Wow. Apple Maps is a disaster.

[pdqgp]

Thanks for the don't-let-the-door-hit-you-on-the-way-out comment.

Don't imply that's the only comment I left you with. Read my post, you have plenty of options. This one always exists.

I like Apple products, have been using and recommending them around me for the past 10 years, and it's the first time that I feel like Apple and the Apple community in general has completely lost touch with the outside world, or at least a good part of it, defending a bad product and bad decisions with some sort of religious beliefs.

Being that we've past page 100 on this thread, I think it's clear the Apple community here is done trying to "defend" anyone. I think it's also clear problems do exist and some users can't effectively use the built in product. No one here can concretely speak about the decisions as good or bad because we don't know the reasons for them being made.

The "better more improved solution" already exists. It has been included in iOS for the last 5 years. Even if by some miracle Apple catches up to the existing mapping data in the next 5 or 10 years, iOS users won't have gained anything and Apple might have saved a few bucks in licensing agreements. How this can make sense to anyone is beyond me.

Then it sounds like if the solution exists your using it then and this argument is a moot point for you? No doubt it will be less of a point for others once the google app is released and perhaps if Apple finally opens up their system to allow for it to be used as a default app moot for them. I'm all for that as part of my gripe with the old maps is that it was useless to me as I wanted TBT and yet Apples limitations kept me from using my navi of choice by default.

All that said, I don't think Google is that far superior in value the pubic compared to the other great options available in the marketplace. If they were there wouldn't be so many other stand alone app sales and devices that don't use them and their data in use by so many.

 

[andrunious]

anyone think that Apple will take "Maps" out in next update and put Google Maps back in? Theoretically it is possible, right?

 

[Cybbe]

anyone think that Apple will take "Maps" out in next update and put Google Maps back in? Theoretically it is possible, right?

Never.

 

[a0me]

I'm curious as to how many folks experiencing issues with the new maps were also aware of the issues and concerns that have been posted about since June yet continued forward with updating their phone anyway?

I'd assume that most people experiencing issues with Apple Maps now didn't know that the iOS 6 would break the functionality.

I had heard about the issues during the beta and made the decision not to update based on that. The only real drawback for me is that I'll have to look elsewhere for my next purchase, and that the thought of having to use a crappy Android or Windows Phone on a daily basis is not a very attractive alternative.

Also, being the "Apple guy" amongst my friends and family kind of sucks now since I was the one who made them an iPhone in the first place. Most people weren't aware that pressing OK at the "upgrade to iOS 6?" prompt would break their phone.

 

[bripab007]

Most people weren't aware that pressing OK at the "upgrade to iOS 6?" prompt would break their phone.

Ha! Hyperbole much?

 

[Kukulcan]

Thanks for the don't-let-the-door-hit-you-on-the-way-out comment.

I like Apple products, have been using and recommending them around me for the past 10 years, and it's the first time that I feel like Apple and the Apple community in general has completely lost touch with the outside world, or at least a good part of it, defending a bad product and bad decisions with some sort of religious beliefs.
The "better more improved solution" already exists. It has been included in iOS for the last 5 years.
Even if by some miracle Apple catches up to the existing mapping data in the next 5 or 10 years, iOS users won't have gained anything and Apple might have saved a few bucks in licensing agreements. How this can make sense to anyone is beyond me.

it already does for me, some others here in the topic and probably many more. a vast majority might not even be aware of the problem as they never opened maps at all or didn't find all the features it offered.

google maps is google's property and that apple was not happy with that was obvious and the change foreseeable. what is happening reminds me of the *****torm about windows vista being broken beyond usability. maybe it was, but I never had serious problem with it.

does that makes things better? No! Will things improve and the vocal minority finally calm down? I think so! Will Apple go bankrupt like Microsoft did over Vista? - probably!

 

[cynics]

This just sucks....

Took a random trip to Vegas with a couple buddies. The POI make Las Vegas look like a ghost town, and the google web app just isn't loading worth a crap.

My advice is don't be spontaneous or bring your walking shoes. We can always just wing it but I'm getting more and more disappoint. Not only in Apple but myself for not planning a back up method just in case. I never realized how much I like and used to old maps till now.

 

[a0me]

This just sucks....

Took a random trip to Vegas with a couple buddies. The POI make Las Vegas look like a ghost town, and the google web app just isn't loading worth a crap.

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My advice is don't be spontaneous or bring your walking shoes. We can always just wing it but I'm getting more and more disappoint. Not only in Apple but myself for not planning a back up method just in case. I never realized how much I like and used to old maps till now.

Just out of curiosity what did you search for? A search for Las Vegas in Google Maps iOS 5 gives me a very detailed map.

 

[SpyderBite]

Still no issues with the map or navigation here in the New England area. Been using apple map while traveling between Boston, NYC & Hartford. No inaccurate info in city or out of city. Even avoided a few traffic jams with rerouting.

