OS X becomes more mainstream.

I only use Windows under Virtual PC to test web sites I am designing, so I have no need or desire to reboot into Windows (if I could)., the only caveat on my Power Mac G5 is that it's painfully slow, if I had an Intel Mac it should be almost native speed, which is very good.
 
Macbook or not MacBook that is the question

Sweet....should i purchase a MacBook Pro or wait for the new iBook. This is all super cool. Do u rekon you could use the BootCamp Partition on your hard drive and use that to boot this virtualisation software or do you think you will need to install Windows x2 so it runs in both Boot Camp & this?

This is all good. I cannot wait to get my hands on one of these new Mac laptops....i cannot wait! :D
 
From a quick read of the PDF's on the web site this looks like a Kick Ass version of a virtual PC type program. No native support for hardware like video cards etc. (VGA & SVGA with VESA 3 support) is listed as the virtualised video card Virtual network is listed. & no sound by the looks of it.

Prolly good for running those few business app you just cant get on mac. Still only early days - I'm sure it will mature

But for full hardware support - boot camp is the way to go.


BTW - This supports a HEAP more os'es than XP SP2 - major plus!!!
 
iBunny said:
AMAZING!

Both Soultions are great!! Now, Boot camp offers native enviroment for gaming!!! And the Virtulization offers the ability to run windows within the Mac OS!!!


w000t

Steve Jobs, I never thought I would say it but thank you for opening up this opportunity. Now , I only have to buy 1 computer.... and its a Mac.!!!!
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W000t is right. This will provide so much flexibility for the Mac using crowd.

We can run Winders within the Mac OS via this solution or dual boot with Boot Camp.

Wonderful. Simply wonderful!
 
This has been a crazy 24 hours of Mac news, potentially the biggest in either positive (whole new market, and potential marketshare) or negative (developers will drop Apple now that they can do Windoze) we've had in 22 years of Macintosh.

What will they announce next, answered to world peace? Dogs and cats living together in harmony? Stay tuned!

paulchen said:
Please tell me that it is impossible to use os x on a windows pc. If not, good night apple.
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Bwuhuh? Um, it's sorta possible to run OS X on a peecee, but it's a hack and mostly for hardcore techies with time on their hands or those in the fringe, for the masses no, there isn't truly OS X for the peecee nor is it supported.

Now with virtualization Microsoft may announce they too can support running OS X in the XPee or Vista(rk) environment but that hasn't happened yet. And I hope it doesn't because people are cheap and will buy FUGLY Dull computers and other sh***y brands to run OS X under. If only Apple has these options it'll help Apple, if M$ impliments the same thing it could hurt Apple.
 
DTphonehome said:
Sheesh, this is all happening so fast! I'd like to see performance of this virtualization scheme...how are graphics, and are all the device drivers included? Can you just use Apple's own driver set (which Boot Camp gives you)?
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The graphics performance won't match Boot Camp (and you can't use the BC drivers--those would only work for a machine booted to Windows). So, you'll want to use BC for performance on 3D games. But, if this is anywhere near as good as it looks, you'll be able to use Parallels for other Windows software.

This is great for me--I hardly ever have time anymore for games, so I can stay booted to OS X all the time, and just open up a Windows window when necessary...
 
Works !!!! and very good & fast

:) :) :)
 

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Parallels works AWESOMELY

OMG, I woke up this morning and my wife had already been awake for a couple of hours, downloaded the Parallels beta, and was in the process of installing XP!

I can tell you firsthand, on an high-end Intel iMac (128 MB VRAM, 1.25 GB memory I think), Parallels and Windows XP just SCREAMS!

It is faster than any Windows XP machine I've seen. I know my words won't do it justice, so I made a quick screen capture movie of it reinstalling Firefox, surfing around in IE, and rebooting.

The virtual machine reboots in like 10 seconds more or less, and surfing is almost instant. I'm on the train in to work now (Bluetooth through my RAZR, gotta love the ease of Mac) so I'll upload the video to one of my sites as soon as I get there, shortly after 9am CST.

-Carlos
www.prodedgy.com
 
skillz1318 said:
yeah, i want to install xp for gaming purposes...which would run games better you think, boot camp or virtualization? im thinking boot camp...

Thanks
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Well, I test-installed Parallels on a Mac Mini Core Solo. The results were extremely disappointing. Installing Windows XP took about 4 hours. The software runs SLOWER than Virtual PC does on my Powerbook.

The problem is probably that Apple disabled Intel's VT technology for the Mac Mini series. That way, Parallels doesn't run in virtual mode. Tonight I'll try the whole thing on my Intel iMac at home. I'm expecting a massive performance increase. But folks, one thing I can promise: no gaming on this software. There's no way this thing performs fast enough. Everything else would have been a big surprise anyway: Playing games on VMWare, for example, has never been possible either.

