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Hard to find doesn't mean cutting edge. TB1 and TB2 devices were hard to find. Firewire 400 and 800 devices were hard to find. ADB devices were hard to find.

And even if TB3 is cutting edge, only supporting it is a stupid move.

NOTHING in current mac products is cutting edge and hasn't been for years. Why would their obscure little port be the one exception?

You do realize TB3 is also USB 3 right? You aren't restricted to using TB3 only.

No matter how you twist it, TB3 is a modern port. Many posters have already stated this and now you're trying to save face.
 
Imagine Apple's ranking if it produced Macs that people wanted, and actually kept them updated.

That's a good theory.

But Apple used to make products that people wanted... and historically their market share was always tiny.

Macs won't have a massive increase in market share unless they sell massive amounts of machines. I think the most Macs ever sold in a quarter was 5.5 million units.

Yet someone like Dell can sell 9 million easily. And HP and Lenovo can top 12 million units each.

So yeah... I understand what you're trying to say... but I can't imagine Apple having an amazing surge in Mac sales. It's a tall task... even if they create the most perfect Macs ever.

You gotta remember what market share actually is... it's the percentage a company has compared to everyone else.

And everyone else is selling machines that include cheap volume PCs.

It's tough for Apple to gain market share among $500 PCs when you need at least $1,000 to get a Mac... (and $1,500 to get a good Mac...)
 
The non Touch Bar model downgraded the CPU from the MBP model to the MBA model, soldered the SSD to the logic board (meaning you can't even recover your data if the machine breaks without paying Apple to do it for you) and cranked up the price by $300 for the downgraded machine.

There is zero reason to buy it.
I said it exists, not that it's good or desirable.
 
Yes, this doesn’t fit the ‘Apple has abandoned the Mac’ narrative that has taken hold. Funny how a dose of reality clears things up.

I disagree, Apple has been undermining the Macintosh. How else to do explain a company worth 600+ Billion that spends Tens of Millions on R&D yet it has very little to show as far as new Macintosh hardware lineup is concerned both current and future? What this article shows is users(us) still have interest in the Mac.
 
Imagine Apple's ranking if it produced Macs that people wanted, and actually kept them updated.

I don't think Apple really cares.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/4/12/the-mac-is-turning-into-apples-achilles-heel

Some thoughts on the issue.

The product that helped save Apple from bankruptcy 20 years ago is now turning into a barrier that is preventing Apple from focusing on what comes next.

The Mac has become a major headache for Apple, and management is on the verge on going down the Mac rabbit hole, funneling an increasing amount of resources and attention into a product category that doesn't represent the future of personal computing. The risk is that Apple will be stuck with a $25B legacy business and corresponding user base that will threaten the company's increasingly ambitious product strategy.

The profit from Macs is chump change compared to the opportunity cost.
 
I disagree, Apple has been undermining the Macintosh. How else to do explain a company worth 600+ Billion that spends Tens of Millions on R&D yet it has very little to show as far as new Macintosh hardware lineup is concerned both current and future? What this article shows is users(us) still have interest in the Mac.

I don't think Apple really has a choice. Think about what Apple does and it's a lot for even a large company like Apple. With the iPhone accounting for the mass majority of their revenue, it makes sense that most of their resources is taken up by the iPhone.

I would love for Apple to update their Mac line more frequently, but the rate at which they're being updated is what we'll get for now. I think the biggest news is that the Mac Pro isn't dead. Mac Pro holdouts should somewhat be happy about that.
 
I didnt think I would see a decline in Asus. Asus is my favorite motherboard manufacturer. They also sell some pretty high end spec laptops for a good price. For what you would pay for a dell you can buy an asus with higher specs for cheaper money. That is my experience anyway. I can't say how good their quality is these days as I have been buying macs for the past 6 or 7 years so it's been awhile.
 
If I remember correctly the Mac Pro accounts for 1% of Apple's Mac users.
I'd be surprised if it were even that high. Few even know what it is.
[doublepost=1492053633][/doublepost]Why are people buying HPs? Seriously, just buy from Dell. I'm convinced now that HP can'd do anything right.
 
