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What exactly is pro about ports and a file manager? Exactly: nothing and we have plenty of examples of that since server based computing really took off (read: cloud computing).

It is all about how you manage your content and file managers are a thing of the past. Most of them lack things like tags, projects, version control, subscriptions, automatically update the content of a document, support database connections, projectmanagement support and so on.

File managers are really basic things that do nothing but offer files. There is no integration with other applications, services or any collaboration functionality. You know, all the stuff you need in a "pro" environment (the correct word would be "business" instead of "pro" but people seem to like to call it "pro" instead). There are many webbased solutions that do provide these things ranging from systems like ERP, CRM, projectmanagement (Trello and the likes) to something like Blackboard, Moodle and SharePoint. That's what teaming up with IBM is all about. Developing these kind of services that can be used on a myriad of devices including Apples tablets.

If anything, iOS needs to integrate with those services instead of having a file manager unless it is something like the notification centre: a central point where you can add all of these services.

However, the iPad Pro is called Pro because it aims at the professional artist, not at businesses in general. Artists need something like a big piece of paper, pencils, pens, crayons and so on. The iPad Pro is just that when combined with the Pencil. The only shame in that is that the Pencil is a separate purchase, it should have come with the iPad Pro imo.

Again, file managers are very very old fashioned. Most of the data in businesses are in applications which usually store them in databases. Businesses want reports and dashboarding thus requiring data to be stored in a database.

Not necessarily stored in a database - managed by a database works better for some data and some user groups. Sometimes (in some industries, often) you need to be able to send someone a file, not a link to a database. I hope I'm not misunderstanding you.
 
They call it a 'pro' and yet for some reason there are no ports or even a file manager. What exactly is 'pro' about the iPad Pro?

The apps will. The point of calling it a Pro is that it has the power to run more power intensive apps. If they never have a first gen with that moniker, though, nobody will make a lot of Pro level apps for it.
 
Not necessarily stored in a database - managed by a database works better for some data and some user groups. Sometimes (in some industries, often) you need to be able to send someone a file, not a link to a database. I hope I'm not misunderstanding you.
How you store the information says nothing about how you can sent or use the information. When using a database you want to store information separately and link to that. For example, if you have an invoice you wouldn't store the invoice itself. The data on the invoice will be retrieved from the order heading and the order lines which are already in the database. What is saved is information about the invoice itself so it can be recreated. If you want to sent the invoice to the customer you can have the system create a pdf and e-mail it. You could also have the system print it (real paper) and mail it.

Just because you store the information in a database doesn't mean you can't export it to a file or sent it via e-mail.

Another example is with systems like SharePoint. You can have a report run at a certain time and let it e-mail the results to people. You can have the results as an Excel file or as a link. When the recipient clicks the link they'll be taken to the website. This is a necessity in some cases where security matters or where you want to have the most actual information. Files are like pictures: it is a copy of a certain moment in time which may very well be outdated by the time you open it. There might also be a need (either by law or just because you don't want everybody to know) for security. When sharing files you can merely have encryption and in case of a pdf a bit more than that. You can't have fine-grained control over what the person gets to see and do.

You never ever need to be able to send someone a file. What you need to be able to do is share information and there are a lot of ways to do that. Some are more suited than others as explained above.

What we are actually talking about here is information/data and how to handle, store and share it. Files are only a means of doing that but so are websites, databases and so on. This can be a difficult concept to grasp, especially for those not familiair with information, IT, processes, data flows and so on. This is more on a functional level than how the technical implementation should be. Endusers don't care about the technical implementation at all. They want easy access to the information, easy way of interacting with it and an easy way of sharing it. Using the right tool for the right job instead of messing about is what sets a professional apart from an amateur.
 
"You never ever need to be able to send someone a file."
"Using the right tool for the right job instead of messing about is what sets a professional apart from an amateur."

It appears that my entire profession is full of amateurs. Oh well!

How you store the information says nothing about how you can sent or use the information. When using a database you want to store information separately and link to that. For example, if you have an invoice you wouldn't store the invoice itself. The data on the invoice will be retrieved from the order heading and the order lines which are already in the database. What is saved is information about the invoice itself so it can be recreated. If you want to sent the invoice to the customer you can have the system create a pdf and e-mail it. You could also have the system print it (real paper) and mail it.

Just because you store the information in a database doesn't mean you can't export it to a file or sent it via e-mail.

