There's a much more offensive occurrence of the same problem.
If you search for the town of Tarsdorf, you'll see it.
I APOLOGISE IN ADVANCE IF ANY CHILDREN SEE THIS, OR ANYONE OF A MORE SENSITIVE DISPOSITION.
It needs fixing quickly
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Wow. Apple Maps is a disaster.
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There's a much more offensive occurrence of the same problem.
If you search for the town of Tarsdorf, you'll see it.
I APOLOGISE IN ADVANCE IF ANY CHILDREN SEE THIS, OR ANYONE OF A MORE SENSITIVE DISPOSITION.
It needs fixing quickly
There's a much more offensive occurrence of the same problem.
If you search for the town of Tarsdorf, you'll see it.
I APOLOGISE IN ADVANCE IF ANY CHILDREN SEE THIS, OR ANYONE OF A MORE SENSITIVE DISPOSITION.
It needs fixing quickly
Indeed it needs fixing. It's been a well publicised 'error' since launch day. It's amazing that they haven't 'fixed' stuff like this yet.
I've been 'reporting a problem' multiple times per day, but I've given up now. As others have said, I really can't be bothered to help a multi billion dollar corporation fix such basic stuff. They can take their map app and shove it up their @ss!
I absolutely understand your frustration and you've probably already done more than most if you've been reporting errors to date.
We know that despite being launched in an alpha/beta state that Apple Maps is here to stay, we hope that Google Maps will be back & permitted to integrate into iOS as a customer choice.
Whether the latter happens or not, Apple Maps will still need updating, some of that will come from Apple & quite a bit from the loyal customer base.
But you are correct, as has been said, no one is going to do that if they don't feel the errors are being corrected quickly & that's why it needs to be part of any statement Apple make on this subject.
It does seem the quality of the map data is rather lacking outside the US.
I've pointed out several examples earlier in the thread around Nottingham, which is a fairly big city.
I've "reported a problem" for many of these. None yet have been fixed, but then maybe I'd not expect them to be yet, what with seemingly the entire world - bar the US - bombarding them with complaints.
What I can't understand is; if it's true that the License Agreement between Apple and Google had another year to run, why didn't Apple simply bundle their Mapping application alongside Google's in iOS6, and tag it as a "Beta"?
Do that, and make it known that problems can be reported - and will be acted on - and you inevitably build up a community around the maps app, as users then have both an interest and an attachment to the product.
They could then have either removed Google apps, or made it possible to remove it, later on.
I've pointed out several examples earlier in the thread around Nottingham, which is a fairly big city.
I've "reported a problem" for many of these. None yet have been fixed, but then maybe I'd not expect them to be yet, what with seemingly the entire world - bar the US - bombarding them with complaints.
What I can't understand is; if it's true that the License Agreement between Apple and Google had another year to run, why didn't Apple simply bundle their Mapping application alongside Google's in iOS6, and tag it as a "Beta"?
Do that, and make it known that problems can be reported - and will be acted on - and you inevitably build up a community around the maps app, as users then have both an interest and an attachment to the product.
They could then have either removed Google apps, or made it possible to remove it, later on.
When you look at some of the articles regarding this on the web, you'll see there are many problems in the US as well.
Unfortunately, this thread has highlighted, that there are a lot of people out there with an, "I'm alright Jack" mentality.
In other words, as long as their regular school/college/work/grocery store/bar/bowling alley etc drive is on there then everything is ok & Apple Maps is fantastic!
Too few either think about or care about the wider picture.
PS - I did a genuine double-take at your signature there, I thought it said, "Some scuffs with an apple logo on them"
Unfortunately, this thread has highlighted, that there are a lot of people out there with an, "I'm alright Jack" mentality.
In other words, as long as their regular school/college/work/grocery store/bar/bowling alley etc drive is on there then everything is ok & Apple Maps is fantastic!
Too few either think about or care about the wider picture.
PS - I did a genuine double-take at your signature there, I thought it said, "Some scuffs with an apple logo on them"
This is the busiest spot in Finland's capital Helsinki today, 3 months after the Maps beta 1 was released. It's embarrassing. What am I supposed to report here, the whole city?
It's obvious from the posts that there are 2 categories of users here:
1. Those whose map data is adequate for their location and use. Primarily in US, primarily don't use public transport, primarily don't use POI.
2. Everywhere else. These people feel incredibly insulted and demeaned by having Apple throw such an inadequate and broken App in their face. On the one hand you've got an incredibly bright and shiny iPhone, on the other hand there's this insulting switcheroo where Apple substitutes a totally substandard Maps App for Google Maps.
