Wow. Just... wow. Let me tell you a little background. The last "general-brand PC that comes preloaded with Windows" I had was sometime in 1995-96 when I had a 150 MHz Compaq with Windows 95. After that, I got a Falcon Northwest with Windows 98 - they make hobbyist machines and ship Windows with minimal software, and a real Windows 98 OEM CD - not the prepackaged "system restore" CD/DVD machines normally comes with. After that, I built my own machines, and of course along came the Intel Macs, where I install Windows myself. So I was clueless to what was going on with the "general-brand" computers, as I've technically never opened and started up a general-brand PC from scratch since that Compaq back more than a decade ago. Yesterday, for Christmas, I got a Lenovo IdeaPad S10. Awesome-looking machine. And then I turned it on. First came the usual Windows XP information-gathering screens. I've gone through those a dozen of times, except this time it has a license agreement (that I never encountered before because I've agreed to it during the install). All normal, good stuff. But then when I got to the desktop... Norton Internet Security pops up with a huge window telling me to turn it on and stuff. It was so big I can barely hit the "next" button on the bottom of the screen. I know what a colossal piece of **** anything with "Norton" on it is. So I ain't gonna do what it wants. But guess what? There's only the "next" button! No "cancel" button! And I can't even hit the X to close it! Literally the only way to "opt out" of that **** is to call up the task manager and end that task! Jesus H. Christ! With Norton gone and uninstalled (along with Symantec LiveUpdate), I started up Internet Explorer to go and download Firefox. And what did I get? I was brought to some Lenovo-spsonsored Windows Live Search page, and the Windows Live Toolbar was literally forced on me. It didn't even ask me if I want it installed, there's just this dialog asking me if I want to participate in a call-home program, and if I want the default engine changed, and a "finish" button. No "Do you want to install the Windows Live Toolbar" or anything like that. It just installs, and too bad if I didn't want that crap in the first place. The only choice for me is to click "finish", then go and uninstall the plug-in. I've never encountered this crap with my countless installs of Windows XP. I mean, seriously, what the ****? How do you people with your Dells and HPs and Lenovos put up with this crap? And I thought Windows sucks. Now I truly see the light, Windows might suck, but most of it's suckiness in people's eyes are actually not the fault of Microsoft, but of the PC builders.