witnessed something crazy with the charger

shawndc1

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today my brother and i went to the mall to buy a new lighting cable, we stop at a stand in the mall just for pricing and cases, when i asked the guy how much for his chargers he asked was i on 7.0 or 7.1, i thought that was strange being as though i just needed a charger, he explains that some chargers dont work on 7.1....i didnt believe him so my brother still has 7.0 he tried the charger in his phone and it worked, once placed in my phone it didnt work at all...has anyone experienced this? that is crazy..is this another way for apple to force people into buy their product?
 

T5BRICK

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that is crazy..is this another way for apple to force people into buy their product?
This probably has something to do with cheap 3rd party chargers catching on fire and killing people. I've read a few reports on it recently. It was a big enough deal that, for a time, Apple offered discounted Apple branded units to people who would trade in their 3rd party chargers.

http://www.apple.com/support/usbadapter-takeback/
 

shawndc1

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This probably has something to do with cheap 3rd party chargers catching on fire and killing people. I've read a few reports on it recently. It was a big enough deal that, for a time, Apple offered discounted Apple branded units to people who would trade in their 3rd party chargers.

http://www.apple.com/support/usbadapter-takeback/
thanks for the info...i wish i knew before october lol.. i think they need to lower prices on chargers and earpieces anyway...but hey, who the hell am i
 

BJMRamage

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Anything with the Made for iPhone/iPod/iPad certification should be fine...like actual Amazon ones, not the cheap stuff sold ON amazon.

There are chips in the lightning cables and things should be at par but with the cheap knock-offs they skimp on things.
 

cynics

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It's a combination of Apple wanting to collect $$$ and reliability/safety of 3rd party chargers.

3rd party manufacturers can pay Apple for the rights to make iPhone chargers and cables. Those should meet or exceed Apples standards and work fine.
 

dontwalkhand

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No worse than case manufacturers. $35-45
For a piece of .10 cent plastic. Not to mention screen protectors.
This has also been going on long before an iPhone was a thing. I remember the overpriced cases for my T-Mobile MDA...$40 for a pleather sleeve.
 

Applejuiced

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At the iPhone hacks section.
No worse than case manufacturers. $35-45
For a piece of .10 cent plastic. Not to mention screen protectors.
True that. But you can find cheaper cases and many screen protectors elsewhere.
But with cases, screen protectors and others 3rd party stuff Apple can't make them Useless with a software update. With these new wires they can.
I been buying 99 cent and other wires on eBay for years with no probs. They all charge and sync fine but now with every firmware update I can't use them any more. Gotta throw them away and purchase Apple "certified" ones and that kinda sucks.
 

shawndc1

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even on black friday youd think they'd atleast have a big sale on cases/chargers/protectors..
 

C DM

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True that. But you can find cheaper cases and many screen protectors elsewhere.
But with cases, screen protectors and others 3rd party stuff Apple can't make them Useless with a software update. With these new wires they can.
I been buying 99 cent and other wires on eBay for years with no probs. They all charge and sync fine but now with every firmware update I can't use them any more. Gotta throw them away and purchase Apple "certified" ones and that kinda sucks.
You can get one of these http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD820ZM/A/lightning-to-micro-usb-adapter and then use it pretty much with any (cheap) microUSB cable that is around pretty much anywhere.
 

Bacong

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Another way of forcing people to pay an arm and a leg for a USB wire that costs pennies and retails for $20:rolleyes:
No worse than case manufacturers. $35-45
For a piece of .10 cent plastic. Not to mention screen protectors.
Ah, the classic quip.

To produce this "10 cent plastic", you need to:

- pay Apple for the privilege of making an accessory for their device
- have a warehouse to manufacture the product
- have people working in the warehouse to manufacture the product
- have supply lines worked out so that you can purchase the materials to make your product
- design the product itself, which isn't just a process anybody can do
- test the product
- approve product, begin manufacture
- package product
- ship to store

If you're capable of doing all those things for free, I compel you to start selling cases for 10 cents, since everything else in the world costs exactly what the materials of the product itself cost.
 

mtneer

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Ah, the classic quip.

To produce this "10 cent plastic", you need to:

- pay Apple for the privilege of making an accessory for their device
- have a warehouse to manufacture the product
- have people working in the warehouse to manufacture the product
- have supply lines worked out so that you can purchase the materials to make your product
- design the product itself, which isn't just a process anybody can do
- test the product
- approve product, begin manufacture
- package product
- ship to store

If you're capable of doing all those things for free, I compel you to start selling cases for 10 cents, since everything else in the world costs exactly what the materials of the product itself cost.
And:
- put dinner on the table for yourself and family.
 

timeconsumer

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Ah, the classic quip.

