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The only iPad I did not upgrade was from 3 to 4. I have found the iPad Air 2 to be a very worthwhile upgrade over the iPad Air. My MacBook Pro is getting long in the tooth and I will be replacing it in 2015. I want the rumored 12 inch retina machine, which means no 12 inch iPad or iPad Air 3 in 2015, but I will likely be looking to upgrade in 2016. My wife, on the other hand, still uses and loves her original iPad mini and has no intention of upgrading.
 
ZERO software innovation from Apple for 3-4 years, what does apple expect?

I have an iPad Air 2 and it is a beautiful and powerful piece of hardware but it has zero software functionality over an iPad 2, that's why sales will keep dropping

They'll "invent" split screen multitasking next year, and tell you how magical and revolutionary it is.
 
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So Continuity and Handoff mean nothing? Many more sharing options? iCloud Drive? Third party keyboards.

What do you want to be in iOS that makes it innovative, if the above stuff isn't?

IMO Apple has been freeing up the locked down iOS, and this is adding value to it. I am sure there is more to come

if you don't think there is a problem with opening a folder that's a 3x3 grid on a 10 inch screen, only because it's the EXACT same iOS as it is for phones, you're living a sad lie. The worst part is you're not even an Apple shareholder

iOS on the iPad is a blown up iPhone iOS, period. Seems like every reviewer sees this issue except you. I love my iPad, it's my favorite device that I own and I use it more then my iMac which as you can see in my sig is a beast. That doesn't mean the OS is weak and is carried by 3rd parties because Apple stopped giving a damn
 
When new versions of the older iPads came out, there were shortages and discounts were rare. I waited in line at Best Buy for an hour to get my iPad 2 on launch day.

Now, substantial discounting is common, even for the air 2, and there is no problem finding them.
 
mobile apps are garbage anyways. Still waiting for desktop quality softwares since the first ipad. They should just take a Shortcut and offer ipads withosx and intel skylake.
 
Tablets are simply not as useful for the huge majority of people as a laptop is.

And that is due to the lack of good input. You can work around, but it's no substitute for a touchpad and a keyboard, period.

The longer you use a tablet, the more you realize that it's a solution in search of a problem.

At first I thought that I'd lounge around the house with a tablet and not need a laptop, but even then, if you're instant messaging, or browsing, whatever.

You're always going to need to do input, and the moment you input anything more than twice, over the months, you'll realize that a laptop is simply the superior choice. It's not due to familiarity and a resistance to change. Laptops are just completely superior for the vast, vast majority of people.

Prediction: the watch will go the way of the iPad as well. Huge initial interest, relegated to a niche role after 4 years.

We need true innovations in battery life, screen technology/form factors, and sensors to make the next leap, and Apple ain't going to provide it. They'll probably buy the company that makes it and call it their own. Apple's a spit and polish type of company, and there's nothing wrong with that. Taking promising tech and mass producing it is not easy, but let's not kid ourselves--this is what they do.
 
The theory that people are holding onto their tablets longer sounds about right. My co-worker still uses his original iPad but he'll be upgrading to iPad Air 2 this year... that should last him another 4-5 years.
 
I don't think it's about the length of the product cycle nor the saturation of the market.

I can't see iOS being more productive then os x and the device is less convenient then an iPhone.

So why should I use my iPad? My iPad usage has been reduced to toilet usage. That's about it. Where else should I use it?

The experience with an iPad is just too limited.
 
This is only normal. Ongoing hyper growth isn't natural.

iPad grew faster than iPhone did. So it peaked faster. Plus it lasts longer than a phone in terms of its useful life. I thought I could replace iPad with 6+ but I still ended up going to my iPad when not coding.

I'd add that iPads are a US only device in terms of the tablet market. People in other countries just use a big phone and a laptop. In the US we prefer smaller phones with Tablets and Laptops.
 
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So Continuity and Handoff mean nothing? Many more sharing options? iCloud Drive? Third party keyboards.

What do you want to be in iOS that makes it innovative, if the above stuff isn't?

IMO Apple has been freeing up the locked down iOS, and this is adding value to it. I am sure there is more to come

I'm trying to imagine what kind of *****torm would break loose when Google added a feature similar to continuity.

To answer the question: continuity and handoff are ok, but the other things are not innovation. To put it in the vocabulary frequently used in this forum: apple copied Google.

It's not innovation, on a large scale it's playing catchup with android.
 
