With iOS 5 Beta 7, Apple is Right: iTunes Match is Not Streaming in iOS

[blizaine]

Delete

Ive been using this for a few hours now and I've managed to store about 1GB of songs on my iPhone (checked via settings/general/usage) by just playing some and skipping others. I've read that you should be able to delete songs but I don't see a way to do it.

What am I missing? After a month of listening to music my phone will be out of space and not have room for other things like new apps and stuff.

 

[SirHaakon]

Oh my God! I will have to manually delete the songs I don't listen to anymore! That's the end of the world for sure!

Not the end of the world, just completely nullifies the "convenience" factor that a streaming solution would have provided in the first place.

 

[179202]

Oh now u call me a pirate? Every other real streaming service lets u play ANY song from the catalogue without having to own it. Thats the point of streaming imo, play a random track u dont have whenever u want for a small monthly fee.

Ur basically paying for rdownloading songs u already own lol makes no sense to me, even if its just 2$ a month. I guess pirates will love the opportunity to download hq of their rips tho ...

Nope. You're paying for the ability to access every single song you own anywhere on the planet (with a data connection, of course). You also get the benefit of low upload times due to not having to upload every single track (that's what the 'Match' means in iTunes Match - they evidently feel that's a big enough feature that the service would be named after it).

That's the service. The service is not 'stream any song you want to your device, even if you don't own it (with a data connection)'. Besides, Spotify/Pandora etc etc don't have every song. I find so many tracks aren't there that I'm unwilling to pay for this services. My own iTunes library in a similar service though? Please, take my money.

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Ive been using this for a few hours now and I've managed to store about 1GB of songs on my iPhone (checked via settings/general/usage) by just playing some and skipping others. I've read that you should be able to delete songs but I don't see a way to do it.

What am I missing? After a month of listening to music my phone will be out of space and not have room for other things like new apps and stuff.

Swipe right to left on the song. A delete button should come up.

 

[Dcuellar]

Great, so you're spending all your time playing one song at a time and then deleting it...

Wow...with a capacity of 32gb, I would think I wouldn't have to play one at a time and delete it.

 

[bushido]

Wow...with a capacity of 32gb, I would think I wouldn't have to play one at a time and delete it.

Then it fails as a service tho. Ur doing it to save space on ur device, otherwise u could just sync all ur music to it in the first place. If u dont plan on deleting anything, then why not just wireless sync it while ur at home and safe u some traffic on ur data plan.

How is this going to work once u sync ur device anyway? Itll be a mess with all the songs trying to sync bk to ur computer unless u delete each one after listening to it, how annoying. I thought its supposed to benefit lazy people, if u need to delete all the songs one by one its not rly saving u any time lol

 

[JHankwitz]

That's a question that hasn't been answered yet.

I would imagine that since it's not a streaming service, the file would be stored locally so you would be able to keep the songs.

Everyone seems to want to make this way to complicated. The only real change is that your master iTunes catalog is now located on iCloud instead of on your computer, and you can choose what gets stored on your mobil device wirelessly instead of configuring in iTunes then plug & syncing with it on your computer. Syncing the files wirelessly instead of over your USB cord doesn't make it a streaming service. Your still just syncing your chosen selections for each device from your master catalog on your iCloud.

Why does everyone want to make it something it isn't intended to be?

 

[basesloaded190]

A little dissapointing. I was looking forward to the fact that I could have access to my music collection that is greater than 32GB any time. It would have been nice to stream my music without having to have space available on my phone (which there isn't).

Time will tell what will happen with this.

 

[paulsalter]

The only real change is that your master iTunes catalog is now located on iCloud instead of on your computer,

Is this optional ?

I assume you would lose the new features, but can you opt to keep iTunes catalogue on your Mac as it is now

 

[JHankwitz]

Ive been using this for a few hours now and I've managed to store about 1GB of songs on my iPhone (checked via settings/general/usage) by just playing some and skipping others. I've read that you should be able to delete songs but I don't see a way to do it.

What am I missing? After a month of listening to music my phone will be out of space and not have room for other things like new apps and stuff.

Do what you've always done in the past. Choose what material you want stored on your mobil device and sync with your master catalog on your iCloud. Only difference is that your catalog has been moved off of your computer and you access it wirelessly instead of over your USB cable.

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Is this optional ?

I assume you would lose the new features, but can you opt to keep iTunes catalogue on your Mac as it is now

I don't know if it's optional. All I know is what Steve described during his presentation several months ago.

