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The paradigm of locked phones is just something I can never understand in my lifetime... Yes the 3G frequencies are incompatible but what about travelers? or when the pentaband phone comes out that support both AWS and AT&T 3G??

The paradigm exists because no one wants to pay $600 for a phone.

As for travelers.. well its not like this situation is new or anything. Lots of stuff made in one country doesnt work in others. Not sure why cellphones should be the exception. *shrug*
 
The paradigm exists because no one wants to pay $600 for a phone.

As for travelers.. well its not like this situation is new or anything. Lots of stuff made in one country doesnt work in others. Not sure why cellphones should be the exception. *shrug*

Right but you do realized that there are countries where you can purchase the phone with carriers at a subsidized price and yet still unlocked? :eek: I;m quite sure those cellular lobbyists won't let this happen heh ;) They have build this whole system where all phones are locked since the beginning of time and I am very sure they won't let this business model go just like that....

Yes lots of stuff made in one country doesn't work in others but the good news is that your phone actually supports the band... it's the silly lock code that's preventing you from using it outside their network.

If they insisted on selling the phones locked, I think it's fair to say that there should be an option to purchase it unlocked at full price :eek:

Apple is doing it everywhere else (Canada, Mexico, Europe, Asia)... if you want the phone unlocked, shell out $700 and get your fully unlocked one from them but if you want to save some $$ upfront, you can go to your carriers and get them locked and with contract.

Choice is great :eek:

Anyway I can go all day long about this but I don't want to derail from the real topic... I shall stop :cool:
 
You should have let AT&T handle the porting of the numbers.
Verizon customer service sucks and since you're leaving them they tried to make it harder or more expensive for you.

This. Verizon may be more reliable and have a larger and more stable network but their customer support is horrible.
 
This. Verizon may be more reliable and have a larger and more stable network but their customer support is horrible.

I've experienced some really good CS service from Sprint and T-Mobile... Subpar with AT&T.

Seems like the two smallest telco here are pretty good CS-wise...
 
The paradigm of locked phones is just something I can never understand in my lifetime... Yes the 3G frequencies are incompatible but what about travelers? or when the pentaband phone comes out that support both AWS and AT&T 3G??
Most people in America don't travel enough for that to be a real pain.

But that's just my rant... I am a firm believer of phone carriers need to be more like a dumb pipe and compete on their service quality instead of what phones can they offer. I mean I would be damned if National Grid (my utility company) forced me to use a certain brand of fridge/stovetop.
Well here in America we buy our Phones first then our Carriers and that's the way we like it ;)
 
So what if a CDMA phone has no sim? Phones are locked to the carrier so sims are not needed. Even US GSM phones sims are pointless since even if they were unlocked tmo and att operate on different 3G frequencies.


I like Sim cards. I though it was crap apple switch over to the micro Sim that no other phone uses and I honestly think that has more to with locking you into apple than anything else. Apple made it more difficult for you to just switch to another phone but that is another rant.

As for sim card on lock phones I personally find it easier to just switch between phones on the carrier or taking a family members old phone. Hell I used my sim card to go to a back up phone when one got water damaged.

On the CDMA you have to a bit more work to change phones.

Now in the US the CDMA carriers choose the techology that lasted them longer before it had to be replaced to LTE. They also had an advatage in going 3g in the US because their towers were already placed and optimised for a CDMA type of signal.

AT&T suffered in going 3G in the fact that its towers were set up for Edges TDMA type of signal and not set up for 3G W-CDMA which needs to be set up a lot like Verizon (CDMA carrier) tower tower set up.

But that is a lot more of the geeky stuff and understanding it in TDMA and CDMA type of signals and not GSM vs CDMA carriers. The 3G on both GSM/CDMA carriers is a type of CDMA signal and the tower placement and range optimizations are about the same.

Edge I believe has a longer range and I know different optimizations so the tower set up is different.
 
Well here in America we buy our Phones first then our Carriers and that's the way we like it ;)

See that is the mistake to many people make.

Any one who chooses Phone first then carrier losses all right to complain about said carrier. The correct way to go is choose your carrier then choose a phone one that carrier.

Choose the carrier that works best for you in your area. For some people that is Verizon. Others it is AT&T. My personal choice is AT&T. It is what works best for me.
 
