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I wish this disgusting company would hurry up and disappear. People really need to stop using Facebook instagram and WhatsApp.
 
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**Be positive about the meta verse and AR even when told simple things**

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With all the demand for tech professionals, I don't understand why anyone with any self respect would work for Facebook.
I have plenty of self respect and love working for Meta ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

1. It's a great company to work for. The benefits and pay are great, and everyone at the highest levels of the company truly care for us as employees.
2. The stuff we work on reaches BILLIONS of people (there are only a few companies that can say the same)
3. While you can think what you want about Facebook the product, Privacy and Security are taken very seriously here.

I'm on the WhatsApp team, and to the best of my knowledge, we make no money off of any of our non-business users, except when they make payments using our payment services. We are never encouraged to find ways to make money off of any of the users either. We don't store any data about our users that isn't required and because of that, there is no data to sell.

The attitude towards Facebook/Meta on these forums don't shock me at all, as the sentiment is the same towards even Apple on here (trolls). But it is (IMO) one of the best places to work for any tech professional, even those of us with self respect ;-)
 
I don’t like Facebook as a company … too many dodgy practices.

But I don’t understand the negative tone of the article. People don’t need to like their work to be competent and excel. Excellence is an attitude. This seams to be fairly standard.

1. Company is changing direction and steering employees in that.
2. Some employees will like the new direction. These are the lucky ones … good.
3. Some employees … its just work … stay and excell. Well not the best option but ok.
4. Some employees will find the new direction unbearable and move on. Good for them.

There is no disruption. Work as usual. Its happens every day. It‘s that simple.

Your point #3 assumes a lack of better options. There’s no reason to stay if there are other companies where you can also excel, while also having pride in the product, a greater sense of job security and commitment from your employer, and quite likely get a pay bump for the move.

And people need to have passion to truly excel— maybe it comes from liking the work, maybe it comes from liking the money the work provides, maybe it comes from a sense that excelling in this position is a stepping stone to the job you really want.
 
Fair enough, if it’s large company like Facebook.

I would imagine, though, that there are many companies that don’t care what your personal feelings are: “as long as you show up and do your job sufficiently, great.”
I prefer working for a place that allows me to show up and do. Because, look, to be blunt, the company I work for is never going to be my first priority, especially if they’re at leave to void the relationship at any time. Don’t ask for brain cycles on my time unless you’re paying me for it. And no, I probably won’t work a job where I’m on call at all times, for much the same reason I enjoy having the ability to disconnect from social media. I’ve got other stuff that’s more important to me than the stuff that’s important to you, and you’re not buying me, you’re just buying 40 or so hours of my time each week.

I’ve already been of the opinion that Silicon Valley firms are too demanding of their employees’ time and lives (all those fringe benefits like the cafeteria seem to be intended to make work your primary social network). May not be an insidious thing, maybe they want employees to feel connected. The trouble is that I like having boundaries between me and work, and I prefer a company that accommodates those boundaries.
 
A new VR game, Zenith, was just the #1 game on Steam's charts. And the overwhelming majority of people playing VR on Steam are using Meta's Quest product. Segway never, ever had anything remotely like that kind of mainstream success. Whatever VR/AR might end up being, Segway is a very poor comparison.


And it looks like one of the worst VR games there is.
 
You agree to a job in exchange for PAY and BENEFITS.

You did not agree to a job in order to sell your soul to that company.
While I agree with you, if you can't get excited about the work that you're doing, you're going to naturally underperform. Meta/Facebook is a performance based culture, and if you underperform, you're likely going to be heading out in a year or two anyway as your pay will drop significantly as your performance declines. If what you are there for is PAY and BENEFITS, you should probably go somewhere that you can get excited about the work that you're doing, as you will likely be paid better and be much happier/healthier working elsewhere.
 
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Facebook/Meta might end up like MySpace.

I think the only real difference is that Tom Anderson (MySpace Tom) was smart and sold his company to a sucker (News Corp) for over half a billion, and then did an even smarter thing…retired young and spent the rest of his life island hopping living the chill life.

Zuck won’t have it so good because he’s too stupid (read: greedy) to let go. I can just hear him now screaming “MR. ANDERSON!!!!” while Tom’s just sipping Mai Tai’s with that good looking lady that’s always in his instagram pics.
 
Who’s going to be the provider lol? I don’t see Apple providing that service to its consumers, haha 😛
Pretty sure the adult film industry (is it even really a film industry anymore?) will capitalize on it. They’ll probably start off with secret deals to license the tech or poach some of Facebooks employees. I believe that industry pays pretty well to just about everyone BUT their female performers (actresses).
 
