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I hope it's as good as they say and I hope next year it works with the new iPad Air.

http://www.wired.com/2015/09/incredible-power-apple-inside-new-stylus/
These are all things I told myself when I first picked up the perfectly round, perfectly white device and began to scribble on a blank page in the Notes app, filling the 12.9-inch screen of the new iPad Pro. It’s just a stylus. It’s just a stylus. I wrote my name, because that’s what I always do when I first test a stylus (I am deeply unimaginative). I drew a person, and a little house, and switched to a different color and pen type and began shading with the tip’s broad side.

That’s when I noticed the difference between the Pencil and just a stylus: It felt great. Perfect. Better than any stylus I’ve ever used by a wide margin. Not because the thing itself is so terrific—I like holding FiftyThree’s Pencil better, and there are lots of good styli out there—but because it’s the first time I’ve ever written on a screen and actually felt like I was writing on the screen. There was almost zero latency, meaning the ink appeared to flow out of the Pencil and not trail half an inch behind. With the tiniest added pressure, the line became the tiniest bit thicker. I tapped on the No. 2 pencil mode, and it wrote and shaded just like all the pencils I used to sharpen with that wall-mounted thing you had to crank.
 
im still waiting to see Lisa Gade's review... and if you want to hear an honest review, you should wait too.
 
Common sense that anything is better than a capactive stylus. Wired is just repeating what everyone has been saying for the longest time.
 
Common sense that anything is better than a capactive stylus. Wired is just repeating what everyone has been saying for the longest time.
Where did the quote I posted mention capactive? Or are you assuming they just meant any of the current stylus that work with iPad?
 
So......

And let's be 100% clear about this now.
Are we all now saying a Stylus is a good thing to have?
As this viewpoint certainly has not been the case here for many years.

Anyone here, still holding onto their rock solid views of the past 5? years that a Stylus is bad and Apple should not have one on a tablet.
Or are all those many many people just now keeping quiet, or, now Apple HAS made one, are suddenly changing their mind on the subject?
 
So......

And let's be 100% clear about this now.
Are we all now saying a Stylus is a good thing to have?
As this viewpoint certainly has not been the case here for many years.

Anyone here, still holding onto their rock solid views of the past 5? years that a Stylus is bad and Apple should not have one on a tablet.
Or are all those many many people just now keeping quiet, or, now Apple HAS made one, are suddenly changing their mind on the subject?

I don't think there was ever a "rock solid" consensus that stylus was bad. In fact, I remember there being lots of posts, all the way back from the first iPad, bemoaning that Apple didn't make a stylus. I think many people argued that Apple will never make one, but thinking that Apple won't make one doesn't equal thinking that a stylus is a bad idea.
 
Oh, I'm not saying everyone on the forums was against a Stylus.
I myself have always promoted the idea.
I'm saying there were many posters here, who were rock solid against such a device, and poured scorn of other brands for using such a device with a tablet.
 
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The stylus has a place with the iPad market as several 3rd party manufacturers have shown. I have a couple of the Adonit products and they are great. In the scientific and engineering fields a stylus will make note taking so much easier. The artists clearly have a requirement.

The main thing is the stylus is a supplement for certain tasks but it is not the primary way to interact with the iPad. In other words you don't have to have a pencil to use the iPad, but if your uses include drawing, diagrams, mathematics, then the pencil is a great add on.

An additional bonus is being able to read on half of the screen and take notes in a different app on the other side of the screen. I open my MacBook Air and use it to display the information and use my iPad Air 2 to take notes.

I am excite about the iPad Pro and the stylus!
 
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I agree with this 100%

Fingers are great at tapping on icons or swiping the screen, but useless at anything fine or writing, drawing etc etc.

Likewise games without a controller are often useless also
pressing left right and fire buttons on a sheet of smooth glass is just a joke.
 
So......

And let's be 100% clear about this now.
Are we all now saying a Stylus is a good thing to have?
As this viewpoint certainly has not been the case here for many years.

Anyone here, still holding onto their rock solid views of the past 5? years that a Stylus is bad and Apple should not have one on a tablet.
Or are all those many many people just now keeping quiet, or, now Apple HAS made one, are suddenly changing their mind on the subject?

I think a stylus/ the Apple pencil is a good idea, sometimes to just want to write something down, or draw or even edit documents (as shown with Microsofts demo) and for those cases I think the Apple pencil will be great on the iPad Pro, I also think it will add to the experience of using certain apps and or the iPad Pro itself, with that huge screen it will be great to be able to draw on.
 
Common sense that anything is better than a capactive stylus. Wired is just repeating what everyone has been saying for the longest time.
How many stylus's are on the market with this type of engineering to reduce latency to near zero? NONE.

I've been watching the development of the stylus through patents for nearly three years now. This thing is a marvel, and with all Apple gen 1 products, this is only the beginning.

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...ore-light-on-their-ipen-graphics-program.html

There are some really terrific products coming down the pipeline if you pay attention to what apple updates in their patents. The next 5 years are going to be truly staggering, as if the last haven't already been.
 
