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Windows XP Booting on Intel Macs?

peharri said:
Might be easier to create a "fake" BIOS (you can hack the one that comes with BOCHS) and write something to store the Mac's partition settings in an MBR. It'd be more useful to be honest. And you might become $12,000 richer.
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This sounds exactly like the approach taken to develop bambios http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/misc/legacyboot/. They're already using modified bochs BIOS and VGA bios. If narf's approach doesn't work, this one shoul dpay off in more ways than one.

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LimeiBook86 said:
No matter what video trickery you try there will be some flaws.
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I think his point is, if you make the video low quality, shaky and poorly lit enough, the flaws won't be apparent.

You ask why anybody would waste their time producing such a fraud. Obviously, so people like us will waste our time talking about it.

But I agree with you, we'll know if it's genuine soon enough.
 
IJ Reilly said:
The jury is still out? Why are you so skeptical? :p
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Well, what a difference a day makes. :D From the waaaay, way back machine (yesterday): :)

IJ Reilly said:
Somebody please help me out here. Why is anyone getting excited about these bad Photoshop jobs? At least two of these photos are obvious fakes.
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IJ Reilly said:
What? Please, just look at them. I've explained why at least one of them is so clearly a fake. Don't ask me to explain why anybody would fabricate such an obvious hoax image when they could have done a better job. I'm more curious about why anyone would choose to overlook such glaringly obvious flaws.
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IJ Reilly said:
Hardly. In this thread and the other running on this topic, others have expressed similar doubts. Just so we're clear on what I'm talking about, I've cropped and enlarged the portion of the image I think strongly suggests a hoax. Look at the right side of the iMac, and match that line with the right edge of the blue screen. Now tell me how any photographic accident could produce such different angles. It's not a matter of blurriness. In fact, the edge of the screen image is surprisingly sharp compared to the fuzziness of the rest of the photo -- which btw I take as even more evidence that this photo is a crude fraud.
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IJ Reilly said:
That's your assumption, but it's incorrect. Poor evidence is poor evidence, and solid evidence is solid evidence. The video seems to be the latter. But I'm still wondering why this genius hasn't stepped forward to claim his prize money. Isn't anyone else also wondering?
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IJ Reilly said:
Look carefully at the photos, especially the one where the screen image overlaps the bezel on the right hand side. This appears to be a hoax, and a crude one at that.
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;)
 
skagen5555 said:
So are you also going to send out instructions on how you are actually going to install windows on a mac and subject it to a third party for testing like narf did? The video could well be fake... sure, but the instructions and solution submitted are at least 'real enough' to test.
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Sure, I could write up some instructions that don't do squat...

(For the record, I actually think narf is for real, my post was in response to those who talk about how it's just photoshopped. Come on, there are much more realistic ways to fake it than photoshopping a Windows screen on.)

LimeiBook66 said:
No matter what video trickery you try there will be some flaws. First off the video out on your PC isn't that good quality, I did this before to record a flash movie on my PC and it came out a bit pixelated with a black border. Second, the aspect ratio of the recording will not match that of your MacBook Pro, it'll look stretched and distorted. Why would you waste your time doing this though?
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Except I'll be using a crappy digital still camera's video mode (160x120) so nobody will be able to see how bad the image on the MacBook really is. As for the wrong aspect ratio? I'll just claim that I couldn't get the VGA driver to recognize the MacBook's true resolution correctly. Heck, there is already stuff saying that the ATI drivers don't work right, so my claim will seem plausible.

peharri said:
Might be easier to create a "fake" BIOS (you can hack the one that comes with BOCHS) and write something to store the Mac's partition settings in an MBR. It'd be more useful to be honest. And you might become $12,000 richer.
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For someone whose only programming experience is FORTRAN 77 a decade ago back in college, creating a fake video is a heck of a lot easier than faking a BIOS. (Which is what narf is acutally doing.)

Although if narf turns out to be real (as I hope and expect it will,) and is verified before I get my video out, I won't bother. Editing has been a bitch, and I've been too busy to practice my timing.
 
Don M. said:
Well, what a difference a day makes. :D From the waaaay, way back machine (yesterday)
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I'm prepared to change my mind when new information comes along. You got a problem with that? :p

BTW, you may have missed the context of that first quote. Somebody was asking me why I was so skeptical, then proceeded to express the opinion that the "jury is still out" -- which sounded a lot like skepticism to me.

Not that skepticism is a bad thing, especially when it come to evaluating the veracity of blurry photos posted on the net.
 
According the the contest's host, they have confirmed that it works on 17in iMacs and MBPs, they are tweaking it for 20in iMacs and Mac Minis. After those tweaks are done they'll release the process.
 
IJ Reilly said:
No way could either one of us prove definitively one way or another if the images were Photoshopped... but I will make this promise: If this person claims the Windows on Mactel prize, I will personally eat crow right here on MacRumors.
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I think you owe some bird-eating.
 
*dances*

I told you it was real...yay! Now I wonder how "safe" this process will be, I mean you'll have to load a bootloader, or a replacement firmware I'm guessing. We'll see how you have to "hack" it, but, to a lot of people it'll be well worth it. :)

Now we just need a working ATI driver...:D
 
Heres to hoping youll be able to install a Different opperating system on separate external HD's and then just by using a Bootloader at startup choose which one you want to load.
Oh the future is promising
i need some money to invest in apple!!!
 
rabatjoie said:
I know that right now, the possibility of booting windows on a mac would be an incentive for many to buy a mac. But imagine that (at some point in the future) it has become commonplace to boot windows on a mac easily. what incentive would software makers have to continue developing programs for the OS X platform? it would be much easier to tell the customer to boot windows if they want to use the software. (
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Until Macintosh users can buy "Windows XP for Macintosh" for $199 in a shop, the percentage of customers among the Windows on Macintosh users, and the percentage of customers among the users of Windows software on a Macintosh will be very very close to zero.

In other words, if you refuse to write software for MacOS X, there may be some people who use your software on Windows on a Mac, but nobody will actually buy it. Macintosh users think that you are f***ing them, so why shouldn't they f*** you?
 
LimeiBook86 said:
I told you it was real...yay! Now I wonder how "safe" this process will be, I mean you'll have to load a bootloader, or a replacement firmware I'm guessing. We'll see how you have to "hack" it, but, to a lot of people it'll be well worth it. :)

Now we just need a working ATI driver...:D
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You just get a new EFI file that you bless, which means the computer boots from it. You can just remove this file and rebless boot.efi and at anytime and it will be like you never installed Windows at all.
 
Curiously the whole windowsonmac.net server is down, couldn't even ping it. It's curious. Wonder if Apple threatened them or simply they exceeded bandwidth and their ISP suspended them.
 
this is kinda off subject but since we are talking about macs and xp, is their a way to exit the program with the red dot completley? or do you always have to go to file, quit...on xp, you just hit the X and the program closes...just wondering...thanks!
 
Photorun said:
Curiously the whole windowsonmac.net server is down, couldn't even ping it. It's curious. Wonder if Apple threatened them or simply they exceeded bandwidth and their ISP suspended them.
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The site is just onmac.net. xponmac.net is a different site, and windowsonmac.net, as you found, doesn't even exist. (The site used to officially be windowsxp.onmac.net, but just plain onmac.net appears to be preferred now.)
 
zack.williams said:
this is kinda off subject but since we are talking about macs and xp, is their a way to exit the program with the red dot completley? or do you always have to go to file, quit...on xp, you just hit the X and the program closes...just wondering...thanks!
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Command-Q will quit the app. Keyboard shortcuts are your friends ;)
 
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