Glad that I seem to be one of the 1% that have no problems with the new maps. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough for flaws in the app.

 

[Texran]

With new maps search for Old Ocean Texas, I'll even give you the zip code 77463.
Now do a search with either the old maps, or google maps.

 

[zzyzx]

Yes, you can search for it and it will drop a pin on it, but there's no indication that a huge campus is actually there. There no label, no different color. Contrast it with the Naval Medical Center across the street.

And? "Yes, it's in the right place and you can search for it, but it's not a different color," is getting to be a pretty ticky tack complaint. I understand the transit problems and the people in the UK who are missing roads and towns, but this seems like an exceedingly minor problem.

 

[cynics]

Just out of curiosity what did you search for? A search for Las Vegas in Google Maps iOS 5 gives me a very detailed map.

Nothing in particular just looking for what's good.

There were a couple restaurants I've eaten at in casinos but most aren't popping up. I was hoping to use maps to jog my memory so I could make reservations. I thought there was a Daniel Boulud's in the Wynn hotel but all I'm seeing is an SW Steakhouse on Apples maps.

 

[pdqgp]

I'd assume that most people experiencing issues with Apple Maps now didn't know that the iOS 6 would break the functionality. Most people weren't aware that pressing OK at the "upgrade to iOS 6?" prompt would break their phone.

In terms of people experiencing issues, mainly directed to those here being vocal about it, are what I would deem a step above the average Joe Smith on the streets just being their a part of a forum focused on the products. That said based on their exposure or likely awareness and combined with the fact that we've just come off two very recent similar issues, antenna gate and battery gate, I'll leave it that I find the decision to upgrade to iOS6 surprising. Regardless, the update didn't break their phone.

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Nothing in particular just looking for what's good.

There were a couple restaurants I've eaten at in casinos but most aren't popping up. I was hoping to use maps to jog my memory so I could make reservations. I thought there was a Daniel Boulud's in the Wynn hotel but all I'm seeing is an SW Steakhouse on Apples maps.

I posted earlier in reference to the Chicago map images posted that POI's aren't all going to pop up on the map. I think Apple made reference to keeping them to a minimum purposely to keep a clean look to the maps. Try a search for them instead of just trying to zoom.

 

[cynics]

In terms of people experiencing issues, mainly directed to those here being vocal about it, are what I would deem a step above the average Joe Smith on the streets just being their a part of a forum focused on the products. That said based on their exposure or likely awareness and combined with the fact that we've just come off two very recent similar issues, antenna gate and battery gate, I'll leave it that I find the decision to upgrade to iOS6 surprising. Regardless, the update didn't break their phone.

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I posted earlier in reference to the Chicago map images posted that POI's aren't all going to pop up on the map. I think Apple made reference to keeping them to a minimum purposely to keep a clean look to the maps. Try a search for them instead of just trying to zoom.

That's not very helpful because I'm trying to use the maps to jog my memory remember?

Searching Daniel Boulud I get no results anyway.

No worries I was able to get the google web app working and it is in the Wynn hotel and casino like I thought.

 

[a0me]

With new maps search for Old Ocean Texas, I'll even give you the zip code 77463.
Now do a search with either the old maps, or google maps.

That's weird, Google Maps gives a very different result that what the post above is showing.

 

[MonkeySee....]

FWIW there is a guy on the Cult of Mac forum advises.....

**EDIT** **UPDATE**
I reported the issue to Apple on Sunday through their built-in error reporter and
it has already been (partially) fixed. The college now comes up when you search for it. However, when putting in the actual address, it still says "No Results Found." Also, when you search the college (which, as I said, does come up) the address they provide is still completely wrong - street, town and zipcode are all wrong.

It appears Apple is fixing (some) issues fairly quickly. That's good to see. It's only been out for a week.

 

[zzyzx]

And that's part of it. When I look for a new place to eat, I either go to Happy Cow (I'm a vegetarian) or to Yelp or Urbanspoon. I never fired up the map to see what was around me. I used maps to get from point a to point b, and it seems to do a good job with that.

 

[a0me]

In terms of people experiencing issues, mainly directed to those here being vocal about it, are what I would deem a step above the average Joe Smith on the streets just being their a part of a forum focused on the products. That said based on their exposure or likely awareness and combined with the fact that we've just come off two very recent similar issues, antenna gate and battery gate, I'll leave it that I find the decision to upgrade to iOS6 surprising.

Most non-techie people are not even aware of the "antenna gate" and "battery gate." To be honest, I don't know anybody that has any antenna or battery issue with their iPhone; I'm not surprised that most people haven't heard about it.

Regardless, the update didn't break their phone.