 

[sulliweb]

Still Not Convinced

I don't know. I still think this is all showmanship by Apple. They are being so vague about something that they've already announced? They are saying the beta works as a download service...

It feels like they're holding something back. They want it to be a big deal when it comes out, so it's not likely that we're getting the whole picture. They've still got a few cards to play, I think.

In other words, regardless of what they say now, take a deep breath and relax. You don't give away all your secrets at a developer preview event or in the betas... I still think there will be a "Wi-Fi streaming" option like the auto download feature. If I'm wrong, oh well, but there's more here than meets the eye, regardless...

 

[shingi70]

Look like Google music is going with the better implementation. Don't get me wrong im buying match as even though the majority of my music is itunes I have a few mixtapes and Cds not found in itunes. Match is also going to make transferring my Library to a different computer quicker.

Google Music how ever gives me several options. I can pin cahced music to my device kinda of how match is download and cache, They also give me the ability to just straight up stream music with the ability to cache recently played tracks. I then can donate for Downloading or streaming to wi-fi only.

 

[Rootus]

The average user probably doesn't have a library big enough to be a space concern on a 32GB iPhone. Once again, Apple knows their core customer very well and they're catering directly to their needs. A few people loudly complain and take their business elsewhere, Apple continues to make huge money, and the niche providers hopefully make a living off serving a sliver of the market. Can't say that I blame Apple.

Personally I'd be pissed if it were streaming. Flash memory is much cheaper than recurring overage charges.

 

[scoobydoo99]

Sorry if this has already been answered.

If I have ~200 songs that match identifies and I download the high quality versions of them do I still have to pay the monthly fees in perpetuity to keep access to those songs.

It's not a monthly fee, it's an annual fee.

 

[marksman]

I don't think you get match. You could never redownload songs you didn't purchase from iTunes. That's what it is. Match is for all those songs you own that you DIDN'T get from iTunes. Most of my library is CD rips. Match will see all those songs, and let you download whichever ones you want at any time. They won't all fit on my iPhone, so it's nice to know that if I'm out of town or on the go I can basically change out the songs on my phone at any time. An option just to stream would be nice, but meh, what if I don't have 3g or wifi? It's nice that what I've been hearing is downloaded.

Yeah for people who travel a lot the iTunes Match service will be of a huge value for a negligible cost. People pay $10-$20 a day for wifi access when traveling at times, so $2 a month to be able to bring their music and swap it out no matter where they are is worthwhile to many people.

What cracks me up is because some people live a lifestyle that does not benefit from it that much that it makes the product or service worthless.

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And yet WP7 can do it!

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THIS! Love the new feature in WP7 where it listens to a song in the background, finds it in the cloud library and gives you the option to stream it or download it!

PS: I am pre-downranking my own post

Since Apple is the only one who has any kind of licensing agreement with the record labels on any of this stuff, I don't think any of that matters. They will all have to change their behavior soon, except for Apple.

As soon as Apple's service goes live, you can believe the record labels will hammer anyone else who is doing this stuff, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, and make them stop or pay for actual streaming rights for all music.

People forget Apple took their time and did it the right way and got the permission of those who own the content. Apple's agreement is going to be used to smash the rest of these companies in the face.

Especially when the Record Labels ask for even better terms from those other companies because they did not bother to talk to them first.

 

[scoobydoo99]

This is a total fallacy. Every time you listen to a song that isn't on your device (and presumably most of that music is not, or you'd already have it there to begin with) you have to "stream-download" the file. While that particular individual file is then placed on your device, you won't have storage for your entire library. That means that you must continually delete files on your device in order to listen to more content. Every time you play something that isn't already on your device, you're redownloading the entire song, using up the same bandwidth as simply streaming it would.

You seem to have missed the whole point of his post. iTunes Match saves on bandwidth because you don't consume bandwidth EVERY time you listen to the same song! It downloads to your device the first time you listen to it, then it is stored locally until you remove it. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

 

[Vegasman]

Yeah for people who travel a lot the iTunes Match service will be of a huge value for a negligible cost. People pay $10-$20 a day for wifi access when traveling at times, so $2 a month to be able to bring their music and swap it out no matter where they are is worthwhile to many people.

What cracks me up is because some people live a lifestyle that does not benefit from it that much that it makes the product or service worthless.

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Since Apple is the only one who has any kind of licensing agreement with the record labels on any of this stuff, I don't think any of that matters. They will all have to change their behavior soon, except for Apple.

