World greatest hack!!!!

[mac15]

all you have to do is install macos9 on another partion
then open the VPC package and take out the classic vpc app
open it in resedit and yada yada
put it in your system folder and then reboot
you can alwyas change back to your default os by holding down the option key a startup and choosing it

you can play 3d games cause it uses the mac GPU....enjoy
it all depends on what computer you have....but you can get away with alot

 

[Zenith]

Uhm.. You don't trash all the extensions? That's what I did. Maybe it'll work now.

 

[Zenith]

Ok. I'm in VPC 5 now, as "Finder". I started up with all the usual extensions active, and I can see a speed boost, but not a graphics boost. VPC doesn't use the Mac's GPU...

Which extensions do you keep active to get VPC 5 to work, mac15?

 

[mac15]

run a game..then it will work
I have no idea what extentions you can move...ask ambitiouslemon he knows
but its a nice boost

 

[kettle]

Graphics Extentions?

What happens if you don't trash the Graphics card Extentions or open GL stuff?

 

[Zenith]

hm.. not sure if you all got this... The thing is that VPC emulates everything! All the hardware. And it can't just override the GPU so that Windows can use it in a normal way. If Connectix had made more versions of VPC apps with different support for, or other drivers for the GPU then the app could take advantage of the Mac's graphics card. It would be nice if they could develope drivers for GeForce cards and ATi cards and deliver specifically designed application packs for Macs with these respective cards. However, this would take a lot of time and work, I think.

If you, however, can use the Mac's GPU in VPC, I don't have a clue how it works. All I know for sure is that at the current stage it's impossible to enable hardware acceleration for games in VPC...

 

[Backtothemac]

Ok, I am raising this from the dead. How has it gone with the hack? Any benchmarks yet? Is it worth it for me to move everything off my iMac to attempt this hack? Just trying to find out?

Please post benchmarks. The one that zeinth talked about works well.

 

[Stike]

How does that work...

I tried the key combo SHIFT, COMMAND, OPTION + DELETE but the PMac 933 doesn´t change the boot drive! Any possibility to swtch the boot drive without using the OS´ Startvolume?

 

[Zenith]

hold down option at startup.

 

[kiwi_the_iwik]

Goddammit!!!

Wouldn't it just be better if Connectix did a "Quartz Extreme" trick, and sent the windows redraw and DirectX commands straight to the graphics chipset?

THEN we wouldn't have to p!ss around creating partitions on our drive to run a substandard OS, just so we can play games at 10fps!!!

AAAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!



Hey - that's 200 posts for me... ...yay!

 

[Zenith]

congrats

I know... Connectix should have made customized VPC programs specially designed to work with specific graphics cards. I think they would've boosted sales a lot when you could play CS in VPC... Or any other game that doesn't work on a Mac.

 

[Stike]

WOW!!!

I did it! It works flawless!

I´ve just installed Warcraft III (the PC version is on the Mac-Disc!) but guess what it does not go further than the splashscreen. But WOW it does everything else!

I am CURRENTLY typing on the emulated PC. Internet works great here too!

Now I have to try to install games that actually work...

Screenrefresh gets a GREAT boost, as does Mousemovement (never seen it so smooth on a PC) and scrolling in explorer is also nearly smooth!

 

[mac15]

you installed warcraft 3, w00t!!!, I have to try this.......It will go good on my faster computer to .....

ah cool, let you know about it

 

[kiwi_the_iwik]

I know I've mentioned this before, but do any of you remember about 6 months ago, when some software engineers developed a process to emulate DirectX on the Macintosh for use with existing Graphics card drivers? It was created to assist in the porting of games software from the PC to the Mac.

How hard would it be for Connectix to implement such a system into VPC? It would theoretically be quite easy - DirectX commands from DOS and Windows applications would be translated directly to where it's required - the graphics cards - unloading much of the workload from the CPU, and thus speeding up the emulator by a considerable amount (definitely to gaming standards - and therefore it would make Connectix VPC an essential application on virtually every Mac!).

 

[mac15]

I saw it, ah man I gotta get the link, they used it to port wipeout 2097

looks like its time for a google search

 

[kiwi_the_iwik]

Let me know what you find...

 

[mac15]

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/coderus/product.html

here it is, its called macDX

 

[iShater]

Now, wouldn't it be nice if someone tries this on one of the new machines and runs a quick benchmark?

 

[vniow]

Ok, this may be a stupid VPC question, but here goes:

What would happen if you tried to use a PC PCI card (like an Audigy or a decent TV tuner card) installed in a Powermac running VPC? (regular or hacked) Would the emulated Windows see it or would it just be blank, What would it do to the Powermac? Would it list it as unknown hardware or would it try to initialize it somehow? Forgive me if this has ben asked before, but I know practically nothing about how VPC works and I would desprately like to have one Powermac (when I can afford one) instead of one Mac and one PC.

thanx

 

[Chaszmyr]

Now it sounds cool and all... but lets thing for a minute. You are buying a mac (which costs more than a PC), still not running as fast as a PC, and you dont have all the optional hardware additions... Meanwhile you cant run OSX at the same time. Whats the point? lol

 

[iJon]

Originally posted by AlejandroGonzo
Yeah, everything this guy above me said. Can you play any game on it, no limitations? Counterstrike for example?

I don't know if any of you guys have ever noticed. I dont even think you can play games on vpc. someone may have already mentioned it but ill say it anyways because i havent read the whole thread. Right click on my computer and go to hardware. then go to device manager. take a look at the specs on the video card VPC sticks you with. thats right, a nice 4mb video card. and to my knowledge you cant change that. but i havent tried to play games on it, thats why my pc is for. it will be interesting if any one tries and posts there feedback on it.

iJon

 

[Lz0]

Why go to all that trouble just to run windows???

 

[Omad0n]

So after having read this whole thing I'm wondering, what differences have yo uguys notcied in games? Any? Some of you say that games are now playable, but VPC does say its only got a 4mb vid. card. So is anything with Direct X calls not playable? Any thoughts or sttements would be appreciated.

 

[coopdog]

ahhhh

I left all the extentions and it booted up. It booted up like 9.2 with the smiley computer and the mac os 9.2 window then the desktop apeared w/ VPC 3 running in a regular sized window and said that the c/ drive couldn't boot. Basicaly all i did was put the vpc app in the sys folder changed it in res edit called it finder, deleted the old finder, preffs, app support ect. and copied over the VPC pref file. DO i need to do any thing w/ the c drive? Put that in the sys folder too? Can you please help, thanks.

 

[coopdog]

Here's a screen shot of what it looks like. This is what win 95 said after it couldn't boot or find C/ drive. Is this what it is supost to look like when you boot? Read above.