Another example is with systems like SharePoint. You can have a report run at a certain time and let it e-mail the results to people. You can have the results as an Excel file or as a link. When the recipient clicks the link they'll be taken to the website. This is a necessity in some cases where security matters or where you want to have the most actual information. Files are like pictures: it is a copy of a certain moment in time which may very well be outdated by the time you open it. There might also be a need (either by law or just because you don't want everybody to know) for security. When sharing files you can merely have encryption and in case of a pdf a bit more than that. You can't have fine-grained control over what the person gets to see and do.

You never ever need to be able to send someone a file. What you need to be able to do is share information and there are a lot of ways to do that. Some are more suited than others as explained above.

What we are actually talking about here is information/data and how to handle, store and share it. Files are only a means of doing that but so are websites, databases and so on. This can be a difficult concept to grasp, especially for those not familiair with information, IT, processes, data flows and so on. This is more on a functional level than how the technical implementation should be. Endusers don't care about the technical implementation at all. They want easy access to the information, easy way of interacting with it and an easy way of sharing it. Using the right tool for the right job instead of messing about is what sets a professional apart from an amateur.
 
A response like that is a very good example of someone who doesn't grasp the concept. It's not files you're messing with, it's information/data. Sometimes it is stored in a file, sometimes it is not ;)

Another example: an amateur would use files where a professional would use ERP software.
 
A response like that is a very good example of someone who doesn't grasp the concept. It's not files you're messing with, it's information/data. Sometimes it is stored in a file, sometimes it is not ;)

More ad hominem, mea culpa maxima. :rolleyes: I will endeavor to attain enlightenment. But you did say, in so many words, that we never needed to send someone a file. Last I checked, we were sending files to clients and service providers all the time, in large volumes, and there is no obvious, economical, readily available alternative. If you have one, you could make a fortune, literally.
 
A response like that is a very good example of someone who doesn't grasp the concept. It's not files you're messing with, it's information/data. Sometimes it is stored in a file, sometimes it is not ;)

Another example: an amateur would use files where a professional would use ERP software.
I doubt Apple does things Microsofts way. That is all. Except that Apple would store it in a better location.
 
......It's not a "real" computer. Apple would like us to think it is, but it isn't......

Why do you think Apple wants us to think of the iPad pro as a "real computer"? I'm pretty sure that's not the case.... I didn't get that impression at all during their marketing.
 
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Why do you think Apple wants us to think of the iPad pro as a "real computer"? I'm pretty sure that's not the case.... I didn't get that impression at all during their marketing.
Not even when Tim Cook said, "This is our clearest vision of the future of personal computing."? Not the iPhone, not the Apple Watch, not the Mac, but a gigantic iPad Pro. I'm still really having a hard time swallowing this.
 
More ad hominem, mea culpa maxima. :rolleyes: I will endeavor to attain enlightenment. But you did say, in so many words, that we never needed to send someone a file. Last I checked, we were sending files to clients and service providers all the time, in large volumes, and there is no obvious, economical, readily available alternative. If you have one, you could make a fortune, literally.
You are still not understanding the concept and what I'm saying. What you are doing there is sending information. You can do so in many formats: put it in an e-mail, tell them in person/on the phone, link to it, etc. In your example you've opted it to be a file (a pdf, Excel sheet, etc.). It is not about the format.

Nobody ever requests a file because if you sent them one they'll complain about the format (try sending someone a file without a file extension) and/or the information that is missing (sending an empty file or one with whatever content would fulfil the request of sending a file). What they want is the information and they want it in a certain format, say a pdf, a Word document or as an Excel sheet. If a customer wants the latest invoice then they'll request that. Some want it digital and usually they want it as a pdf e-mailed it to them but some still want plain old paper.

There are many many alternatives that are readily available. One of them is right in the front of your eyes. One that you used to post the above information. It's both the internet and both the forum software. We have e-mail, instant messaging, blogs, hyperlinks, online videos (used a lot for videos, howto's, etc.), wikis, Sharepoint, blackboard and so on. All different ways of dealing with information and sharing them with none of them using files as the main format to share the information. So no, you can't make a fortune with an alternative to files because there are too many. You can make a living out of it. If you want to make a fortune you should become an information analist or specialist. That would be the person who helps a company with their data flows including how to store and share information within and outside the company.

I doubt Apple does things Microsofts way. That is all. Except that Apple would store it in a better location.
It's not a Microsoft way, it is how IT is right now. "There's an app for that" is Apples very own slogan ;) Microsoft is only following now since Satya Nadella is CEO by turning a lot of things into server based (Office 365 is the best example one can think of; SharePoint, Exchange and Office as we endusers know it is all part of it). Apple has similar solutions but only tailored to endusers (Pages, Numbers, Keynote are part of iCloud but there is no OD in iCloud or any other part of OS X Server).