The gamers either have to use Boot Camp or wait for Cedega. The latter is probably the most attractive solution anyway, as it won't require the user to buy a Windows license.
 
Virtualization in Windows (on a Mac)?

Okay, we now have the ability to natively run Windows on Intel Macs. And we can use virtualization software under Mac OS X on Intel Macs. However, BIOS-based x86's have had virtualization software available for a while.

So what I wonder is... could / will someone make a virtualization program for Windows that can run on an Intel-based Mac and let you run Mac OS X in a virtual environment? It would at least be good for gamers who want native performance for Windows-only games, but don't want to have to reboot to use their OS X apps. Who else might use it? I'm not sure. I wonder if vulnerabilities in the host OS (Windows) would leave the virtual environment susceptible, though.
 
& it supports macs dual screen technology - hmmmmm - osx on one screen Windoze on da udder ;-D
 
hob said:
Amen to that!!

I want to know if you can run Half-Life 2 with this program, because if you can...

I shall be buying me an intel mac this summer!!
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Uhm, doesn't Half-Life 2 already run on Mac? (Maybe just as PPC binary?)

In that case isn't it much better that you buy and use the mac version instead of a wintel version?

I have no idea if CS and so on works on mac to thought.
 
Wow... first the $13,000 solution, yesterday Apple's, and today this?! I need myself an Intel Mac. :D

Edit: hagge, Half-Life 2 is not available for the Mac, nor is CS.
 
Awesome

Very good stability, very high speed and very very quickly infected (Win XP Pro SP2 that is:( )
 

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dakis said:
The problem is probably that Apple disabled Intel's VT technology for the Mac Mini series.....
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for the whole Mac Mini series or just the Core Solos ?
 
ebow said:
So what I wonder is... could / will someone make a virtualization program for Windows that can run on an Intel-based Mac and let you run Mac OS X in a virtual environment?
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LOL!! Call Apple Legal and ask them this question. 408-974-6638
 
This is gonna sound crazy... I have dual monitors (sweet 17" Apple Studio Dispaly) and was wondering if you are eligble to run MAC on monitor 1 and Win on monitor 2 AND simply drag your mouse to another monitor without dual booting or virtualization something? Like draggin' the files / folder from Monitor 1 to Monitor 2? I hope I make sense... but that will be cool though. :rolleyes:
 
p0intblank said:
Wow... first the $13,000 solution, yesterday Apple's, and today this?! I need myself an Intel Mac. :D

Edit: hagge, Half-Life 2 is not available for the Mac, nor is CS.
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Well, I was an early adopter (Intel iMac 20"). I was lucky and mine didn't have any of the problems some users reported. After having been utterly disappointed by the small number of software titles available, I'm now actually starting to enjoy having that box around, being able to test all the new stuff.
 
Wow, good news, my friend went through the trouble of doing the dual boot way. But I guess thats not so important now.
 
mattham said:
for the whole Mac Mini series or just the Core Solos ?
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All of them, I believe:

"Parallels Workstation 2.1 for Mac OS X offers full support for Intel VT-x (Vanderpool) technology. From our expirience Intel VT-x is enabled by Apple on iMac and MacBook Pro and disabled for some reasons on Mac Mini. So Parallels Workstation is running in Intel VT-x mode on iMac and MacBook Pro and in software virtualization mode on Mac Mini."

Posted by a "Parallels" employee on their support forum (http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?p=237#post237)
 
I know CS and CS2 wont run well on Intel Mac but will it run just fine in using Win on mac? I'm curious....but BAH!!! :D
 
supremedesigner said:
This is gonna sound crazy... I have dual monitors (sweet 17" Apple Studio Dispaly) and was wondering if you are eligble to run MAC on monitor 1 and Win on monitor 2 AND simply drag your mouse to another monitor without dual booting or virtualization something? Like draggin' the files / folder from Monitor 1 to Monitor 2? I hope I make sense... but that will be cool though. :rolleyes:
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You will prolly have to ctrl+alt to release mouse control from win back to osx. You cant drag files from one to the other - there is no virtual shared drives/folders yet - (that I can find) but you can copy paste from one to the other & you should be able to network the two os'es.
 
Performance

I can get a excellent performance. The processors stack up to 145% of the Core Duo. When running in background full blast (NAV scanning), my front Lotus Notes under OS X is still very responsive.

I can notice that the disk is being held back but this are some numbers:

Max I/O

Reads: 9,7 MBps
Write: 5,6 MBps

Native OS X Reads: 32,3 MBps
Native OS X Writes: 26,7 MBps

Processor utilisation at 100% under windows: 145% under OS X with everything else shut down
 
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