Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features

[NME42]

I recently moved from Garmin to an AW Ultra and started using WOD (quite an amazing app, congrats!).
I am still trying to figure out if Stryd (that I have been using for quite some time) is more precise than the native tools (be it pedometer or health). Any idea about that?

I was using a Stryd with Garmin and AW and stopped using it.
Found my AW without Stryd more consistent compared to Stryd when it comes to distance as with Stryd I have to calibrate depending on which shoes I am wearing.

DC Rainmaker published a comparison of Apple native power vs. Stryd:

Apple Watch Running Power Data Comparison (vs Garmin/Stryd/Polar/COROS)

Two weeks ago Apple announced a slate of huge sports-focused updates to the Apple Watch platform (called Watch OS). …

www.dcrainmaker.com

Power is behaving more or less the same between the platforms.

 

[alzxjm]

I was using a Stryd with Garmin and AW and stopped using it.

At one point I was running with a Garmin watch, HRM-PRO, and Stryd footpod. I now just use my AWU. It's nice not having to keep track of so many things.

 

[Mauki]

How can I stop and cancel a workout without saving it in WOD and Health?
I mean discard?



And second question:

Why do the screens rearrange themselves every time I open WOD? Right now Hiking is on top, yesterday it was Cycling.

Can I influence this or fix it myself?

 

[Miggui]

I’m using Stryd with awu. I find the current pace very responsive and quite good but I think the distance is not optimum. Several times I ran with a friend which have a garmin watch and all the time my distance was less than him. I recently ran a 10kms competition and I had 9,85. Others runners on Strava had 10.
I don’t know why the distance is wrong…
Ideally, i d like conserve current pace with Stryd and distance with awu ( gps or health) but it is not possible I think …

 

[Miggui]

I was using a Stryd with Garmin and AW and stopped using it.
Found my AW without Stryd more consistent compared to Stryd when it comes to distance as with Stryd I have to calibrate depending on which shoes I am wearing.

DC Rainmaker published a comparison of Apple native power vs. Stryd:

Apple Watch Running Power Data Comparison (vs Garmin/Stryd/Polar/COROS)

Two weeks ago Apple announced a slate of huge sports-focused updates to the Apple Watch platform (called Watch OS). …

www.dcrainmaker.com

Power is behaving more or less the same between the platforms.

Hi, can you tell us your pace, distance etc … settings ? ( gps pedometer, health) and the smoothing you use ?
Thanks !

 

[cfc]

How can I stop and cancel a workout without saving it in WOD and Health?
I mean discard?



And second question:

Why do the screens rearrange themselves every time I open WOD? Right now Hiking is on top, yesterday it was Cycling.

Can I influence this or fix it myself?

There is a Discard Workout button at the bottom of the summary screen that is shown at the end of a workout. Tapping this (and confirming) will remove the workout from Apple's Health system and WOD.

Note that if you have something set up to automatically read workouts in Apple's Health system then that may process the workout before you discard it.

The activities are ordered by the time they were last used, so the most recently used activity is at the top. You can't change this but you can control which activities are shown in the main menu and which are in the Other Activities menu. To do this go to the Menus settings.

 

[NME42]

Hi, can you tell us your pace, distance etc … settings ? ( gps pedometer, health) and the smoothing you use ?
Thanks !

I am doing all of my runs now with the Apple app. Only when I want to run a specific course, I use WOD. There I use health as source.

Was using before that WOD with Stryd (when doing interval workouts), so values (pace, etc.) were coming from Stryd.

 

[nyco]

Ditto, re: Stryd. I don't use one and never have, but am curious about it.

Long ago when I was using Garmin Forerunners (which I did for about 15 years and then moved to Apple Watch in 2018), I had the Forerunner paired with a Garmin footpod and Garmin HR chest monitor to get various metrics. I'm still curious about footpods, especially Stryd.

I find it quite useful, especially their training programmes, but I think accuracy may change based on shoes and pace.

 

[nyco]

I was using a Stryd with Garmin and AW and stopped using it.
Found my AW without Stryd more consistent compared to Stryd when it comes to distance as with Stryd I have to calibrate depending on which shoes I am wearing.