There are a lot of similarities but the main difference is that Apple sees every device as different whereas Microsoft thinks they can all be united with 1 OS.

Not even when Tim Cook said, "This is our clearest vision of the future of personal computing."? Not the iPhone, not the Apple Watch, not the Mac, but a gigantic iPad Pro. I'm still really having a hard time swallowing this.
A computer is not the same as computing or vice versa. When we talk about computing we mean desktops, notebooks, tablets, smartphones, smartwatches and whatever is to come. In some cases personal means "person"/"consumer" and in other cases it means "intimate". The latter would mean intimate devices like a smartphone, tablet and smartwatch whereas the former can mean any device you use for computing. Something like "personal computing" is not really technical terminology but more terminology from the marketing department. So yeah, nobody really knows what is meant by "personal computing". It is too vague.
 
In order for them to compete well with the windows tablet market, they need to let us install OSX on them.
Windows 10 was redesigned to be easier to use with a touch screen. While Apple has incorporated some elements from iOS into OS X so it may be easier to use on a touch screen now than it was when 10.6 was the current version but it would still be a mess on a tablet. I'd much rather see them stick to two separate operating systems.
 
Windows 10 was redesigned to be easier to use with a touch screen. While Apple has incorporated some elements from iOS into OS X so it may be easier to use on a touch screen now than it was when 10.6 was the current version but it would still be a mess on a tablet. I'd much rather see them stick to two separate operating systems.
In my use cases, I feel like the second you add a keyboard to an iOS device, the touch screen becomes a hinderance. Say for example that you're trying to edit a long Word document. A good deal of editing takes place on the touch screen, which now has a keyboard sitting in between you and it. Efficiency wise, that ends up being pretty sucky.

OS X does have some things in it (like the Launchpad screen and Mission Control) that make you think "Hmmm, if this Macbook had a touch screen........"
 
Dyn, honestly and with good will, there are a lot of people who not only want information but also truly only want it in a very specific format. Not only do they want a file, but they want a Word or Excel file, and some require that it be in a specific version of MS Office or later. Again, with good will, I think the disconnect is that you are quite a few years ahead of daily life - at least daily life in my biz here in the states. Perhaps things are better in the EU, where people have probably worked a lot harder to hone their information exchange skills. (Just to say it again, I mean that with all good will.)
 
Dyn, honestly and with good will, there are a lot of people who not only want information but also truly only want it in a very specific format. Not only do they want a file, but they want a Word or Excel file, and some require that it be in a specific version of MS Office or later. Again, with good will, I think the disconnect is that you are quite a few years ahead of daily life - at least daily life in my biz here in the states. Perhaps things are better in the EU, where people have probably worked a lot harder to hone their information exchange skills. (Just to say it again, I mean that with all good will.)
This. iOS as a main work machine just isn't how the world works right now. The tech press is falling all over itself about the iPad Pro right now, but we can't just all switch to tablets right now.
 
My wife, a university prof, and my older son, currently an MBA candidate, bought SP3s this summer and it's been interesting to see them develop a hybrid interaction model. For the most part, they interact with mouse and keyboard, but there is a smallish but significant number of things that they've started doing with the touchscreen. I think touchscreen on laptops are somewhat over-sold, but it's pretty clear to me that normal users will find some tasks easier/faster with the touchscreen. I think Apple is missing something with its very rigid segregation of touch input to mobile devices. I don't think they realize that the laptop IS a mobile device for many of us.


In my use cases, I feel like the second you add a keyboard to an iOS device, the touch screen becomes a hinderance. Say for example that you're trying to edit a long Word document. A good deal of editing takes place on the touch screen, which now has a keyboard sitting in between you and it. Efficiency wise, that ends up being pretty sucky.

OS X does have some things in it (like the Launchpad screen and Mission Control) that make you think "Hmmm, if this Macbook had a touch screen........"
 
Not even when Tim Cook said, "This is our clearest vision of the future of personal computing."? Not the iPhone, not the Apple Watch, not the Mac, but a gigantic iPad Pro. I'm still really having a hard time swallowing this.

Ok I missed him saying that. It's interesting that he said that - For me the iPad Pro would never replace my MacBook. Hmmmm....
 