Choose the carrier that works best for you in your area. For some people that is Verizon. Others it is AT&T. My personal choice is AT&T. It is what works best for me.

But see your total experience is gonna depend on BOTH the carrier and phone you are connecting to the network with.

Does Verizon give me better service then AT&T? Yes. But is that difference so great it would justify downgrading to an Android Phone? No.


Plus I get a FAN discount with AT&T so it's noticeably cheaper.
 
Most people in America don't travel enough for that to be a real pain.


Well here in America we buy our Phones first then our Carriers and that's the way we like it ;)

That's the point of unlocked phones, no? You can buy any phones and you can stick any SIM card in....
 
That's the point of unlocked phones, no? You can buy any phones and you can stick any SIM card in....

Except Verizon's current cell phone service doesn't use SIM cards. And even if they did, the technology wouldn't be compatible.
 
That's the point of unlocked phones, no? You can buy any phones and you can stick any SIM card in....

But no phone supports all US GSM 3G frequencies, so its pretty pointless to pay full price only to have it gimped when you try to use it on a different carrier.
 
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Rule numero uno of porting: When porting, never contact your current carrier and inform them of your plans to port, or tell them you wish to cancel, or anything. Go to the new carrier, they will initiate the port, which cancels your account at the old carrier automatically, and if you owe any ETFs or other charges, they'll send you a bill for them.

Exactly, the best way to handle a port is by going to the carrier that you want to switch to, and let them take care of the porting process. I've never had any problems switching my number from Verizon to AT&T in the past.
 
Rule numero uno of porting: When porting, never contact your current carrier and inform them of your plans to port, or tell them you wish to cancel, or anything. Go to the new carrier, they will initiate the port, which cancels your account at the old carrier automatically, and if you owe any ETFs or other charges, they'll send you a bill for them.
^This. But really, if you're saying verizon is bad because they charged you an ETF then that's ignorant. You got charged that because you terminated early, not because you decided to leave. Take some responsibility for your actions. They cannot just charge you this fee because they want to be douches. For the record, AT&T is equally crappy when you want to leave them.
 
If Verizon was the last cell phone company in the US I'd rather use a tin can and string. I seriously wouldn't have a cell phone. I hate them. That. Much.

I think it's silly when people spew comments like this because 95% of the time all the other carriers have the same "horrible" qualities.

People, all carriers are in the red. No carrier makes profit except maybe some will start to very soon like Verizon. The policies they have that are annoying are necessary. It's hard covering the face of Americas borders with reception. Very expensive there Johnny.

All carriers have pros and cons:

Verizon: pros, most expanded technology most likely to work in rural areas but it's not necessarily a better technology. Just came out earlier and has been spreading longer. They have a strong business model and reputation.

Cons: They are not GSM, not global. The most expensive service in value to money ratio. They suffer from inconsistent customer service like every other carrier with large call centers filled with low wage employees.

Sprint: has a boldness for date and data plans. In theory have the coverage of Verizon but with more unique data plans and data services.

Cons: the most inconsistent and stupid customer service especially when calling in. They have a history of being glitchy and their infastructer is problematic. Their customer base is awkward.

AT&T pros: iPhone, Global GSM, rollover min, the service is perfect unless you live in the mountains, (or ny).

Cons: They suffer from inconsistent customer service like every other carrier with large call centers filled with low wage employees. Not as much coverage as verizon in rural areas like mountains because GSM is a relatively newer tech.

TMobile: best customer service in the industry. Trendy phones. Best money to minute ratio in the industry with huge values for minutes. Global.

Cons: They suffer from inconsistent customer service like every other carrier with large call centers filled with low wage employees. They have the reception least likely to work in the mountains.

No carriers suck except for sprint. As for the others, people expect too much and don't understand the real life logistical service challenges these multi billion dollar carriers have. It's a little more complex than people realize. Neither Verizon nor AT&T suck. They are just doing the best they can with the challenges they have to work with.

People talk about doing away with ETF fees and contracts and selling phones straight but that would eat in into their profits and they would not be able to expand their networks which is the other primary complaint. It has to be the way it is or it would not grow.

It took the landline industry 30 years to even out and the cell phone industry only 7.
 
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