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Windows XP Booting on Intel Macs?
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snoboardguy21 said:
Well sometimes needing and prefering are two seperate issues. I prefer the Apple operating system. However, there are applications I want to use that only run on Windows. For these reasons, I rather have one system that is a jack of all trades. And now with Apple on the x86 architecture, this is such a lose option.
This is especially true in the case of users who only want a notebook. I don't want to pack two seperate notebooks, a ThinkPad and MacBook. Ahh...think about it, my MacBook pro to running Windows only applications whenever needed...(ACCESS / PROJECT / GAMES / ETC)...and then booting back OS X as soon as the need to use Windows applications is fullfilled.
snoboardguy21 said:
Maybe I can shed some light on the issue. People DO want to use all of the Apple software.
We pay big bucks to use Apple software on a pretty machine. Why should we also have to shell out another $600 for a PC to run a few programs that are not available for Mac?
Using Windows on a Mac is a fusion of wants and needs. I want to use my Mac for all the basic reasons that people use a computer, but I need to use a Windows system for a very specific program.
This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but it's really obnoxious to hear people whine about how much Windows sucks and that its blasphemous to run it on a Mac. Some people have a legitimate need for Windows. Many of us, having already paid a premium for Macs, have a legitmate need for our spare cash.
Wow, a picture of an iMac with isight running Win XP! Oh wait, they already do if they are the G5 models which look exactly the same! Doh!
exactly. dual booting will give you the option to run Windows if and when you need to. It's not like the computer comes with Windows preinstalled. The more options, the better. If the dual boot becomes a relatively simple task to achieve, don't be surprised if the Mac marketshare doubles within a year or two.
As a 'Pro' or 'Power' user, i can honestly say that this is GREAT!
Virtual PC can go to hell!
I do believe that windows does have its place. Its place is under my TV... htpc is the only real use for a PC, games included.
As for those who use a computer for actual WORK, it would be nice to take risks once and a while, and boot into an unstable environment to get our gaming fix, without having to purchase 2 machines.
Virtual PC can go to hell!
I do believe that windows does have its place. Its place is under my TV... htpc is the only real use for a PC, games included.
As for those who use a computer for actual WORK, it would be nice to take risks once and a while, and boot into an unstable environment to get our gaming fix, without having to purchase 2 machines.
rog said:
So you're saying it's VPC in full screen? I guess it could be. But I have a feeling that it's real, and that instructions will come soon. And even if it's really complicated, someone will come up with an easier way. It's only a matter of time before you can pop in a WinXP DVD, and with a couple extra steps, do a native install.
bugfaceuk said:
You told us what?
That a user would get his Mac to run windows?
You're a bloody genius....
iMeowbot said:
exactly... there are many people, like myself, that are "forced" to run certain windows apps in business. Hell, If I can natively run crappy windows on my mac to get me by then I'm all for it! There really is no need to hate... it really is a good thing for many people.
DOUGHNUT said:
True... I own 3 macs and 4 PCs for business.... my PCs are still running windows 2000 and haven't crashed in 3 years... seriously
...even though this is true, I still hate my PCS & Windows for many other reasons.
prostuff1 said:And the saddest part is microsoft co-developed EFI with intel and now they wont be using it. Go figure
you would think that since EFI can be "backwards compatible" with Bios microsoft could just impliment something that could determine which would be better. EFI is clearly the future and microsoft just keeps removing stuff. By the time they get done with vista it will be a SP 3 upgrade with a new IE
It's not removed from the 64-bit versions of Vista, only the 32-bit versions. Everyone here is missing the point that the x64/EMT64 Vista will be the version with the majority of sales in its lifetime. MS has obviously seen that there isn't much more life in non-x64, and the chances of widespread EFI support on 32-bit hw are slim. Why burn test cycles on something that won't be implemented on 32-bit other than Apple?
Apple's the one who chose to put x86 into the Macs with the Cores, and go the 32-bit route here in this "transition" phase. The writing is on the wall that x86/EMT64 are the future, and once Apple gets some Intel 64-bit procs in their boxes this issue will be moot.
The question now is how stable is the guys compatibility module code..
Apple didn't "take out" the module.It was never there..EFI modules are written by different motherboard vendors and BIOS people like AMI/Phoenix for specific platforms..Apple didn't see a need for such a thing since it makes only Macs..
Since most Macs are going to be 64-bit within a year I can understand using EFI early on..
Apple didn't "take out" the module.It was never there..EFI modules are written by different motherboard vendors and BIOS people like AMI/Phoenix for specific platforms..Apple didn't see a need for such a thing since it makes only Macs..
Since most Macs are going to be 64-bit within a year I can understand using EFI early on..
Excellent, being a geek means I'll probaly have the know how to do it, and get on CS
You think an iMac 1.83 Core Duo can run CS:Source? I'm kindof excited for games...
As long as there isn't any hardware modification of any kind, I'm good to go
You think an iMac 1.83 Core Duo can run CS:Source? I'm kindof excited for games...
As long as there isn't any hardware modification of any kind, I'm good to go
Why dual boot when you can run a VM?
Dual botting is not the best way to run Windows aplications. It would be much netter if you could run them right on the Mac OS X desktop along side Macintosh aplications. Doing this requires some type of virtual PC environment or VM. Several of these exist already.
Yes, I can understand why running Windows on Mac hardware would be good but I don't see why booting Windows would be the best way.
Dual botting is not the best way to run Windows aplications. It would be much netter if you could run them right on the Mac OS X desktop along side Macintosh aplications. Doing this requires some type of virtual PC environment or VM. Several of these exist already.
Yes, I can understand why running Windows on Mac hardware would be good but I don't see why booting Windows would be the best way.
justflie said:
Windows would be stuck in it's own (FAT32/NTFS) partition. It wouldn't do anything nasty to your OS X partition (unless you deliberately tried to remove it).
Whatever it could do to it's own partition is not really any different / worse than running in a pseudo partition file in VPC.
MacsomJRR said:Why anyone would want to run windows on their mac is beyond me. I mean besides all of the tons of millions of extra software titles it's still just crappy ole windows.
Actually OLE has been known as ActiveX for some time now. Please update your post.
Nuc said:
You can control Windows from connecting to the internet anyway. Windows OneCare contains a two-way firewall, or you could install something like ZoneAlarm.
(And if you are really paranoid, download ZoneAlarm, burn it to CD, install Windows without the network connected, install ZoneAlarm and then connect to the network).
ChrisA said:
I think true virtualization is a dream [one we wont see for a while]. I think there is merrit in both the emulation solution [assuming that we could see Rosetta like performance impairement for Windows apps] and dual booting. I am not a gamer, but have friends that would buy a MacBook or iMac if they can play games on their Mac, tricking Windows users that they have an out if they dont like OSX [suckers, we know they'll never really go back]. I've tried qEMU and performance bites, can't even use Windows Update. I want true hardware support in OS X or if I have to, the ability to dual boot.
virus1 said:
No processor emulation would be needed with VPC - on Windows, VPC runs a virtual machine (just like VMWare, etc.). It still won't be full speed, as you have the overhead of a host OS, and fake graphics adapters, etc. but it's nothing like the slowdown of emulating an x86 chip on a PPC.