I wish this disgusting company would hurry up and disappear. People really need to stop using Facebook instagram and WhatsApp.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Workplace Disruption Reported at Meta Amid AR and VR Push, Some Staff Defecting to Competitors Like Apple
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I have plenty of self respect and love working for Meta ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1. It's a great company to work for. The benefits and pay are great, and everyone at the highest levels of the company truly care for us as employees.
2. The stuff we work on reaches BILLIONS of people (there are only a few companies that can say the same)
3. While you can think what you want about Facebook the product, Privacy and Security are taken very seriously here.
I'm on the WhatsApp team, and to the best of my knowledge, we make no money off of any of our non-business users, except when they make payments using our payment services. We are never encouraged to find ways to make money off of any of the users either. We don't store any data about our users that isn't required and because of that, there is no data to sell.
The attitude towards Facebook/Meta on these forums don't shock me at all, as the sentiment is the same towards even Apple on here (trolls). But it is (IMO) one of the best places to work for any tech professional, even those of us with self respect ;-)
Your point #3 assumes a lack of better options. There’s no reason to stay if there are other companies where you can also excel, while also having pride in the product, a greater sense of job security and commitment from your employer, and quite likely get a pay bump for the move.
And people need to have passion to truly excel— maybe it comes from liking the work, maybe it comes from liking the money the work provides, maybe it comes from a sense that excelling in this position is a stepping stone to the job you really want.
I don't know... maybe I'm too old but this all metaverse thing smells like Second Life, deja vu.
I prefer working for a place that allows me to show up and do. Because, look, to be blunt, the company I work for is never going to be my first priority, especially if they’re at leave to void the relationship at any time. Don’t ask for brain cycles on my time unless you’re paying me for it. And no, I probably won’t work a job where I’m on call at all times, for much the same reason I enjoy having the ability to disconnect from social media. I’ve got other stuff that’s more important to me than the stuff that’s important to you, and you’re not buying me, you’re just buying 40 or so hours of my time each week.
I’ve already been of the opinion that Silicon Valley firms are too demanding of their employees’ time and lives (all those fringe benefits like the cafeteria seem to be intended to make work your primary social network). May not be an insidious thing, maybe they want employees to feel connected. The trouble is that I like having boundaries between me and work, and I prefer a company that accommodates those boundaries.
A new VR game, Zenith, was just the #1 game on Steam's charts. And the overwhelming majority of people playing VR on Steam are using Meta's Quest product. Segway never, ever had anything remotely like that kind of mainstream success. Whatever VR/AR might end up being, Segway is a very poor comparison.
VR MMO Zenith Is Currently Steam's Top Selling Game
Long-anticipated VR MMO, Zenith: The Last City, is currently the top selling game on Steam. The US charts for the PC store place Ramen VR’s new game at the very top of the list. To be clear, this isn’t a VR-specific category, it’s for every game onuploadvr.com
And it looks like one of the worst VR games there is.
While I agree with you, if you can't get excited about the work that you're doing, you're going to naturally underperform. Meta/Facebook is a performance based culture, and if you underperform, you're likely going to be heading out in a year or two anyway as your pay will drop significantly as your performance declines. If what you are there for is PAY and BENEFITS, you should probably go somewhere that you can get excited about the work that you're doing, as you will likely be paid better and be much happier/healthier working elsewhere.
TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️
Suspended
Who’s going to be the provider lol? I don’t see Apple providing that service to its consumers, haha 😛
I think the only real difference is that Tom Anderson (MySpace Tom) was smart and sold his company to a sucker (News Corp) for over half a billion, and then did an even smarter thing…retired young and spent the rest of his life island hopping living the chill life.
Zuck won’t have it so good because he’s too stupid (read: greedy) to let go. I can just hear him now screaming “MR. ANDERSON!!!!” while Tom’s just sipping Mai Tai’s with that good looking lady that’s always in his instagram pics.
Pretty sure the adult film industry (is it even really a film industry anymore?) will capitalize on it. They’ll probably start off with secret deals to license the tech or poach some of Facebooks employees. I believe that industry pays pretty well to just about everyone BUT their female performers (actresses).
TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️
Suspended
And it sucked back then, too! Second Life was a terrible experience for three reasons: 1) It was the worst form of free to play, most of your time spent as a free player would be doing stuff in game to earn meager amounts of Linden dollars. 2) It was like a sandbox game that makes it completely non-obvious what you can do or provides absolutely no structure. (2a] Very little of the things you could do were things you could do for free, and the real way to make money in Second Life was to pay real world money that you earned in a real world job - and those parts of Second Life weren’t especially fun - or to make stuff in Second Life and sell it for other players - they even had a scripting language for their items.) 3) All the furry fandom stuff (including the more sexual side of the fandom) was out there in the open (furry outfits were one of the default clothing options when I downloaded it), along with the other dodgy role playing that’s usually segregated to weird RP servers in MMOs.
Hmm, Tom Anderson's net worth: $60 Million
Zucks net worth: ~$100 BILLION
Zucks compensation: ~$24 Million/year
If financial success is your definition of stupid, I don't think that either are stupid at all.
That’s oversimplified. No one would use Facebook if it wasn’t an attractive platform, so Facebook clearly has to treat its users as important. Facebook doesn’t make money with ads if there are no users.
I'm sure it's not a bad place to work, and I'm happy you're happy. But you're kidding yourself if you think the prevailing attitude towards Facebook is limited to MR or internet trolls.
Everything I've seen about "the meta verse" so far makes it look like a soulless hellscape designed to steal your personal data. There are far better ways to enjoy VR, and frankly if I can't be a fluffy grey cat in VR, no thanks.
I don't think that it's limited to here, but if it's seriously as bad as these forums would have you believe with every single article about Meta, why is MR still reporting anything about it and why are there billions of users that use the products every single day? It must be useful for something, right?
MacRumors: stop showing Mark Z! This is a Mac-centric website that shouldn't be feeding Zuckerberg's cult of personality.
There’s no place for Silicon Valley capitalism to expand exponentially (the rate market theology demands) anymore, so companies have decided to create a new one to push everyone into and continue extracting wealth via an endless slew of micro transactions.
That’s the point, in its entirety. We might get a couple of “gee whiz” skins out of it though.
VR Chat comes to mind, maybe Meta will come up with their own knockoff for video chat or conferences in VR, since they already sell the Facebook Portal. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if all of these companies are only developing a platform for third-party devs, hoping that someone will come up with the 'killer app' that will make their hardware the de facto in AR/VR for them. Apple's App Store pretty much took care of itself, that's for sure
Or "Samsung is said to have neglected the space due to a strategic decision to not waste resources on a geeky, nausea inducing niche technology."
Last edited:
The metaverse will collect data on you and sell to advertisers, who in turn advertise to you in the metaverse.
That sounds profitable and what Facebook already does.
That's ok, not sure anyone would want to work for a boss like you if that's what you take from this story.