Here's a comment from an expert:
"From a strategic perspective, it is the right move," he said. "But Apple used all the wrong methods during the development of its own Maps. If Apple can adopt better strategies and invest enough money, maybe increasing their mapping team members 100 times, then it is possible to have an advantage over Google Maps within three or four years."
http://www.macnewsworld.com/rsstory/76247.html
Did everyone catch that?
3 to 4 years to catch up with Google Maps?
How's that sit with everyone?
1. Those whose map data is adequate for their location and use. Primarily in US, primarily don't use public transport, primarily don't use POI.
2. Everywhere else. These people feel incredibly insulted and demeaned by having Apple throw such an inadequate and broken App in their face. On the one hand you've got an incredibly bright and shiny iPhone, on the other hand there's this insulting switcheroo where Apple substitutes a totally substandard Maps App for Google Maps.
Here's a comment from an expert:
"From a strategic perspective, it is the right move," he said. "But Apple used all the wrong methods during the development of its own Maps. If Apple can adopt better strategies and invest enough money, maybe increasing their mapping team members 100 times, then it is possible to have an advantage over Google Maps within three or four years."
http://www.macnewsworld.com/rsstory/76247.html
Did everyone catch that?
3 to 4 years to catch up with Google Maps?
How's that sit with everyone?
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Couldn't even find Lowes. I wouldn't trust Apple maps for POI search if you don't know the area somewhat already.
Personally I can live with less data than Google Maps. What I can't live with though, is that data being unreliable. I don't mind (that much) not finding something, but if I find it, the directions better be reliable and I'd better find what I'm looking for when I get there.
Where I live almost ALL (and I'm not exaggerating) the POIS are at the wrong place (and a lot of them are duplicates? seems like Apple merged data from multiple sources and they didn't bother checking for duplicates?). So now I know it can be really unreliable, and I would have to think twice (thrice?) before relying on it for anything when I travel (which is my main use for any kind of mobile maps app).
Or China.
http://ph.omg.yahoo.com/news/apple-maps-better-google-china-120020900.html
By "expert" you mean geography professor with no inside knowledge of Apple's implementation, partnerships, or development strategy. Who seems to have pulled a number out of his rear that supports your position.
Except he said 3 to 4 years to surpass Google Maps (not catch up) by hiring 100 times their current mapping team members. I've seen estimates that Apple has about 1,500 employees on the map team. So he's suggesting hiring 150,000 employees. Does this statement sound reasonable to you in any way?
It sits fine with me as someone who just traveled to multiple cities covering 800 miles in the last week without any problems with directions or POIs.
But I do empathize with those people that can't take advantage of the new features.
Likewise- pretty much all the pins are in the wrong place... some are close by, but they're still wrong. It puts a cafe in some trees in somebody's back garden, and the neighbours tree appears to have barbers shop in it.
I had been reporting the errors but they're far too numerous. I've decided not to help them out anymore; that would be a full time job just sorting out a single square km of suburbian (but highly populated) London. They don't seem to realise, for example, that there's a train station where South West Trains, London Overground, the District Line and a huge selection of busses all converge to form a fairly major transport hub in these parts!
Whatever method they used to overlay POI data with geographical data went horribly wrong. They also seem to have screwed up the address formatting so the 'town' field displays the name of the Borough- so all towns around here are apparently called Richmond!
I just filed my last 'report' but it wasn't very constructive. No more!
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Or China.
http://ph.omg.yahoo.com/news/apple-maps-better-google-china-120020900.html
By "expert" you mean geography professor with no inside knowledge of Apple's implementation, partnerships, or development strategy. Who seems to have pulled a number out of his rear that supports your position.
Except he said 3 to 4 years to surpass Google Maps (not catch up) by hiring 100 times their current mapping team members. I've seen estimates that Apple has about 1,500 employees on the map team. So he's suggesting hiring 150,000 employees. Does this statement sound reasonable to you in any way?
It sits fine with me as someone who just traveled to multiple cities covering 800 miles in the last week without any problems with directions or POIs.
But I do empathize with those people that can't take advantage of the new features.
Actually to catch up to google and offer the same level of service, apple would need to become another google.
What I mean is google maps is good because google has a search engine. It pulls in all this data for POI from every web source it can find. Apple would need to replace that before it can get that good. Otherwise it would continue to be subject to the reliability of it's partners like Yelp. If the point was to take control of it's own destiny map wise, seem rather counter productive.
While you might have travelled to multiple cities (all in the USA?) without issue. It doesn't mean that other people who lives in the cities you went to didn't have trouble. Remember you are the traveller, you wouldn't know as well as a local if something was wrong with the map. And you would have been more likely to look for major landmarks, vs your local coffee store or drug store.
In the long run it's the ability to find local businesses that will drive revenue for any ad funded map service. And right now Apple doesn't have it. Nor ways to monetize it.
I agree.
