Would we get 4k recording with iPhone 6?

AppleHater

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That'll be a big deal feature, although then 16gb storage would be really too small with no way to expand.
 

siurpeeman

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highly doubt it. the next iphone won't have a 4k display, and hardly anybody out there has a 4k display/tv. what would be the point?
 

AppleHater

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highly doubt it. the next iphone won't have a 4k display, and hardly anybody out there has a 4k display/tv. what would be the point?
They released macs with thunderbolt connection when there was hardly any devices to support it. Using 4k source, even down sampled videos look noticeably better than 1080p source videos.
 

luckydcxx

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highly doubt it. the next iphone won't have a 4k display, and hardly anybody out there has a 4k display/tv. what would be the point?
The point would be to be an innovator in the field, giving users high spec devices that are capable of extraordinary things.

Within a couple of years we will see many more 4k displays and it would be nice to watch videos shot on the iPhone in 4k.

Without a doubt they would need to make the base storage at least 32GB for this though.
 

SomeGuyDude

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The point would be to be an innovator in the field, giving users high spec devices that are capable of extraordinary things.

Within a couple of years we will see many more 4k displays and it would be nice to watch videos shot on the iPhone in 4k.

Without a doubt they would need to make the base storage at least 32GB for this though.
There's no point in innovating in this particular direction though. It would require an insane level of hardware that would skyrocket the already high price of the device, it would force higher storage, and it would result in the VAST majority of owners having a phone that does something that they have zero use for.

Hell not everyone even has 1080p screens on their laptops yet and nearly no one has 4K televisions. Movies and TV aren't shown in 4K, why the heck do we need phones that do it?

By the time 4K is widespread enough to take advantage of it, pretty much everyone who'll be adopting those screens are ALSO going to be upgrading their iphones. The only possible justification would be so people can record stuff now, and in a few years when they upgrade their screens they'll be able to watch old movies, but that's a really pointless reason to force that cost increase. Like you said, it's gonna be years before people have these screens, and by that time most people are going to have traded away their devices.
 

charlituna

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I doubt it. Perhaps with the iPhone 7 series but not the 6. Shift first from 1080 to 2k with better light sensors etc. Perhaps some plenoptic features. And some support for the slo mo etc on the iPad even if just for editing purposes. And make the shift to h265 systems wide. Getting the kinks out of that would be vital to jamming 4k recording plausible even if the stowage went up
 

Menel

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highly doubt it. the next iphone won't have a 4k display, and hardly anybody out there has a 4k display/tv. what would be the point?
Current iPhone doesnt even have a 720P screen... Yet we can record 1080P. What relevance does your statement have?

Plenty of enthusiasts have 4k TVs.
 

charlituna

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You do realize that 4K is basically 2K right?
You do realize that if you want to try to correct someone then you need to get it right yourself.

10 years of working in the film industry has taught me that 4k is not 'basically 2k‘

And even though the changes between 1080p and 2k are slight they are enough that a few changes will need to be made. And since there are no signs of Apple making 32GB the base storage and giving us a huge 128/256GB phone anytime soon now is the time to make those slight changes and get the bugs out of he new codecs so 4k is feasible
 

Skika

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You do realize that if you want to try to correct someone then you need to get it right yourself.

10 years of working in the film industry has taught me that 4k is not 'basically 2k‘

And even though the changes between 1080p and 2k are slight they are enough that a few changes will need to be made. And since there are no signs of Apple making 32GB the base storage and giving us a huge 128/256GB phone anytime soon now is the time to make those slight changes and get the bugs out of he new codecs so 4k is feasible
Ok then, explain to me the difference between full hd, 2K and 4K.

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siurpeeman

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highly doubt it. the next iphone won't have a 4k display, and hardly anybody out there has a 4k display/tv. what would be the point?
Current iPhone doesnt even have a 720P screen... Yet we can record 1080P. What relevance does your statement have?
no, the iphone doesn't have a 720p display, but 1080p is a widely adopted resolution for video. blu-ray and even itunes purchased content comes in 1080p and lots of people have 1080p displays and televisions. the same can't be said of 4k.

Plenty of enthusiasts have 4k TVs.
what relevance does this statement have? plenty of enthusiasts, maybe, but that doesn't equate to large amounts of people. it may eventually, but it certainly isn't now.
 

Ballis

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Ok then, explain to me the difference between full hd, 2K and 4K.
Full HD = 1920 x 1080
2K = 2048 x 1080
4K = 3840 x 2160

Massive difference in resolution.
Percievable difference = slight to none, depending on screen size.