To produce this "10 cent plastic", you need to:

- pay Apple for the privilege of making an accessory for their device
- have a warehouse to manufacture the product
- have people working in the warehouse to manufacture the product
- have supply lines worked out so that you can purchase the materials to make your product
- design the product itself, which isn't just a process anybody can do
- test the product
- approve product, begin manufacture
- package product
- ship to store

If you're capable of doing all those things for free, I compel you to start selling cases for 10 cents, since everything else in the world costs exactly what the materials of the product itself cost.
I don't think he/she was suggesting that it should cost 10 cents. Just that the markup on it is incredibly high.

Also, why does apple charge for the "privilege" of making an accessory for their device? Do you have a link for this?
 

Bacong

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I don't think he/she was suggesting that it should cost 10 cents. Just that the markup on it is incredibly high.

Also, why does apple charge for the "privilege" of making an accessory for their device? Do you have a link for this?
I explained why the "markup" is high. It takes R&D to make things. R&D costs money.

Privilege is another word for "license". Most commercial electronic companies require any 3rd party accessories made for their device to be licensed, assuring quality and compatibility.

3rd party controllers for gaming consoles, games themselves, cases for phones, iPhone specific headphones, etc etc etc all require a license from the company. Otherwise you cannot advertise that your product works with iPhone, or Playstation 4, or whatever the product may be. It's how business works. If I make a product that people are making accessories for, I want to assure that this product is up to par quality wise so that my customers are assured a good experience.

Also, nice username. I love Coheed.
 

timeconsumer

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I explained why the "markup" is high. It takes R&D to make things. R&D costs money.

Privilege is another word for "license". Most commercial electronic companies require any 3rd party accessories made for their device to be licensed, assuring quality and compatibility.

3rd party controllers for gaming consoles, games themselves, cases for phones, iPhone specific headphones, etc etc etc all require a license from the company. Otherwise you cannot advertise that your product works with iPhone, or Playstation 4, or whatever the product may be. It's how business works. If I make a product that people are making accessories for, I want to assure that this product is up to par quality wise so that my customers are assured a good experience.

Also, nice username. I love Coheed.
Ah fair enough, I wasn't aware of that. I mean I understand for cables but didn't know case manufacturers also had to do that. Thanks for the explanation. And yes, coheed is quite awesome.
 

Bacong

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licensing for cases is different from cables. Cables connect electronically, so those are different and more stringent. It's not technically a "license" for other accessories, all you have to do is mail a form to Apple to use the "Made for iPhone/iPad" logos.
 
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Mlrollin91

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No worse than case manufacturers. $35-45
For a piece of .10 cent plastic. Not to mention screen protectors.
I think of screen protectors like an insurance policy. You spend $15 for 2, so $7.50 each. If the screen get starched or chipped, thats $150-$269 to replace through Apple. So, $15 compared to $150, I much rather pay the $15. I'm sure thats how a lot of people feel about screen protectors in general.

Cases, not so much. Most of the plastic cases won't do anything, that is more for aesthetics instead of function. LifeProof and those types of cases are another story.
 

Applejuiced

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At the iPhone hacks section.
I don't think he/she was suggesting that it should cost 10 cents. Just that the markup on it is incredibly high.

Also, why does apple charge for the "privilege" of making an accessory for their device? Do you have a link for this?
Exactly.
I didnt say it costs 10 cents or they should sell it at that.
But $20?
Am I the only one that thinks this is way too expensive for a usb lightning wire?
But like mentioned its the Apple licensing fees that drive the price sky high.
Other manufacturers can sell their wires for $2-5 that's all.
 

ftaok

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Exactly.
I didnt say it costs 10 cents or they should sell it at that.
But $20?
Am I the only one that thinks this is way too expensive for a usb lightning wire?
But like mentioned its the Apple licensing fees that drive the price sky high.
Other manufacturers can sell their wires for $2-5 that's all.
First party accessories always cost more.

Hell, Samsung charges $20 for their micro-USB cable.

LINK

The difference is that if you want the Made For iPhone logo, you have to pay a little more.

You can get excellent quality 3rd party Lightning Cables for $10-$12 that are certified. It's not as good as $2, but it's better than $20.

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