I understand your point. Like I said, I empathize with people that are having problems. But I was just stating that I, personally, am happy with Apple Maps so far because they have exceeded my expectations.
I think you are making some assumptions here about Apple's strategy. I would bet that Apple will try to operate maps on a break even basis, much like the iTunes Store.
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Same here, pretty much all the POI data is wrong. I also reported some of them at day #1, but there are just too many errors to report and I haven't seen anything being fixed yet.
Also aside from the maps, the walking directions are pretty broken. Most of the time the directions don't make any sense, like in the picture below. I asked for directions from green pin to red pin.
I've used the Turn by Turn, and its great! I can see why Apple wanted it, especially since it's trying to have a hands AND eyes free interface as well you don't want to be held back. Also I haven't had a problem so far here in SoCal with any errors yet.
Still there seems to be a simple solution for all. Apple did not want to RELY on Google for something it wanted to do. But that is what the APP STORE IS ALL ABOUT! Its not millions of Apple only apps... so you can get any app you want if you don't like Apple Maps. Just like if you don't like Apple Notes, Clock, Weather, Calendar or whatever...THERE ARE OPTIONS PEOPLE!
So use Apple Maps or wait for Google Maps App and relax....or both like I probably will...pretty simple...
Still there seems to be a simple solution for all. Apple did not want to RELY on Google for something it wanted to do. But that is what the APP STORE IS ALL ABOUT! Its not millions of Apple only apps... so you can get any app you want if you don't like Apple Maps. Just like if you don't like Apple Notes, Clock, Weather, Calendar or whatever...THERE ARE OPTIONS PEOPLE!
So use Apple Maps or wait for Google Maps App and relax....or both like I probably will...pretty simple...
The beautiful thing about OSM is that if you feel a certain area is not finished, you can go ahead, edit that area and improve it.
Apple Maps not only integrates with stock features like Siri, Find my Friends, and Find my iPhone, but also any app that uses Apple's mapping API - so it's not that easy to just choose something else.
Downloading another mapping app won't fix the numerous apps I use daily that are now broken thanks to the Apple Map Kit and it's faulty information in my area.
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I live in the US... fairly well populated area in the suburbs of NYC. The maps for my area are useless.
Today was the first day I properly put Apple Maps to the test, and it really is as awful as the hype.
I won't bore people with the details - same problems everyone else has had through the thread.
Bear in mind I was using in London. Not even suburban London. CENTRAL London - pretty much as central as you can get. It was so bad, I had to resort to the web-based Google Maps, which itself is a pretty painful experience on Mobile Safari.
For the first time in 5 years I am actually considering an Android phone. I say that as a long-term Apple fan and owner. If any Android manufacturers can come up with a phone is built as well as an iPhone, I will strongly consider the switch.
That might seem dramatic, but Maps really is one of the primary uses of having a smartphone for me, and without Google Maps I feel....lost
I won't bore people with the details - same problems everyone else has had through the thread.
Bear in mind I was using in London. Not even suburban London. CENTRAL London - pretty much as central as you can get. It was so bad, I had to resort to the web-based Google Maps, which itself is a pretty painful experience on Mobile Safari.
For the first time in 5 years I am actually considering an Android phone. I say that as a long-term Apple fan and owner. If any Android manufacturers can come up with a phone is built as well as an iPhone, I will strongly consider the switch.
That might seem dramatic, but Maps really is one of the primary uses of having a smartphone for me, and without Google Maps I feel....lost
I had some time today when waiting for my wife so I fired up Apple Maps and it found 8 hospitals nearby.
Then i fired up google through the browser, which loaded a good bit longer (and coincidently provoke a message I am reaching my data limit).
It found 9 hospitals.
Would it have been a real emergency, my choice would be simple: Call an ambulance or a taxi. Being in a foreign country I would probably have no or very slow internet access, no car and probably not the time or patience to use a tram or subway.
The advantage of google maps over apple maps in some fields is no questions, but to come up with emergency situations to prove it is stupid. Google maps is still there only a little less conveinient.
Should I choose to drive myself or need to ask a local to drive me, I would rather be able to give driving instrructions or have them spoken in the language he understands.
Exactly, when a closed system like iOS has a core turd app, it makes the phone more of a PITA to use, which defeats the purpose of iPhone. I don't get to chose my default map app.
There's a much more offensive occurrence of the same problem.
If you search for the town of Tarsdorf, you'll see it.
I APOLOGISE IN ADVANCE IF ANY CHILDREN SEE THIS, OR ANYONE OF A MORE SENSITIVE DISPOSITION.
It needs fixing quickly
That place (Fu****g) actually exists, no reason to fix that one, Google maps knows that place too.
Including contractors, google supposedly has over 7000: http://www.bgr.com/2012/09/21/google-maps-7100-workers/