DC Rainmaker published a comparison of Apple native power vs. Stryd:

Apple Watch Running Power Data Comparison (vs Garmin/Stryd/Polar/COROS)

Two weeks ago Apple announced a slate of huge sports-focused updates to the Apple Watch platform (called Watch OS). …

www.dcrainmaker.com

Power is behaving more or less the same between the platforms.

I saw his review and I agree, power tends to be fairly consistent between the AW and Stryd. I'd like to find out if pace and, more important for me, distance are also in line. I live in NYC and GPS struggles, so Stryd may be the answer. I will try to do some more tests.

 

[NME42]

I saw his review and I agree, power tends to be fairly consistent between the AW and Stryd. I'd like to find out if pace and, more important for me, distance are also in line. I live in NYC and GPS struggles, so Stryd may be the answer. I will try to do some more tests.

DCR made a video comparing the new watches with dual band GPS in NYC and they were all quite ok.

Apple Watch Ultra vs New York City: GPS Accuracy Test!

In the event you aren’...

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Friends of mine ran Frankfurt Marathon lately, also difficult GPS conditions. AW Ultra was spot on, other watches not so much.

 

[Mauki]

There is a Discard Workout button at the bottom of the summary screen that is shown at the end of a workout. Tapping this (and confirming) will remove the workout from Apple's Health system and WOD.

Note that if you have something set up to automatically read workouts in Apple's Health system then that may process the workout before you discard it.

Is there a change to discard before saving?

I share the run with different Apps, whom reading from Apple Health. It is much work to delete in every app this workout.

Please put this on your list, that a discard button is available before saving.

thanks

 

[cfc]

Is there a change to discard before saving?

I share the run with different Apps, whom reading from Apple Health. It is much work to delete in every app this workout.

Please put this on your list, that a discard button is available before saving.

thanks

This has been the case for over 4 years. For the first year or so the app would not save the workout until the user quit the summary screen. However people would often forget and watchOS would eventually kill the app off because it hadn't been used for a while and the workout would not be saved to Apple's health system.

I may make it like the optional "Are you sure?" message, where you can configure an optional "Save or Discard" message. But you are the first to ask for it so it will be low down my list. Sorry about that.

 

[Mauki]

This morning I ran for the first time with my new Apple Watch Ultra and therefore also the first run with WOD.

Shortly after start running I noticed that on screen 1 no current pace is displayed, but the average already. On screen 2 were also no pace values displayed.

Why is that so? Is this due to my settings?

The interesting thing is that I had not set them. It is also surprising that the autopause had not worked, you can see that this is not switched on.

However, I had configured WOD before the purchase of the Apple Watch Ultra extensively in painstaking work. Can it be that by pairing and update the watch to watch OS 9.1 the settings were changed?

 

[cfc]

This morning I ran for the first time with my new Apple Watch Ultra and therefore also the first run with WOD.

Shortly after start running I noticed that on screen 1 no current pace is displayed, but the average already. On screen 2 were also no pace values displayed.

Why is that so? Is this due to my settings?

The interesting thing is that I had not set them. It is also surprising that the autopause had not worked, you can see that this is not switched on.

However, I had configured WOD before the purchase of the Apple Watch Ultra extensively in painstaking work. Can it be that by pairing and update the watch to watch OS 9.1 the settings were changed?

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This morning I ran for the first time with my new Apple Watch Ultra and therefore also the first run with WOD.

Shortly after start running I noticed that on screen 1 no current pace is displayed, but the average already. On screen 2 were also no pace values displayed.

Why is that so? Is this due to my settings?

The interesting thing is that I had not set them. It is also surprising that the autopause had not worked, you can see that this is not switched on.

However, I had configured WOD before the purchase of the Apple Watch Ultra extensively in painstaking work. Can it be that by pairing and update the watch to watch OS 9.1 the settings were changed?
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Please check that you have given the app permission to use the pedometer on your new watch. To do this go to the Settings app on the iPhone and tap Privacy and then Motion & Fitness, then make sure Fitness Tracking is enabled and so is WorkOutDoors. Then go to the Watch app on the iPhone and select Privacy and ensure that Fitness Tracking is enabled there.

In theory iOS/watchOS should ask you to give that permission but sometimes it gets confused with all the other permissions that the app requires.