As soon as Apple's service goes live, you can believe the record labels will hammer anyone else who is doing this stuff, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, and make them stop or pay for actual streaming rights for all music.

People forget Apple took their time and did it the right way and got the permission of those who own the content. Apple's agreement is going to be used to smash the rest of these companies in the face.

Especially when the Record Labels ask for even better terms from those other companies because they did not bother to talk to them first.

hahaha... get out of your bubble much?

 

[gdkid2010]

Looks like it still likes to stream on iTunes

 

[firewater101]

I can't believe people are complaining about this. "Instant listen and download" is better than "streaming", it means you won't need to use data to listen to that song again. If you run out of space then just delete some stuff you are not going to listen to immediately, problem solved.

 

[milo]

It cost $25 a year to play music I already bought and own. GTFO

People keep saying this. But when you buy an iPod isn't that paying money to play music you already bought and own? And it costs $100 more to go from 16 to 32 gigs on an iPhone - if this feature lets you get by with less space, if you have your iPhone less than four years it's actually saving you money.

Soooo they basically just could have said "now u can redownload all ur owned songs" just like u always could with apps.

That is what they said when they announced it.

I guess iTunes Match just sounds better?

Better than what? They call it "match" because it matches songs in your library that weren't bought from apple. That is a new feature, sounds like you don't understand it.

How weird, its basically for people that r to lazy to sync.

Nope, it's for people who don't have room for their entire music library.

With match u still have to go to itunes and buy it first ...

Again, that's wrong - the whole point of match is it matches songs you didn't buy with iTunes. Access to songs purchased from iTunes was added weeks ago, you have that feature right now.

 

[shurcooL]

The main distinction is that users may have to manually free up space over time.

Why point out only the negative side of this trade-off? How about the positive.

If you happen to play a song you've played before when you have no connection, you can do so (unlike streaming).

 

[Kaibelf]

I'm simply dumbfounded on why Apple just doesn't give the option to automatically delete the song after it's played, which would mimic streaming. What's the friggin' difference to Apple? It makes no sense unless it's a licensing issue, and even then it makes no sense.

Tony

Good luck maintaining deals with the record labels if they tried that.

 

[firewater101]

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how on earth does this help people on data caps? u still have to download the song O.O which makes just as much traffic as streaming it

Because you don't have to re-download songs you have already listened to, unlike a pure streaming service, this is not rocket science people.

 

[the8thark]

Despite Apple's Denial, iTunes Match is Streaming
https://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/30/despite-apples-denial-itunes-match-is-streaming/
So MacRumors said Apple lied.

With iOS 5 Beta 7, Apple is Right: iTunes Match is Not Streaming in iOS
https://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/0...s-right-itunes-match-is-not-streaming-in-ios/
So Apple did not lie like MacRumors said they did.

MacRumours feel like eating the humble pie? Or will their ego not allow them to.

If Apple publicly state something assume it's the truth. Apple are so secretive that the little they do tell us is bound to be the truth. And this time it is. Hope MacRumors learn from their mistake. I hope but I really doubt it.

MacRumors prove me wrong and actually learn from your mistake and make the website and it's rumours better for it.

 

[severe]

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Despite Apple's Denial, iTunes Match is Streaming
https://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/30/despite-apples-denial-itunes-match-is-streaming/
So MacRumors said Apple lied.

With iOS 5 Beta 7, Apple is Right: iTunes Match is Not Streaming in iOS
https://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/0...s-right-itunes-match-is-not-streaming-in-ios/
So Apple did not lie like MacRumors said they did.

MacRumours feel like eating the humble pie? Or will their ego not allow them to.

If Apple publicly state something assume it's the truth. Apple are so secretive that the little they do tell us is bound to be the truth. And this time it is. Hope MacRumors learn from their mistake. I hope but I really doubt it.

MacRumors prove me wrong and actually learn from your mistake and make the website and it's rumours better for it.

Are you kidding?

 

[edwurtle]

Am I the only one who thinks this is exactly how I want it to work. My girlfriend and I had to drive around a bit tonight so I tried out match on my iPhone playing through the car stereo. It worked really well and all the songs I played are there for me to listen to again without worrying about 3G or wi-fi coverage. It was kind of awesome having my entire home library at my finger tips while driving around.

I want the choice.. download/stream. The streamers out there won't prevent the downloaders like you from doing there thing.