Maybe we need to start looking at them like PCs.

Perhaps Apple isn't going to make some massive innovation with tablets because they've already arrived. Just in the same way PCs have.

People don't buy a new PC every year and PCs don't massively change every year - all Apple and everybody else does with PCs every year is make them faster, lighter, thinner - the same as the iPad.
 
if you don't think there is a problem with opening a folder that's a 3x3 grid on a 10 inch screen, only because it's the EXACT same iOS as it is for phones, you're living a sad lie. The worst part is you're not even an Apple shareholder

iOS on the iPad is a blown up iPhone iOS, period. Seems like every reviewer sees this issue except you. I love my iPad, it's my favorite device that I own and I use it more then my iMac which as you can see in my sig is a beast. That doesn't mean the OS is weak and is carried by 3rd parties because Apple stopped giving a damn

I agree, the interface is pathetic on an ipad. It's still using the Ui of an 3.5 inch device basically. So much wasted space everywhere
 
apple has a focus on product quality, market decline is going to happen as cheaper tablets are made over time to fill even cheaper markets.

Tablets will drop to the levels of laptop sales over time as the segment isn't any more appealing. The growth of phablets has a small part to play in the decrease.

Profits 80-90% still go to apple and it's an area that no one can penetrate.

The convertible market is feable and will only improve by canabalysing makers own lines I don't see it improving.
 
I used to purchase a tablet and was all set to buy an ipad air 2, but due to the crappy build quality (screen and sound issues) I'll hold off on my purchase.
 
You haven't tried Android lately have you? It's getting pretty darned good.

The last few months, I wanted to buy either the newest iPad or an Android tablet. What stopped me is that the iPad isn't a full computer and neither are any of the Android tablets. All of them are too limiting on what you can do on them.

I wanted to get a MBA because of OSX and was close to buying one. I saw the Galaxy Note Pro 12 and almost decided to buy it.

Then I saw the Microsoft Surface pro 3 and knew that was the one. It's portable and has the detachable keyboard, 12 inch screen and I can install everything from iTunes, Office and has an SSD and brilliant display.

I haven't touched my iPad in two days since buying my Surface Pro.

If Apple comes out with the rumored iPad Pro and can do all the same things as a computer can, I'll take a look. Till then, I am done with iPads. I spent $900 on my 128GB iPad Retina Mini and for just $100 more, got a real computer with a backlit keyboard and I can install whatever I want on it.

No way, you are using your two day old gadget more than the one you've owned a while? Well I never!

The Surface Pro is a different class of device than the iPad. It's a computer replacement. The iPad is a computer supplement. A few people want or think they want an all in one, but the fact is it's always a big trade off over two dedicated devices. That may happen to work for you, but sales volumes clearly show it's not what the masses want. The Surface Pro is a terrible alternative for how I use my iPad, as an example.

Total iPad sales would be fine if the Mini had a competitive display.

The next impetus for 9.7" iPad owners to upgrade will be a move to a 3x display resolution.. I still suspect Apple will want to standardize the display resolution for the 9.7" and 12.9" iPads, so 3X 2304x3072 would be perfect. That puts density at 396ppi for the 9.7" and 298 ppi for 12.9" (315ppi for 12.2").

Probably two years for such high density 10+ inch IPS panels. They are just ramping up production for similar sizes and density this year so Apple-sized volumes are likely not possible or at least too expensive.

Meanwhile Samsung are slaughtering Apple in display quality. Their tablets suck in every other way, but the display is what we use the most and it attracts consumers the most. Apple COULD compete if they chose to invest more in LCD technology and production, but that would eat into their almighty profit margins so no way. "It's good enough" is the new motto at Apple - no longer do Apple users get advanced display tech.

The display has effectively zero to do with sales. All iPads already have displays that are better than 99% of the computers and laptops that people use every day. Eventually iPads will get higher resolution displays, but it makes no sense when the improvements mean a big hit to battery life.

You can have your Samsung display mounted in its cheap plastic frame with its oh-so-luxurious pleather backing. Are they still using those fake plastic stitching of the Tab Pro I bought last year?

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I used to purchase a tablet and was all set to buy an ipad air 2, but due to the crappy build quality (screen and sound issues) I'll hold off on my purchase.