Benefit in phone camera with pos lens = none.
 

Armand2REP

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That'll be a big deal feature, although then 16gb storage would be really too small with no way to expand.

No and I will tell you why. 4k motion rendering on the GS5 is choppy, it is another case of Samsung overreach. Apple doesn't do things half ass or sloppy like they do. Until most people have 4k displays, there isn't much market for it but just a gimmick.
 

mcdj

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I love the clamoring for 4K when the vast majority of people only have 720p TVs, and the vast majority of phone-made videos aren't even watched on TVs.
 

SomeGuyDude

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You do realize that if you want to try to correct someone then you need to get it right yourself.

10 years of working in the film industry has taught me that 4k is not 'basically 2k‘

And even though the changes between 1080p and 2k are slight they are enough that a few changes will need to be made. And since there are no signs of Apple making 32GB the base storage and giving us a huge 128/256GB phone anytime soon now is the time to make those slight changes and get the bugs out of he new codecs so 4k is feasible
I think the poster meant that 1080p is basically 2K, because he was saying that shifting from 1080p to 2K was a pointless first step. Just a typo.

And the difference is pretty minuscule, and also not one that would make sense. Shifting from 1080p to 2K would mean a different aspect ratio which would bone up video watching. We're not gonna see an iPhone with a non-cinematic aspect ratio any time soon for (I would imagine) obvious reasons.
 

Abazigal

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Full HD = 1920 x 1080
2K = 2048 x 1080
4K = 3840 x 2160

Massive difference in resolution.
Percievable difference = slight to none, depending on screen size.

Benefit in phone camera with pos lens = none.
I thought 2k is 2560x1440?
 

macfacts

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There's no point in innovating in this particular direction though. It would require an insane level of hardware that would skyrocket the already high price of the device, it would force higher storage, and it would result in the VAST majority of owners having a phone that does something that they have zero use for.
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When Apple released iphone5s last fall, Samsung released the Note 3 with 4k camera and 32GB storage minimum and cost about the same as iphone5s.
 

SomeGuyDude

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When Apple released iphone5s last fall, Samsung released the Note 3 with 4k camera and 32GB storage minimum and cost about the same as iphone5s.
The Note 3 is also made with a bunch of cheap parts and was still $799 at launch if memory serves (maybe?). And keep in mind Android devices are also priced lower thanks to bloatware anyway even off-contract (sorta like PCs).

Besides, none of that changed the fact that the thing was friggin' useless. You record at 4K but own absolutely nothing that can play 4K video at full size. Phones aren't where you push new resolutions. Apple should do that with their monitors and laptops, and then when those start to become widespread drop a phone that can make big video.

FFS how many people even use 16MP camera photos at full size? Almost no one. They get uploaded and shared digitally and resized downward. It doesn't matter the resolution, what matters is sharpness. Unless you're trying to film and actual independent movie from your iPhone (which, while neat, is not a common situation) there is NO NEED for that tech.

Take the money on implementing that and work it into a bigger battery, a SHARPER camera, something useful.
 

cynics

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The Note 3 is also made with a bunch of cheap parts and was still $799 at launch if memory serves (maybe?). And keep in mind Android devices are also priced lower thanks to bloatware anyway even off-contract (sorta like PCs).

Besides, none of that changed the fact that the thing was friggin' useless. You record at 4K but own absolutely nothing that can play 4K video at full size. Phones aren't where you push new resolutions. Apple should do that with their monitors and laptops, and then when those start to become widespread drop a phone that can make big video.

FFS how many people even use 16MP camera photos at full size? Almost no one. They get uploaded and shared digitally and resized downward. It doesn't matter the resolution, what matters is sharpness. Unless you're trying to film and actual independent movie from your iPhone (which, while neat, is not a common situation) there is NO NEED for that tech.

Take the money on implementing that and work it into a bigger battery, a SHARPER camera, something useful.
Maybe the shell. But technically speaking the parts are equivalent or more expensive then those used in an iPhone. Generally because of the amount material used. A removable battery is more expensive to manufacture then a non removal since there is no shell on a non removable, never mind the fact that is has a much higher capacity. Lets not also forget Samsung is still a supplier of Apple parts. Then many components are somewhat generic across the board.

4K is a tremendous help with video stabilization and other aspects of videography. This would especially be helpful with an iPhone since camera/video apps offer no pre production settings (iso, white balance, etc) therefore any editing has to be done post production. So it would be useful to be starting from a high quality image/video then downscale and stabilize the video, etc etc...

I do agree that I don't see Apple implementing this in the next iPhone however.