That should fix the missing pace for future workouts. I don't know if it also affects auto-pause but that is possible because Apple's algorithm probably uses the pedometer. See how it goes next time.

 

[Mauki]

@cfc
There is no WOD in Motion and Fitness.

 

[Mauki]

Can I use GPS instead of pedometer?

 

[76er]

@cfc
There is no WOD in Motion and Fitness.

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Wenn der Eintrag fehlt, dann sieht es schwer danach aus, als wäre die App nicht richtig installiert. Bei mir taucht WOD dort auf. Ansonsten hatte ich das gleiche Szenario wir du: erst die App installiert und "bespielt" und danach erst die Uhr gekauft. Ich hatte Glück und es wird alles synchronisiert und läuft sehr gut.

 

[cfc]

Can I use GPS instead of pedometer?

Health would be better. However Motion & Fitness also controls the barometer, step count etc, so it is worth getting it working.

I have seen that missing permission for someone a few weeks ago. I had never seen it before so there may be a very rare new bug in iOS 16 / watchOS 9.

We never worked out how to fix it. I recommended they reinstall the iPhone app, but that would lose all the data unless they backed it up to a computer with File Sharing first. Unfortunately they didn't have access to a computer to back it up so I never heard whether or not it worked.

So if you have access to a computer then you could try copying the data to the computer; then uninstalling and reinstalling the iPhone app; and then copying it back to the phone. it's a hassle but it would have the side benefit of making a backup of the data.

 

[Mauki]

I don‘t have a PC/Mac 😞

No other way to save the Settings? When the today run is lost, that is ok but the settings not.

 

[Mauki]

Wenn der Eintrag fehlt, dann sieht es schwer danach aus, als wäre die App nicht richtig installiert. Bei mir taucht WOD dort auf. Ansonsten hatte ich das gleiche Szenario wir du: erst die App installiert und "bespielt" und danach erst die Uhr gekauft. Ich hatte Glück und es wird alles synchronisiert und läuft sehr gut.

Ich hatte diesen Eintrage deaktiviert.

Ich dachte damit unterbindet man, das das iPhone Schritte usw zählt. Weil das möchte ich nicht.

 

[Mauki]

Why don´t you use the new "Low Power Mode"-Option, which is within the Workout-Menu in the Apple Watch App on your phone.
With this enabled, the watch goes into "Low Power Mode", when you start a Workout, no matter which app.

I have this enabled but I don't see when I start Workoutdoors that the Watch goes in Low Power mode? After I open WOD, I close it and goes to the settings from watchOS an activated Low Power Mode and then back to WOD.

 

[cfc]

I don‘t have a PC/Mac 😞

No other way to save the Settings? When the today run is lost, that is ok but the settings not.

Do you have iCloud? If so then you could backup the whole iPhone to iCloud and then restore from there. That may not fix the problem though.

You may want to try uninstalling just the watch app (not the iPhone app); rebooting both the watch and the iPhone; and then reinstalling. It is unlikely to make iOS 16 realise that the app needs Motion & Fitness, but you never know. Worth trying if the alternative is to lose the data.

Sorry for the hassle. Unfortunately this is an iOS16/watchOS 9 bug that I can't do much about. It's unlucky that both of you who have experienced it haven't had the ability to backup the data.

 

[Mauki]

Do you have iCloud? If so then you could backup the whole iPhone to iCloud and then restore from there. That may not fix the problem though.

Yes I have iCloud, but this is no option. It is to much work after reinstalling the Backup to get all data back on the iPhone. All Banking Apps needs new user date and much more.

You may want to try uninstalling just the watch app (not the iPhone app); rebooting both the watch and the iPhone; and then reinstalling. It is unlikely to make iOS 16 realise that the app needs Motion & Fitness, but you never know. Worth trying if the alternative is to lose the data.

I will try this


But why I must backup in a very complicated way to save my data?

For what are the options in the screenshot?

 

[Mauki]

Why didn’t GPS not work? I put all settings to gps and test but no current pace. Why do I need such weird settings like Pedometer or Health.

My Garmin Fenix 3 has only gps and can display the current pace why can not Apple?

 

[76er]

Did you allow the app to use GPS? (Ortungsdienste)