I think the only real difference is that Tom Anderson (MySpace Tom) was smart and sold his company to a sucker (News Corp) for over half a billion, and then did an even smarter thing…retired young and spent the rest of his life island hopping living the chill life.

Zuck won’t have it so good because he’s too stupid (read: greedy) to let go. I can just hear him now screaming “MR. ANDERSON!!!!” while Tom’s just sipping Mai Tai’s with that good looking lady that’s always in his instagram pics.
I agree! He is a GENIUS. He’s living the best life.

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I don't know... maybe I'm too old but this all metaverse thing smells like Second Life, deja vu.
And it sucked back then, too! Second Life was a terrible experience for three reasons: 1) It was the worst form of free to play, most of your time spent as a free player would be doing stuff in game to earn meager amounts of Linden dollars. 2) It was like a sandbox game that makes it completely non-obvious what you can do or provides absolutely no structure. (2a] Very little of the things you could do were things you could do for free, and the real way to make money in Second Life was to pay real world money that you earned in a real world job - and those parts of Second Life weren’t especially fun - or to make stuff in Second Life and sell it for other players - they even had a scripting language for their items.) 3) All the furry fandom stuff (including the more sexual side of the fandom) was out there in the open (furry outfits were one of the default clothing options when I downloaded it), along with the other dodgy role playing that’s usually segregated to weird RP servers in MMOs.
 
I think the only real difference is that Tom Anderson (MySpace Tom) was smart and sold his company to a sucker (News Corp) for over half a billion, and then did an even smarter thing…retired young and spent the rest of his life island hopping living the chill life.

Zuck won’t have it so good because he’s too stupid (read: greedy) to let go. I can just hear him now screaming “MR. ANDERSON!!!!” while Tom’s just sipping Mai Tai’s with that good looking lady that’s always in his instagram pics.
Hmm, Tom Anderson's net worth: $60 Million
Zucks net worth: ~$100 BILLION
Zucks compensation: ~$24 Million/year

If financial success is your definition of stupid, I don't think that either are stupid at all.
 
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The attitude towards Facebook/Meta on these forums don't shock me at all, as the sentiment is the same towards even Apple on here (trolls). But it is (IMO) one of the best places to work for any tech professional, even those of us with self respect ;-)

I'm sure it's not a bad place to work, and I'm happy you're happy. But you're kidding yourself if you think the prevailing attitude towards Facebook is limited to MR or internet trolls.
 
I'm sure it's not a bad place to work, and I'm happy you're happy. But you're kidding yourself if you think the prevailing attitude towards Facebook is limited to MR or internet trolls.
I don't think that it's limited to here, but if it's seriously as bad as these forums would have you believe with every single article about Meta, why is MR still reporting anything about it and why are there billions of users that use the products every single day? It must be useful for something, right?
 
MacRumors: stop showing Mark Z! This is a Mac-centric website that shouldn't be feeding Zuckerberg's cult of personality.
 
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I'm still not clear on what amazing, useful (profitable) thing Facebook expects to do with "the metaverse". There's incredible potential for games, a vast multiverse of connected worlds with a common architecture. That's a cool idea.

But that doesn't seem to be the focus here, and I'm extremely skeptical that this will end up anywhere interesting. A metaverse concept is more or less completely orthogonal to other useful things you might do with AR or VR.
There’s no place for Silicon Valley capitalism to expand exponentially (the rate market theology demands) anymore, so companies have decided to create a new one to push everyone into and continue extracting wealth via an endless slew of micro transactions.

That’s the point, in its entirety. We might get a couple of “gee whiz” skins out of it though.
 
I'm still not clear on what amazing, useful (profitable) thing Facebook expects to do with "the metaverse". There's incredible potential for games, a vast multiverse of connected worlds with a common architecture. That's a cool idea.

But that doesn't seem to be the focus here, and I'm extremely skeptical that this will end up anywhere interesting. A metaverse concept is more or less completely orthogonal to other useful things you might do with AR or VR.
VR Chat comes to mind, maybe Meta will come up with their own knockoff for video chat or conferences in VR, since they already sell the Facebook Portal. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if all of these companies are only developing a platform for third-party devs, hoping that someone will come up with the 'killer app' that will make their hardware the de facto in AR/VR for them. Apple's App Store pretty much took care of itself, that's for sure
 
I'm still not clear on what amazing, useful (profitable) thing Facebook expects to do with "the metaverse". There's incredible potential for games, a vast multiverse of connected worlds with a common architecture. That's a cool idea.

But that doesn't seem to be the focus here, and I'm extremely skeptical that this will end up anywhere interesting. A metaverse concept is more or less completely orthogonal to other useful things you might do with AR or VR.
The metaverse will collect data on you and sell to advertisers, who in turn advertise to you in the metaverse.

That sounds profitable and what Facebook already does.
 
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