Worthwhile Upgrade?

[poiihy]

There's no need to mess with the fans in a 9600. They're loud like that and always have been.

You could still replace them with quieter ones

 

[Intell]

That isn't recommend and won't help very much. The case design itself is loud and the power supply is screwed together with security screws.

 

[Anonymous Freak]

I don't think so...even though both are 168 pin, I think that the DIMMs used in these are a little bit different. If nothing else, I think that the keys are slightly different between the "correct" RAM and PC66/100/133.

That's at least the answer I got when looking into RAM for my 8500.

Correct. The pre-G3 systems use "EDO" RAM. EDO is electrically completely different than SDRAM, so a system would need to explicitly support SDRAM. (There were some PCs that supported both types - although usually they supported SDRAM in 168-pin DIMM slots, and used 72-pin SIMM slots for the EDO RAM; and only supported one at a time - if you put SDRAM in, it would completely disable the EDO RAM slots. I know of no systems that supported EDO DIMMs and SDRAM DIMMs.)

Of course, as you mention, the 'keying' is different, to make sure you don't plug one in to the other or vice versa.

If you really wanted to go nuts, I see 64 MB EDO DIMMs on eBay for $5 each, 128 MB for $10 each. (The 9600 can support up to 1.5 GB of RAM.)

 

[MatthewLTL]

Yes, 10.3 and later cannot use the on board video on beige G3 machines.

why?

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Did the install tonight. All it entailed was installing some sonnet software, removing the original 300mhz card pressing the reset cuda switch and then putting in the new processor. Not sure if I will go install OS X as there is only 320mb of ram installed and I doubt it would work very well. Here are some pics and a comparison of the original and upgrade card.

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wow 14 RAM slots damn... if that were todays standards you could have up to between 7GB and 28GB

 

[Intell]

Drivers were never made for them. Even if they were, it would be a very poor performing GPU.

 

[bunnspecial]

wow 14 RAM slots damn... if that were todays standards you could have up to between 7GB and 28GB

12 slots, not 14.

In any case, 8gb DDR-3 is common, which would allow for 96gb of RAM.

 

[Anonymous Freak]

12 slots, not 14.

In any case, 8gb DDR-3 is common, which would allow for 96gb of RAM.

A few years ago when I was working for Intel, we were testing a new "ultra-high-end" server. 4U rack server (so about the size of a 9600, only deeper in depth.) It had eight memory expansion cages. Each cage held 16 DIMMs. At the time, 16 GB DIMMs were just coming on to the market.

Of course, we loaded one up. 2 TB of RAM. We had to buy the memory from Micron/Crucial, as they were the only company that made 16 GB DIMMs at the time. The RAM cost over a million dollars (US.) They had a deal where if you bought more than $200 in RAM, they threw in an 8 GB USB flash drive. 😀 We thought that was hilarious. We spent a million dollars, and still only got the one 8 GB flash drive.

The other ridiculous part of it was that this system had only 8 2.5" drive bays. (It was meant to be a "virtual machine beast" - eight 8-core CPUs, tons of RAM, expecting that most of the storage would be external via a SAN.) We threw eight of the then-new 64 GB ultra-speed SSDs in. Which meant this system had *FAR* more memory than storage space. (But holy crap was it insanely fast.)

 

[MatthewLTL]

Drivers were never made for them. Even if they were, it would be a very poor performing GPU.

So with no Driver the system would just KP or? It's not possible to use the driver from 10.2?

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A few years ago when I was working for Intel, we were testing a new "ultra-high-end" server. 4U rack server (so about the size of a 9600, only deeper in depth.) It had eight memory expansion cages. Each cage held 16 DIMMs. At the time, 16 GB DIMMs were just coming on to the market.

Of course, we loaded one up. 2 TB of RAM. We had to buy the memory from Micron/Crucial, as they were the only company that made 16 GB DIMMs at the time. The RAM cost over a million dollars (US.) They had a deal where if you bought more than $200 in RAM, they threw in an 8 GB USB flash drive. 😀 We thought that was hilarious. We spent a million dollars, and still only got the one 8 GB flash drive.

The other ridiculous part of it was that this system had only 8 2.5" drive bays. (It was meant to be a "virtual machine beast" - eight 8-core CPUs, tons of RAM, expecting that most of the storage would be external via a SAN.) We threw eight of the then-new 64 GB ultra-speed SSDs in. Which meant this system had *FAR* more memory than storage space. (But holy crap was it insanely fast.)

Holey.... And here i can't even think of any benefits from more than 2GB of RAM in a basic use computer and any more than 8GB in a gaming rig

 

[Intell]

They just don't work. There is no kernel panic, it just doesn't work. Apple changed how the video kexts work between 10.2 and 10.3 making it not possible to use 10.2 video kexts.