Would having retina display on the iPad 3 be worth the upgrade alone?

[Kupp]

Is retnia display really that's much better then what we have now I love way something looks on my iPad I don't mean to sound dumb but I really don't know anything about retna display

I don't get the need to upgrade for retina, but then I don't even have an HD TV, my tv is a good thirteen years old...

Buying the iPad 2 is unusual for me I generally prefer to be behind the tech curve, he'll we just bought a wii a month or so ago, and other than that I have a ps2 I bought after the ps3 came out.

But hey if people want to go and buy the latest tech constantly, it will just make it cheaper when I get around to buying it.

Personally I am extremely happy with the display on the iPad 2.

 

[Legion93]

Retina display on the iPad 3 would be amazing, especially on a 9.7" device, I just compared my iPhone 4 with a 3GS and boy the difference in screen resolution is 100% noticeable - it has better colour and saturation and makes images sharp, clear and very vivid.

 

[freeman727]

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If you sold your original iPad before iPad 2 came out, it should have evened out pretty well with iPad 2...

I only lost 50 dollars and I used that iPad for over 9 months. That's about 5-6 dollars a month. I will stop going to starbucks and continue to use the latest and greatest iPad.

But, I bought iPad 2 because it was lighter and thinner.

I bought a used first gen 64gb 3G a month ago for 500 and sold it for the same 2 days ago. Despite what I initially thought the iPad 1 is a bit laggy. Needless to say i put an order in for an ipad 2. The front facing cam and increased thinness is a plus.

 

[Gomff]

You misread my post completely.

No I didn't.

Did I not say a higher PPI would make stuck or dead pixels less to maybe even not visible? The larger screen has no bearing as long as it has a certain number of pixels per inch. In what way is that not rational?

No you didn't.

There was no "less or maybe not visible" mentioned in your first post. you said precisely "QC will be LESS of an issue as you will not notice dead or stuck pixels due to the high ppi"

My point was that there would be one of two outcomes with a screen resolution bump with regards to QC and cost:

1) The screen has a high enough ppi for the eye not to pick up dead pixels, the inference being a ppi at or very similar to the iPhone 4. In which case you're talking about a huge resolution bump which would certainly pose a challenge from a QC and cost point of view.

2) That the screen resolution is bumped a bit higher but not to retina screen resolution resulting in less of a cost hike but also making stuck pixels more visible.

The foundations are there to make higher resolution screens for larger panels, costing is the fundamental reason as to why we've yet to see them on tablets. Although I used the example of the iPhone 4 I don't believe the iPad will necessarily have the same PPI, but more likely close to it.

Please could you direct me to the source of your confidence that an ipad2 retina screen is simply down to cost alone, with no QC implications.

 

[SteveAbootman]

Absolutely! I'm holding off on iPad2 for this reason alone. Don't care about cameras, and apple always updates the other hardware so that is of no concern.

 

[darngooddesign]

I don't see the logic in the your second point. Larger screen = more pixels....I don't understand how this would be LESS of an issue.

If more pixels =/= larger screen then more pixels = higher ppi.

If more pixels = higher ppi then higher ppi = harder to see bad pixels.

 

[Gomff]

If more pixels =/= larger screen then more pixels = higher ppi.

If more pixels = higher ppi then higher ppi = harder to see bad pixels.

And higher ppi = more difficult & expensive manufacturing process.

 

[spiderman0616]

If anything, QC will be LESS of an issue as you will not notice dead or stuck pixels due to the high ppi. manufacturing neither, if you can do it on a tiny screen like the iPhone, it should be equally possible on a much larger screen such as on the iPad. It's simply cost that is the glaring issue here.

I found dead pixels very noticeable on my iPhone 4. Was driving me nuts, and I eventually exchanged.

 

[darngooddesign]

And higher ppi = more difficult & expensive manufacturing process.

And yet the price of the iPhone 4 didn't go up. When Apple implements RD it won't cost them significantly more than the current screen.

 

[dacapo]

And yet the price of the iPhone 4 didn't go up. When Apple implements RD it won't cost them significantly more than the current screen.

But how much is the iPhone really? It seems cheaper only because the carriers subsidize the price. I believe the iPhone 4 is approximately the same price as an iPad without the subsidization.

Even if the iPad didn't have the same pixel density as the iPhone 4, the cost would not be small. (How many iP4 screens can you fit in an iPad screen?)

 

[rovex]

And higher ppi = more difficult & expensive manufacturing process.

You've asked me for a source showing that cost is the major hinderance in the manufacture process , but how about you yourself provide us with a link clarifying that it's more difficult to manufacture since you appear adamant?

I don't have a link, but this discussion is pure speculation from both of us until proven otherwise.