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Btw, based on tweets I've seen from current and ex-Apple employees it sure sounds like both the Pencil and 3D Touch were stuff Apple has been working on for years (Jony Ive said as much in that Bloomnerg interview). It's entirely possible that Apple was prototyping some of this stuff when Steve was still around.

https://twitter.com/lindadong/with_replies

I think Steve's diss of the stylus was more about it being a requirement (like with resistive screens) than something optional for specific use cases. But Steve was also very good at dissing something Apple didn't have at the time even though it was being worked on within the company. Like video on the iPod or when he said nobody reads anymore as Apple was working on the iBooks store.
 
The stylus has a place with the iPad market as several 3rd party manufacturers have shown. I have a couple of the Adonit products and they are great. In the scientific and engineering fields a stylus will make note taking so much easier. The artists clearly have a requirement.

The main thing is the stylus is a supplement for certain tasks but it is not the primary way to interact with the iPad. In other words you don't have to have a pencil to use the iPad, but if your uses include drawing, diagrams, mathematics, then the pencil is a great add on.

An additional bonus is being able to read on half of the screen and take notes in a different app on the other side of the screen. I open my MacBook Air and use it to display the information and use my iPad Air 2 to take notes.

I am excite about the iPad Pro and the stylus!

Couldn't agree more. This is definitely what I've wanted with the iPad in regard to school and some creative work too.

Looking forward to using it.
 
Btw, based on tweets I've seen from current and ex-Apple employees it sure sounds like both the Pencil and 3D Touch were stuff Apple has been working on for years (Jony Ive said as much in that Bloomnerg interview). It's entirely possible that Apple was prototyping some of this stuff when Steve was still around.

https://twitter.com/lindadong/with_replies

I think Steve's diss of the stylus was more about it being a requirement (like with resistive screens) than something optional for specific use cases. But Steve was also very good at dissing something Apple didn't have at the time even though it was being worked on within the company. Like video on the iPod or when he said nobody reads anymore as Apple was working on the iBooks store.

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...ith-the-introduction-of-the-apple-pencil.html

Work on the Stylus began in 2006. If you rewatch Steve's comments on the stylus's of the day he has VERY specific reasons, the biggest being many smartphone's at the time were using a stylus as THE input device.
 
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How many stylus's are on the market with this type of engineering to reduce latency to near zero? NONE.

I've been watching the development of the stylus through patents for nearly three years now. This thing is a marvel, and with all Apple gen 1 products, this is only the beginning.

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...ore-light-on-their-ipen-graphics-program.html

There are some really terrific products coming down the pipeline if you pay attention to what apple updates in their patents. The next 5 years are going to be truly staggering, as if the last haven't already been.

Agreed - can you post some of the other patents you are looking at. Would love to see them.
 
So......

And let's be 100% clear about this now.
Are we all now saying a Stylus is a good thing to have?
As this viewpoint certainly has not been the case here for many years.

Anyone here, still holding onto their rock solid views of the past 5? years that a Stylus is bad and Apple should not have one on a tablet.
Or are all those many many people just now keeping quiet, or, now Apple HAS made one, are suddenly changing their mind on the subject?
Steve Jobs said a phone should not need one. That was many years ago now.
And Steve Jobs is dead. He does not run Apple any longer and his words, while they used to dictate the direction of Apple, are not Apple's constitution. Apple no longer need do what he said.

Steve didn't like small tablets. After his death, the iPad mini was released and went on to sell better than the full sized iPad.
Steve liked skeuomorphic user interfaces. After his death, Apple eliminated them all.
Steve didn't like styli. Apple is now free to create one if they want. And the early reports all say it's a good one.
 
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Agreed - can you post some of the other patents you are looking at. Would love to see them.
Honestly if you want to get lost in your head for a day, just swim through Patently Apple's collection.

Hint: There is a reason why so many gestures, swipes, and now 3D Touch have been rolled out at the same time that Apple keeps extending their exclusive rights to Liquid Metal ;)
 
Honestly if you want to get lost in your head for a day, just swim through Patently Apple's collection.

Hint: There is a reason why so many gestures, swipes, and now 3D Touch have been rolled out at the same time that Apple keeps extending their exclusive rights to Liquid Metal ;)


Hmm you thinking cases? New trackpads - this magic keyboard that's been rumoured?
 
Hmm you thinking cases? New trackpads - this magic keyboard that's been rumoured?

Well for one, Apple's move to wireless power is the most well thought out in an ecosystem I've ever seen.

But my hint was referring to the next major shell design of the iPhone.
 
Oh, I'm not saying everyone on the forums was against a Stylus.
I myself have always promoted the idea.
I'm saying there were many posters here, who were rock solid against such a device, and poured scorn of other brands for using such a device with a tablet.
Touch has always been better for OS navigation.
Stylus has always been better for artistic applications.
iPad Pro is the first touch-enabled Apple device with a true focus on art applications, so it's natural that it is the first one with a stylus. And of course it still has touch for OS navigation.
 
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If Apple had replaced touch with stylus, that would be going back. This is a supplement tool for supplemental uses. And as someone who's used wacoms since they required ADB and always for non artistic uses, more choice is a good thing.

Now if we can get the rest of the models updated!
 
I really want an iPad Pro.

My main problem Is coming up with a reason to own one, as I have no real use.

Games will be glorious I'm sure :)
 
Piggie, you have an Amiga 500....if you can justify having that piece of ancient tech wonder, surely you can justify an iPad Pro. ;)
 
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