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With M2 Ultra Mac Pro, Apple Completes Apple Silicon Transition and No Longer Sells Intel-Based Macs
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It’s only a 4K display. It’s not unlimited Real estate like with native vision apps. Big, big difference.
All in all, when it comes to Mac Pro: I suspect it fills the niche it is supposed to fill. People who need internal expansion will be able to move to AS.
Mac Studio is on parity with Mac Pro for performance… I wasn’t expecting this, and frankly I welcome it. Really there isnt any good reason to artificially keep them separated performancewise… Apple can’t cannibalize Mac Pro sales really, they make the money either way…
Now, does the M2 Mac Pro fall short in performance? Reviews will show. Editors should be happy. I am curious if 3d rendering will be alot better then M1 Ultra.
Mac Studio is on parity with Mac Pro for performance… I wasn’t expecting this, and frankly I welcome it. Really there isnt any good reason to artificially keep them separated performancewise… Apple can’t cannibalize Mac Pro sales really, they make the money either way…
Now, does the M2 Mac Pro fall short in performance? Reviews will show. Editors should be happy. I am curious if 3d rendering will be alot better then M1 Ultra.
Has Apple announced they would discontinue Intel Mac Pros? The new Mac Pro is not quite in the same class as Intel-based Mac Pro (specifically in terms of GPU and RAM expansion).
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It goes through phases and always has. I had a different Macrumors account before this current one but ended my account and left the site for a while over tons of negativity. I created my current account (a while ago now) but have gone through periods of taking extended breaks due to "haters", few of whom offered anything constructive. The ignore feature helps a lot now.
I don't think it's that Apple failed so much it wasn't worth the cost for the market served.
There's nothing stopping Apple from enabling third party graphics cards support, it's a matter of not having ARM-native drivers. Intel Macs could switch between integrated graphics with shared system memory and discrete GPUs with dedicated VRAM with no issue.
Similarly there would be nothing stopping Apple from making updates to the bowels of the XNU kernel that macOS sits on to enable it to support expandable DRAM as a secondary memory pool after the unified memory base (a sort of step between super-fast unified memory and slower swap disk space).
The quad-die version of the M-series (4x M2 Maxes/2x M2 Ultras) was rumored to be in production but defect rates were high and the costs were more than Apple cared to shoulder for a niche product.
That's the one good thing about Apple being on Intel, the latter had more of an incentive to develop the Xeon line for workstation and server chips which Apple could simply throw into their newest Mac Pro. Apple doing it solo makes much less financial sense.
Years ago, sadly. It's the only way some people can feel good about themselves, sticking it to the man (Apple) feeling like they have a wee bit of power, that's otherwise lacking.
This is a very unfair assessment given the pandemic, multiple geopolitical conflicts, general fab industry shakeup, and single-supplier hurdles Apple has faced. This all could have gone way worse for them… I’m actually surprised at their resilience compared to other companies like intel, or other industries like automotive.
IMO this "Mac Pro" is really disappointing, but it was predictable...
No upgradeability, just expansion.
Apple could have done something with some kind of sockets or slots for room for more SOC's that would increase the ram, cpu & gpu numbers, or at the very lease an "Extreme" chip that combined 4 of the SOC's vs the Ultra's 2.
Right now its just a Mac Studio with internal expansion. Not really impressed.
No upgradeability, just expansion.
Apple could have done something with some kind of sockets or slots for room for more SOC's that would increase the ram, cpu & gpu numbers, or at the very lease an "Extreme" chip that combined 4 of the SOC's vs the Ultra's 2.
Right now its just a Mac Studio with internal expansion. Not really impressed.
You will be fine. My 2013 imac still does the majority of my work and it's still on Monterey. I'm going to upgrade it to Catalina so I could use more recent features of Adobe suite, and I'll finally lose access to my CS6. But wait, I have CS6 on a 2015 MacBook pro just in case. That one is not being updated anymore.
I might update to this latest OS, but it's no priority. I don't use any Apple services and widgets and little Safari updates just isn't anything that I need. With a leading feature being more elements of iOS, it just sounds like a bucket of nothing sauce.
Maybe this has been addressed upthread somewhere, but as far as why it "took so long" for the Apple silicon Mac Pro: the M2 Ultra chip just came out today. If Apple had put an M1 Ultra chip in the Mac Pro a year ago, people would be seriously pissed that the new M2 Ultra Mac Studio blows their year old M1 Ultra Mac Pro out of the water. Just imagine the gnashing of teeth that would have caused.
Now they have at least a couple years until the M3 Ultra upgrade cycle.
Now they have at least a couple years until the M3 Ultra upgrade cycle.
Who is this thing even for? Back in the day all is graphic designers had power macs but at these prices I can’t even fathom it and the power is such overkill. I’ll def be getting a Mac Studio after all
You nailed it. It's gotten negative, sarcastic, hate filled, and waaaay more conservative.
I think it's hilarious that everyone who has been asking Apple to fix their UI scaling in MacOS so 4K monitors look good are always told 4K is too low res because it's not retina resolution... and now suddenly 4K is high res enough for multiple virtual MacOS monitors. Lol.
What apps do you need to run? Windows 11 ARM is good for productivity apps. Gaming not so much. ARM is making investments in notebook class processors, and Microsoft seems committed to Windows ARM this time around.
1. i literally worked at Apple as a software engineer. have plenty of evidence to back this up if you want.
2. it doesn't take a hardware genius to see that what they did with Mac Studio shows it's obviously possible to have less of a footprint in terms of cooling architecture for the M2 Ultra in a tower case.
come again?
To be fair, they started the transition right when a huge supply chain causing pandemic hit. That screwed timelines everywhere. The main thing I miss with intel is bootcamp. I really really liked being able to boot into windows for those off apps I needed x86 windows for or to play games.
I don't mind the same enclosure. Honestly, the Mac Studio is more than enough for my professional needs. I was just hoping for an XDR 2.0 display update and lowering the price of the XDR 1.0 version. Bummer.
I'm curious how would be working on an Adobe Photoshop Mac version of the app using the googles. It seems interesting and I wonder how different.
192GB of unified memory. That's 192GB for graphics as an example...which before you only had 32GB for each MPX module?
Not sure the politics matters that much. Rush Limbaugh was a huge fan of Macs and Apple. But I agree that MacRumors forum participants are much more negative than before. Other rumor sites don’t have forums that are as active, though.
Yes, $3300 seems like a steep price to pay for PCIe 4 slots. Just save the money and buy a Vision Pro.