I've never heard a plethora of iPhone 4 users ranting about dead or stuck pixels. Of course there will be cases like the poster above, but I'm sure it's very limited. On the other hand, the iPad 2 which doesn't have retina and contrary to what you believe happens to be riddled with dead pixels for many. From what I gather, one particular person said he bought six iPad 2's and 4 had multiple dead pixels.

 

[Dr Kevorkian94]

yea it would be, but like every apple device i only upgrade if i can sell my old one for at least most of what i bought it.

 

[Gomff]

And yet the price of the iPhone 4 didn't go up. When Apple implements RD it won't cost them significantly more than the current screen.

Gosh, I wish I had access to your ability to look with such certainty into the future.

Your claim that the cost of the iphone 4 didn't go up is erroneous at best.....Didn't go up in comparison to which iphone model, on which tariff in which country?

The phone market is significantly different to the tablet market, especially when it comes to wifi only models where there is no option open to Apple and the consumer for carrier subsidies. Unless Apple make the retina display unavailable for wifi only models, they will have to incorporate the development and manufacturing costs into the retail price.....Which comes back to my original post, where I said it would be a big deal because of price, QC, battery and GPU performance.

 

[Gomff]

You've asked me for a source showing that cost is the major hinderance in the manufacture process , but how about you yourself provide us with a link clarifying that it's more difficult to manufacture since you appear adamant?

http://www.macstories.net/news/ipad-2-no-retina-display-anti-reflection-screen-ipod-touch-cameras/

"The analyst believes the iPad 2 won’t have a 2048×1536 Retina Display, as resolution isn’t what Apple is focusing on at the moment due to production volume and costs."

http://t3kd.com/blog/2010/12/15/ipad-2-retina-display-by-the-numbers/

"When I run the numbers the resolution the iPad would have to be at is incredulous for one thing but at that resolution the manufacturing process would be rife with problems number two. In order to make the screens at such a high pixel density on the 3.5″ screen of the iPhone it is not as difficult as the 10″ screen required by the iPad in comparison. So if they were able to go through the process the cost would be astronomical and problems like dead pixels, stuck pixels, etc. would be a constant problem I would surmise."

http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/01/1...culation-ignores-one-thing-theres-no-content/

"I’m all for pushing the state of the art, but we all know that Apple, in general, tends to nudge it more than tip it off a cliff. As Gruber notes processing power, memory, and price difference in a Retina-display iPad would create a situation that could prohibitively price the iPad 2 out of the range of even a Macbook Air or even a small island fortress off the coast of Portugal."

I could go on.....

On the other hand, the iPad 2 which doesn't have retina and contrary to what you believe happens to be riddled with dead pixels for many. From what I gather, one particular person said he bought six iPad 2's and 4 had multiple dead pixels.

Yeah yeah yeah, and my Dad's uncle's brother's dentist's dog's previous owner's mother said the same thing as well.

 

[rovex]

http://www.macstories.net/news/ipad-2-no-retina-display-anti-reflection-screen-ipod-touch-cameras/

"The analyst believes the iPad 2 won’t have a 2048×1536 Retina Display, as resolution isn’t what Apple is focusing on at the moment due to production volume and costs."

http://t3kd.com/blog/2010/12/15/ipad-2-retina-display-by-the-numbers/

"When I run the numbers the resolution the iPad would have to be at is incredulous for one thing but at that resolution the manufacturing process would be rife with problems number two. In order to make the screens at such a high pixel density on the 3.5″ screen of the iPhone it is not as difficult as the 10″ screen required by the iPad in comparison. So if they were able to go through the process the cost would be astronomical and problems like dead pixels, stuck pixels, etc. would be a constant problem I would surmise."

http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/01/1...culation-ignores-one-thing-theres-no-content/

"I’m all for pushing the state of the art, but we all know that Apple, in general, tends to nudge it more than tip it off a cliff. As Gruber notes processing power, memory, and price difference in a Retina-display iPad would create a situation that could prohibitively price the iPad 2 out of the range of even a Macbook Air or even a small island fortress off the coast of Portugal."

I could go on....

Since when were analysts right about everything? Hardly a credible source, and merely an opinion as opposed to fact which Is explicitly what I asked you for.

Yes, you can continue posting non factual information to substantiate your argument.

 

[Trauma1]

I personally believe the term "Retina Display" is being tossed around too much without a full understanding of how physics and the properties of light work. The point that is often under looked is that the PPI on the iPhone is claimed to be at the threshold of what the retina can differentiate, from three to five inches away from the face (or whatever that distance is). That is where iPhone users holding their phones. How many iPad users are holding them that close the the face? The iPad is meant to be used further away from the face than the iPhone. As you increase the distance, the threshold changes, and not by a linear fashion. It's a lot more complicated than just increasing the numbers on the resolution.

I would be curious to see the data on where iPad users are holding their devices and then revisit what would constitute a "Retina Dispay".

