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Windows Virtualization on Intel Macs

supremedesigner said:
This is gonna sound crazy... I have dual monitors (sweet 17" Apple Studio Dispaly) and was wondering if you are eligble to run MAC on monitor 1 and Win on monitor 2 AND simply drag your mouse to another monitor without dual booting or virtualization something? Like draggin' the files / folder from Monitor 1 to Monitor 2? I hope I make sense... but that will be cool though. :rolleyes:
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Im pretty sure this would work, just set up your display preferences.
 
According to the Parallel's website:

Virtual Machine Hardware Specification

Parallels Workstation virtualizes a full set of the standard PC hardware including:

* CPU Pentium II or AMD Duron;
* Generic motherboard compatible with Intel i815 chipset;
* RAM up to 1500 Mb;
* VGA and SVGA with VESA 3.0 support;
* 1.44 Mb floppy drive (mapped to a physical drive or to an image file);
* Up to four IDE devices, that may be either virtual hard drives (from 20 Mb up to 128 Gb each, mapped to image file), or CD/DVD-ROM drives (mapped to physical drive or to image file), or both hard drives and CD/DVD-ROM drives;
* Up to four serial (COM) ports (mapped to real port, to pipe or to output file);
* Up to three bi-directional parallel (LPT) ports (mapped to real port, to printer or to output file);
* Ethernet virtual network card compatible with RTL8029; Generic Parallels Virtual network card;
* AC97 compatible sound card;
* 104-key Windows enhanced keyboard;
* PS/2 wheel mouse.


If you note, this means that the virtual video hardware only supports VESA 3.0 graphics (in other words, there is no 3D virtualization)

3D games will not work. Period.
 
dakis said:
All of them, I believe:

"Parallels Workstation 2.1 for Mac OS X offers full support for Intel VT-x (Vanderpool) technology. From our expirience Intel VT-x is enabled by Apple on iMac and MacBook Pro and disabled for some reasons on Mac Mini. So Parallels Workstation is running in Intel VT-x mode on iMac and MacBook Pro and in software virtualization mode on Mac Mini."

Posted by a "Parallels" employee on their support forum (http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?p=237#post237)
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:-( :-( :-( :-(

Back to boot camp for me :-(
 
So if Apple do include some form of win xp support in 10.5 (as confirmed by boot camp) & it utilizes vitrualisation (as rumored by just about everyone) it wont be supported on Mini's ???

Can anyone say "firmware update commin up" ?
 
This is another great step but IMO the holy grail is still missing. I want to be able to install and run windows apps directly in OSX. It might still look and feel like a windows app, but I wouldn't have to "run" windows or a windows environment. It would run directly in an OSX window.

That said, I'd want that OSX window fully protected from the rest of my 'stuff' :)

TM
 
monkeyandy said:
Sweet....should i purchase a MacBook Pro or wait for the new iBook. This is all super cool. Do u rekon you could use the BootCamp Partition on your hard drive and use that to boot this virtualisation software or do you think you will need to install Windows x2 so it runs in both Boot Camp & this?

This is all good. I cannot wait to get my hands on one of these new Mac laptops....i cannot wait! :D
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You can have it anyway you want it:
1. Use BC only--you can't get enough of the Windows boot screen--it's a work of art :rolleyes:
2. Use Parallels only--you run Windows business apps when you have, but you like to keep Windows in a window, where it's safe (or, you just can't get enough of old-school Minesweeper :) )
3. Use both BC and Parallels -- 3D games at home at night, and minesweeper and solitare at work during the day.

or...

4. Run just Mac OS X :eek: :eek: :eek: . No Windows! Download "Open-sweeper." Sure the little cells look like jelly beans, but is that really going to slow you down as you clear the field? :D

P.S. I can't wait either--I just ordered my MacBook. I'd been thinking about it for a while, but kept holding off. My heart said "Mac" but my brain said "You make your money off of Windows--you need a Windows laptop, dumb-a**." Well, who's the dumb-a** now, Brain?
 
Parellels employs its own RDF

dakis said:
From our expirience Intel VT-x is enabled by Apple on iMac and MacBook Pro and disabled for some reasons on Mac Mini....
Posted by a "Parallels" employee on their support forum (http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?p=237#post237)
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Parallels said:
Driven by full support for dual-core processors and Intel Virtualization Technology (included in almost every new Intel-powered Mac)

http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac
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Kind of a stretch to say "almost every" MacIntel, but then admit that the Mini isn't included.

At least the Parallels engineers seem to be honest, even if the marketing folks have a tendency towards dubious claims. (This isn't the only bit of hype on those pages.)
 
Wow, thats weird that it emulates hardware. I would have assumed it would use the native hardware. Maybe in due time.
 
iSee said:
3. Use both BC and Parallels -- 3D games at home at night, and minesweeper and solitare at work during the day.
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But can you use the same install for both? You'd have to have Windows installed twice to use both methods concurrently, wouldn't you?
 
Virtualization Is Like Virus Protection

andiwm2003 said:
great, thats more like it. no dual boot. The only question is how viruses will behave under this system. maybe there is a simple and safe solution to this (aside of not using windows!)?
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Virtualization Is Like Virus Protection. Get infected and you simply replace your setup with the uninfected backup you keep offline all the time. Similarly in Boot Camp when you get infected you just build a new "Partition". :D
 
Cinematographer said:
Definitely much better a solution than Boot Camp.
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I don't know about that. Sure, for the user under most circumstances, say, using one Windows app, it would be a bother to reboot. But, doesn't this mean there isn't as much separation between the two, like partitions and worse, what can infiltrate your computer via holes in Windows? I'm not sure about viruses getting in and moving to OS X (seems like getting in is just one part of the difficulty of breaching OS X), but somehow I can't see Windows being hit by its own errors and foreign maladies and not having some sort of effect on OS X.