In my use cases, I feel like the second you add a keyboard to an iOS device, the touch screen becomes a hinderance.
Only if it is a physical keyboard. The onscreen one keeps your hands right there on the touchscreen. It is much easier to go from touching to typing and back with the onscreen keyboard then with the physical one. That's because you have to physically reach farther which is more tiring and just annoying. Sadly we don't have the option to fully navigate and use iOS via a physical keyboard (yet).

Dyn, honestly and with good will, there are a lot of people who not only want information but also truly only want it in a very specific format.
Yes, that's what I typed.

Again, with good will, I think the disconnect is that you are quite a few years ahead of daily life - at least daily life in my biz here in the states. Perhaps things are better in the EU, where people have probably worked a lot harder to hone their information exchange skills. (Just to say it again, I mean that with all good will.)
Actually no. This is just basic knowledge for anybody who wants to work in IT as a developer, sysadmin, application admin, data analyst, etc. You don't work with files but with information, flows, business processes, etc. Things like the application, database, files, websites, print outs (both digital in the form of something like a pdf as well as real paper) and so on are merely tools to work with the information and share it. It has been that way since the 80s when we started to use these tools to turn our paper files and card decks into something digital and it is not limited to a certain part of the world either. Only difference is that information itself has become more important nowadays (you probably have heard of something called "big data", that would be an example of that).

Funny thing is, that all those alternatives to files usually come from US companies. Another funny thing: a lot of consumers as well as companies still want contracts, invoices and other important documents on real paper instead of anything digital. Usually because they can write/draw on it. Same applies to meeting minutes. Most people will still print them out (gives you an extra piece of paper for note taking!).
 
In my use cases, I feel like the second you add a keyboard to an iOS device, the touch screen becomes a hinderance. Say for example that you're trying to edit a long Word document. A good deal of editing takes place on the touch screen, which now has a keyboard sitting in between you and it. Efficiency wise, that ends up being pretty sucky.

OS X does have some things in it (like the Launchpad screen and Mission Control) that make you think "Hmmm, if this Macbook had a touch screen........"

Why can't people give up on OS X tablets? They're not happening. If anything, we're going to eventually have iOS laptops.
 
In my use cases, I feel like the second you add a keyboard to an iOS device, the touch screen becomes a hinderance. Say for example that you're trying to edit a long Word document. A good deal of editing takes place on the touch screen, which now has a keyboard sitting in between you and it. Efficiency wise, that ends up being pretty sucky.

OS X does have some things in it (like the Launchpad screen and Mission Control) that make you think "Hmmm, if this Macbook had a touch screen........"
yes, if it's used totally like iOS is right now i agree with you. If apple created a surface pro 3 equivalent, i wouldn't see how a touchscreen would hinder anything. you'd have the best of both worlds IMO. It's sort of how they are talking about iCloud Drive...it sounds cool like dropbox or google drive...but it is far from it. Heck they even went so far as to create an iCloud Drive app for iOS 9 and you STILL can't load anything into the app.
 
i thought you said it would hinder things if you add a keyboard to the mix? you can't fold away a keyboard on a laptop like you can on a surface pro. i'm confused?
I'm just saying if that's the way things HAVE to go, I'd choose that. A Macbook running iOS would most likely have the best of both worlds in one gadget.
 
FWIW, the very high end corporate finance sector I work with has completely abandoned paper for the transactions we work on, although for some documents the federal government requires paper record keeping for specified periods. In general, however, I think you're right about paper.

Only if it is a physical keyboard. The onscreen one keeps your hands right there on the touchscreen. It is much easier to go from touching to typing and back with the onscreen keyboard then with the physical one. That's because you have to physically reach farther which is more tiring and just annoying. Sadly we don't have the option to fully navigate and use iOS via a physical keyboard (yet).


Yes, that's what I typed.


Actually no. This is just basic knowledge for anybody who wants to work in IT as a developer, sysadmin, application admin, data analyst, etc. You don't work with files but with information, flows, business processes, etc. Things like the application, database, files, websites, print outs (both digital in the form of something like a pdf as well as real paper) and so on are merely tools to work with the information and share it. It has been that way since the 80s when we started to use these tools to turn our paper files and card decks into something digital and it is not limited to a certain part of the world either. Only difference is that information itself has become more important nowadays (you probably have heard of something called "big data", that would be an example of that).

Funny thing is, that all those alternatives to files usually come from US companies. Another funny thing: a lot of consumers as well as companies still want contracts, invoices and other important documents on real paper instead of anything digital. Usually because they can write/draw on it. Same applies to meeting minutes. Most people will still print them out (gives you an extra piece of paper for note taking!).
 
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