 

[Gomff]

Since when were analysts* right about everything? Hardly a credible source, and merely an opinion as opposed to fact which Is explicitly what I asked you for.

Yes, you can continue posting non factual information to substantiate your argument.

LOL, yeah analysts.....What do they know? All they do is analyse stuff right? What good is that?

Far better to post pure conjecture and A + B = F logic with nothing to substantiate the claims you've made.

 

[rovex]

LOL, yeah analysts.....What do they know? All they do is analyse stuff right? What good is that?

Far better to post pure conjecture and A + B = F logic with nothing to substantiate the claims you've made.

LOL indeed, especially after being asked to prove an assertion with fact and not people's opinions. Hence why I didn't post any links, smart guy.

Far more rational to post conjecture and back it up with more conjecture. That really does prove a point!

 

[Gomff]

LOL indeed, especially after being asked to prove an assertion with fact and not people's opinions. Hence why I didn't post any links, smart guy.

Far more rational to post conjecture and back it up with more conjecture. That really does prove a point!

Exactly what kind of proof do you require? Would a personal letter from Jonathan Ive explaining that the manufacturing process for a 10 inch retina screen is more fraught with challenges than that of an iPhone suffice?

I'm sorry for not being able to provide such a letter stating the blindingly obvious and having to make do with constructive, consensual & logical argument.

 

[rovex]

Exactly what kind of proof do you require? Would a personal letter from Jonathan Ive explaining that the manufacturing process for a 10 inch retina screen is more fraught with challenges than that of an iPhone suffice?

I'm sorry for not being able to provide such a letter stating the blindingly obvious and having to make do with constructive, consensual & logical argument.

Let's just take the word of all analysts shall we with no figures whatsoever or inside information on the specific manufacturing process. That in itself sounds ludicrous and I'm sure you'll disagree.

A letter was never needed, just a valid representation of what the facts are and not people who enjoy doing guesswork.

 

[Gomff]

Let's just take the word of all analysts shall we with no figures whatsoever or inside information on the specific manufacturing process. That in itself sounds ludicrous and I'm sure you'll disagree.

A letter was never needed, just a valid representation of what the facts are and not people who enjoy doing guesswork.

I'd rather take the word of industry analysts over wishlists compiled on internet forums....Especially when it tallies with the blindingly obvious.

 

[rovex]

I'd rather take the word of industry analysts over wishlists compiled on internet forums....Especially when it tallies with the blindingly obvious.

I think it's blindingly obvious that you've yet to substantiate your argument with facts and in turn resulting in you having little credibility by hopelessly relying on individuals doing guesswork.

Whatever rocks your boat.

 

[darngooddesign]

But how much is the iPhone really? It seems cheaper only because the carriers subsidize the price. I believe the iPhone 4 is approximately the same price as an iPad without the subsidization.

Even if the iPad didn't have the same pixel density as the iPhone 4, the cost would not be small. (How many iP4 screens can you fit in an iPad screen?)

The iPhone's unsubsidized price did not increase despite the significantly higher res screen and supporting hardware. The same will be true for the iPad when it gets its higher res screen.

 

[Gomff]

I think it's blindingly obvious that you've yet to substantiate your argument with facts and in turn resulting in you having little credibility by hopelessly relying on individuals doing guesswork.

Whatever rocks your boat.

In which case, please share with us all your insight into why the ipad doesn't sport a retina display? If there are no technical challenges to overcome, why isn't there one available? The specifications and manufacturing process for the retina screen must have been finalized before the final design of the ipad 2, so please go ahead and explain why it doesn't have one.

I find it laughable that someone who has no backup whatsoever for their own claims is deluded enough to consider having more credibility than someone who has time and time again made a logical case for why a retina display on the ipad isn't practical at this time.

But please, don't put the shovel down now....keep digging that hole a bit deeper

 

[rovex]

In which case, please share with us all your insight into why the ipad doesn't sport a retina display? If there are no technical challenges to overcome, why isn't there one available? The specifications and manufacturing process for the retina screen must have been finalized before the final design of the ipad 2, so please go ahead and explain why it doesn't have one.

I find it laughable that someone who has no backup whatsoever for their own claims is deluded enough to consider having more credibility than someone who has time and time again made a logical case for why a retina display on the ipad isn't practical at this time.

But please, don't put the shovel down now....keep digging that hole a bit deeper

I've already given my point of view on why there isn't a retina iPad currently available, it would be somewhat stupid for me to repeat myself just for your pleasure.

Putting words in my mouth to fit your image says a lot about your character, never once did I say I had more credibility. In fact, I was the one who said this thread and discussion is all speculation, yet you pontificating that analysts know Soo much more than us that it can portrayed as fact is absurd and delusional. Takes one to know one, ey?

I dont mind, you're the one illustrating your inability to know the difference between fact and opinion. An inherent deficiency, it seems.