Apple is gonna be up in the U.S always and, and PC's in the other parts of the world more.. That's how i get this.

While more people would buy Mac's elsewhere to, U.S is still dominant.
 
"Vendors who do not have a strong presence in the business market will encounter major problems, and they will be forced to exit the PC market in the next five years. However, there will also be specialized niche players with purpose-built PCs, such as gaming PCs and ruggedized laptops."

This is where Apple's problem/opportunity lies.
 
I know it is difficult.
But try to discern haters (that would not return here) from fundamentally disappointed lovers (who have that last sparkle of hope)
Play nice to them (and your TouchBar...)

I really don't understand the disappointed love though, Apple always ditched old standards first of all manufacturers. And connectivity of touchMBP is as pro as it gets - its completely customizable and it has incredible throughput.
Not all pros have the same need.
 
Probably because people are starting to realize that prebuilt PCs are a terrible option. I haven't bought a prebuilt PC since 2008. And most Mac users have never built a PC in their lives so they just keep buying prebuilt Macs because that's the best way to get a Mac other than doing a hackintosh which has a lot of issues.

PC components sales have been healthy all this time though.
 
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Apple appears to be doing quite well with the level of sales it currently garners. Its the wealthiest public company on the planet by a considerable margin. If Apple was a nation, its GDP would rank ahead of Switzerland and just behind Turkey.
1st Quarter 2017 Top Ten publicly traded companies by Market Capitalization:
1) Apple: $753.7 billion
2) Alphabet: $573.5 billion
3) Microsoft: $508.9 billion
4) Amazon: $423 billion
5) Berkshire Hathaway: $410.8 billion
6) Exxon Mobile: $339.8 billion
7) Johnson & Johnson: $337.9 billion
8) Facebook: $334.5 billion
9) JP Morgan Chase: $313.7 billion
10) Wells Fargo: $278.5 billion
 
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These stats don't account for custom PC builds and hackintoshes which are higher than all the branded units combined.
 
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I really don't understand the disappointed love though, Apple always ditched old standards first of all manufacturers. And connectivity of touchMBP is as pro as it gets - its completely customizable and it has incredible throughput.
Not all pros have the same need.
We seem unable to explain that to Tim Dongle and Joni Bezel - so little use trying you.
 
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This is remarkable considering what a mess the Macbook is right now, the Mac Mini is slower than the previous one, and they have literally done nothing in years to the Mac Pro.

Congratulations. Seriously.

I just bought a MBP 2016 4 core but only because I had to for work. Otherwise I would have gotten a Lenovo P50 which is a MUCH better machine. I can get a P50 with 32GB and even 64GB of RAM. The MBP only supports 16GB. Its not a serious machine. Its a joke. Its beautiful and the touch bar is actually much better than I thought it would be. I'm impressed actually by the Touch Bar thing. Anyway.
 
Irritating sarcasm aside, Apple is what it's always been-- stuck in a perpetual single digit rut since the '80s. The top 2 (⬆) have more than double sales of Apple. And before you ,or anyone makes the "but they make low, medium & high-end stuff" boo-hooing, then I say: Then why doesn't Apple get off its butt & make even a medium-end computer??!!

Apple makes the choices they do like any other company. I think they have rose-coloured glasses & death-grip to elitist halo they choose to wear & crow about, as well as profits first.
The single-digit rut results more from being cost-prohibitive than feature and performance lags. The Mac line has an average selling price of $1200 compared to the $550 ASP of Windows laptops and $340 for Chromebooks. Steaks will always sell less than hamburgers. The average consumer doesn't care enough about fit and finish, or the aesthetic sheen of macOS, to justify paying the premium; they're too price sensitive to even consider a Dell XPS laptop.

I wouldn't argue that the current Mac lineup is a terrific value for the cost—that's a recent development over and above the usual "Apple Tax"—but the chronically low market share of macOS computers is due to their traditionally higher absolute cost.
 
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