Crappy build quality? What are you smoking? Have you picked up any of the alternatives lately? My screen is perfect - no bleed, no discoloring, no distortions. Yes, it vibrates, but it's the first iOS device ever that has a reasonably full and realistic (ie not totally tinny) sound which makes it more than worthwhile IMO.
 
how does this impact apples ios update cycle and how older devices handle newer os versions?

its obvious people are content with older ipads
 
Tablets are simply not as useful for the huge majority of people as a laptop is.

And that is due to the lack of good input. You can work around, but it's no substitute for a touchpad and a keyboard, period.

The longer you use a tablet, the more you realize that it's a solution in search of a problem.

At first I thought that I'd lounge around the house with a tablet and not need a laptop, but even then, if you're instant messaging, or browsing, whatever.

You're always going to need to do input, and the moment you input anything more than twice, over the months, you'll realize that a laptop is simply the superior choice. It's not due to familiarity and a resistance to change. Laptops are just completely superior for the vast, vast majority of people.

Prediction: the watch will go the way of the iPad as well. Huge initial interest, relegated to a niche role after 4 years.

We need true innovations in battery life, screen technology/form factors, and sensors to make the next leap, and Apple ain't going to provide it. They'll probably buy the company that makes it and call it their own. Apple's a spit and polish type of company, and there's nothing wrong with that. Taking promising tech and mass producing it is not easy, but let's not kid ourselves--this is what they do.

Battery life? The iPad Air 2 lasts 2 days with heavy use, more then that with moderate use and one day if you're watching movies all day on it. Nothing is wrong with the battery. The reason you see everyone with an iPad at a coffee shop, school campuses and airports... Is because 99% of what people want to do on a laptop, browse safari for Facebook/google/twitter, can be done on an iPad.
 
No way, you are using your two day old gadget more than the one you've owned a while? Well I never!

The Surface Pro is a different class of device than the iPad. It's a computer replacement. The iPad is a computer supplement. A few people want or think they want an all in one, but the fact is it's always a big trade off over two dedicated devices. That may happen to work for you, but sales volumes clearly show it's not what the masses want. The Surface Pro is a terrible alternative for how I use my iPad, as an example.
I know it's supposed to be an alternative to a laptop such as the MacBook Air but since my only laptop was an old 2008 black MacBook, I was looking for an alternative to my iPad or an Android tablet. I had been looking at the Galaxy Note Pro and the Surface Pro 3. The SP3 will likely never really leave the house because I really don't have a need for a computer outside of the house unless I go on vacation somewhere so again, for me, this was really an iPad replacement. I have a two month old I7 Mac Mini sitting here less than two feet from me and I could just as easy use that.
 
I went from the iPad 3 to the iPad Air 2 and it was worth it. Speed, size, weight and memory, it's everything I ever wanted.
 
When a 2011 iPad 2 still works great in 2014, this is to be expected.

Also when people like me who love the size of an iPad mini... which has yet to be updated to something "faster, thinner, better".. why would I spend more money for nothing? I have the 1st gen and I love it. I was going to replace it with a new one... but there were no pros to that purchase.
 
Most of my family have iPads now, for some it has meant their laptop now gathers dust, for others its meant its just used less. But one thing i am VERY happy about is my weekends are no longer spent round family removing malware off the Windows laptops. 2 of them are using iPad 2's and still run great today, so they are not going to run out and get a new one. Actually really good of Apple to have the iPad 2 go through so many updates. Its had iOS 4,5,6,7 & 8. Yes 8 seems to be pushing the device to its limit, but cannot really say they have planned obsolesce in the iPads.

At work we have now dropped Windows Netbooks and swapped to iPads so just bought 150 iPad Mini's. The first gen, at £159 with discounts and without VAT we just could not refuse at that price. We can run Word, Excel & Powerpoint with our Office 365 agreement, browse the web and a few other apps which is all we ever wanted from the netbooks.

Personally my iPad is used to mainly stream media to my Apple TV, text now SMS Relay has come, play games, or to take away when travelling. But the Mac is still my main device, and the iPad is there to compliment it, not replace it.

I think the consumer market may be getting close to saturation, but its smart of Apple to aim it at the enterprise market now, which should keep the sales coming in until the early iPad model users decide to start the cycle of upgrading.
 
iPad sales are not declining, its just people don't plan to upgrade as often as phones. I bought iPad Air keeping in mind that its going to be atleast 5 year thing.
I bought iPhone keeping 2 year cycle in mind, though am about to complete 3 years on iPhone 4S and planning to upgrade.
 
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