One more thing...dual boot is plenty to persuade people afraid to let go of Windows to switch. Having Windows within OS X is better in the sense that you are primarily running OS X, and Windows can count sort of like another app, meaning that it by nature would be one of many, compared to OS X, which cannot be missed. But, then it becomes a different picture for many people. People that are rather disillusioned with Windows but afraid to let go in favor of Macs could easily favor a 2-in-1 solution like Apple proposes, and then choose what works for them, and abandon the other. Win within OS X is better for those that are somewhat convinced they need a couple of apps that are Windows only. In other words, for many people persuaded by Boot Camp to switch, the reality will be that they'll quickly find what they need on the Mac and not boot back. Others will want to boot every so often into Windows. Very few will boot every day, back and forth...unless it's at the office vs at home - but even then, if OS X can do it (Office, iWork, to Mail, iCal), don't expect them to boot back and forth for long.

Then there are those that aren't simply trying out if they will be OK on a Mac - those that know the Mac lacks some Windows software they need. These people will have to buy third party Win within OS X software to be satisfied. But I would be willing to bet Apple will never sell such software - it'd be better to start working on or attracting developers for new apps to beat the apps you need in Windows.
 
Still need XP?

I didn't spot it hear, but you still have to bring your own copy of XP to use, right?
 
iSee said:
P.S. I can't wait either--I just ordered my MacBook. I'd been thinking about it for a while, but kept holding off. My heart said "Mac" but my brain said "You make your money off of Windows--you need a Windows laptop, dumb-a**." Well, who's the dumb-a** now, Brain?
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Your a** is. duh. :D

Hopefully soon you can make money off of Mac.:eek:
 
gkhaldi said:
Very good stability, very high speed and very very quickly infected (Win XP Pro SP2 that is:( )
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Nice that it works (at least, save for the infections). I've got to say though, those blue bars are overbearing and rather plasticky. And the fonts...uggggh. But, hey, it's better than not being possible.
 
Parallels Beta VM machine released

macpastor said:
I didn't spot it hear, but you still have to bring your own copy of XP to use, right?
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Yes, you need to bring yr copy of Windows
 
I have to say I'm impressed so far. Downloaded the beta and within 25 mins I have XP SP2 up and running, and rather quickly at that. I've not had a good play with it but it seems stable, quick, and networking seems to be there, I could certainly "see" the host machine that has Windows Sharing running. Very impressive so far.

I am now installing 98SE to see how that hold up. So far the install is a lot slower than XP, and I expected it to be quicker, but hey, if it installs and networking is as it should be, then great.
 
Multimedia said:
I didn't see this posted yet so here is the Parallels' Press Release which has a lot more detail in one place about how this works. There is also a feedback button on the free trial download page where you can ask them direct quesitons.

You can also email them at macbeta@parallels.com

Please can we have some of you step up to the plate and get this thing installed and report back ASAP?? I can't wait for all the cheers to begin!! :D :p :) :cool:
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my you are optimistic, maybe afew user reviews before the cheers.
 
So can Parallels use the same Windows partition/install used in Boot Camp? So you don't have to have dual copies of Windows installed on your Mac?
 
MSN cam chat

paulchen said:
Now I'm asking me: Should I install this or Boot camp to chat with my friends in Msn with a cam. (I install my old webcam)
But even my girlfriend who has an windows pc told me: are you fool?? Why would you like to install windows? :)
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Just use aMSN - it supports cam and MSN just fine. Works with built in iSight on the iMac, plus firewire and USB cams too. And it is free! Plus it works great!

http://amsn.sf.net/

/vjl/
 
paulchen said:
Now I'm asking me: Should I install this or Boot camp to chat with my friends in Msn with a cam. (I install my old webcam)
But even my girlfriend who has an windows pc told me: are you fool?? Why would you like to install windows? :)
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PAUL buddy,

This is a no brainer. Boot Camp is a dangerous and bad solution. Parallels' Workstation 2.1 for Mac OS X is a SAFE and Superior solution. Put it this way - Would you like to be able to ONLY look at Windoze ALL-THE-TIME when you're using it?

OR: Would you only like to look at Windoze for the time you MUST USE IT (or game with it) and instantly switch back to your OS X interface and applications when you don't while still having the Windoze at the ready when you need it?

Plus you are majorly susceptible to virus attacks with the Boot Camp "non-solution" while Parallels' solution is virtually virus immune - IE you can kill an infected version of your Workstation and instantly replace it with one that isn't infected. :p

monkeyandy said:
Sweet....should i purchase a MacBook Pro or wait for the new iBook. This is all super cool. Do u rekon you could use the BootCamp Partition on your hard drive and use that to boot this virtualisation software or do you think you will need to install Windows x2 so it runs in both Boot Camp & this?

This is all good. I cannot wait to get my hands on one of these new Mac laptops....i cannot wait! :D
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Forget Boot Camp. It's dangerous and irrelevant now. Are you daft? :) :eek: :D :p
 
Multimedia said:
PAUL buddy,

This is a no brainer. Boot Camp is a dangerous and bad solution. Parallels' Workstation 2.1 for Mac OS X is a SAFE and Superior solution. Put it this way - Would you like to be able to ONLY look at Windoze ALL-THE-TIME when you're using it?

OR: Would you only like to look at Windoze for the time you MUST USE IT (or game with it) and instantly switch back to your OS X interface and applications when you don't while still having the Windoze at the ready when you need it?

Plus you are majorly susceptible to virus attacks with the Boot Camp "non-solution" while Parallels' solution is virtually virus immune - IE you can kill an infected version of your Workstation and instantly replace it with one that isn't infected. :p
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again dude, why don't you wait until you have tried it?
 
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