Their phone's map app used to work and now it doesn't. Again, to most people this means that their phone is broken.
(I'm not saying that Apple Maps doesn't work in your part of the world. However I know for a fact that's is unusable over here)

 

[alent1234]

And that's part of it. When I look for a new place to eat, I either go to Happy Cow (I'm a vegetarian) or to Yelp or Urbanspoon. I never fired up the map to see what was around me. I used maps to get from point a to point b, and it seems to do a good job with that.

i did it a few times with google maps and its too much information. being just south of times square will do that. so i just use seamless or yelp or something similar

 

[pdqgp]

Most non-techie people are not even aware of the "antenna gate" and "battery gate." To be honest, I don't know anybody that has any antenna or battery issue with their iPhone; I'm not surprised that most people haven't heard about it.

Thus why I noted those on this forum which are by more likely than not, techies.

Their phone's map app used to work and now it doesn't. Again, to most people this means that their phone is broken.

The app still works and even in areas where there are issues, their phone still has an app store filled with options and Google.com in their browser. Those options not being integrated by default or apps that rely on them and now don't function well don't break your phone. In the case of apps, I'd email them directly about using the API for another mapping application vs the default from Apple. They are likely going to have to do that as well just as other applications have. In fact some don't fully tie to Apple's system at all and rather offer options to several. I understand what once was now no longer is but it happens.

I have a digital video camera that esencially is useless as there are no drivers for Windows 7 machines. It's a perfectly good video camera that I like and can use but should I be mad at Sony or Microsoft for no longer supporting it for whatever reasons?

If you define your phone as being broken because the default map app doesn't fit your needs for whatever reason, you likely should have bought a dedicated GPS unit or perhaps should look at options vs just giving up and beating a dead horse or as noted above, go return your phone/buy another brand. All options. When I very first moved to the iPHone back in 2007 and found it didn't do turn by turn I didn't cry that my phone sucks. I mean I was and am surprised it didn't offer it and took this long to do so but I simply explored the apps available and found one that I really like. I never considered my phone broken.

(I'm not saying that Apple Maps doesn't work in your part of the world. However I know for a fact that's is unusable over here)

Granted it seems to work better here in the states but we still have reports of issues.

 

[PDE]

I feel this thread has become hopeless. I don't understand those who say that apple crippling our expensive phones by removing core functionality and not replacing it with something equivalent or better is not a big deal. Those who say that there are other equally good alternatives...oh yeah? Which might they be? I don't want five different apps to get less functionality than what I had and paid for in iOS 5. For me in the UK, on a scale from 1 to 10, google maps was a solid 8 while Apple maps is a 1 - and I'm not alone feeling this way.

A map that doesn't show anything accurately is not a map. In other words, in effect Apple removed map functionality on my iPhone with this update, thereby seriously crippling my iPhone.

Since apple made a calculated business decision, there are no excuses and as a customer I'm not to blame. This is entirely Apple's responsibility.

I can't get my head around that people here are so intent on defending Apple no matter what. Maybe some places in the U.S. have acceptable service, but the U.S. represents a tiny portion of the world's population - something that certain people seem to be unaware of.

 

[Idefix]

This whole problem would go away if you just label the Apple Maps App as a Comedy App.

Instead of anger, you could go to the pub and have lots of laughs with your friends about the huge mistakes.

Oh wait! It's really Apple who is laughing at us because we expected a credible Maps App?

But in the meantime, Apple is becoming the laughingstock of the tech world.

 

[PDE]

This whole problem would go away if you just label the Apple Maps App as a Comedy App.

Instead of anger, you could go to the pub and have lots of laughs with your friends about the huge mistakes.

Oh wait! It's really Apple who is laughing at us because we expected a credible Maps App?

But in the meantime, Apple is becoming the laughingstock of the tech world.

Excellent idea! Too bad apple doesn't allow us to rename apps. At least we can create a comedy folder and put it in there!

 

[a0me]

The app still works and even in areas where there are issues, their phone still has an app store filled with options

As crazy as it may sound there is no map apps in the (Japanese) App Store. There are a couple of car navigation apps (with turn-by-turn), dedicated train or bus schedule apps, etc... but no other, up-to-date maps offering the same accuracy and POI database as in Google Maps.

and Google.com in their browser.

This is currently the only viable solution (that and jailbreaking/rolling back iOS) as it offers the same accuracy as before. However it's slow, doesn't support the compass, has a lower GPS refresh rate and less screen estate than the native app. Better than nothing I guess.

I have a digital video camera that esencially is useless as there are no drivers for Windows 7 machines. It's a perfectly good video camera that I like and can use but should I be mad at Sony or Microsoft for no longer supporting it for whatever reasons?

Your camera "stopped" working with your computer because you bought a different computer.

When I very first moved to the iPHone back in 2007 and found it didn't do turn by turn I didn't cry that my phone sucks.

How many phones had turn by turn in 2007?
My clamshell phone had Google Maps for Java and that was considered almost "state of the art" back then. Maps on the first iPhone blew away whatever was available on other phones at the time.
The issue people have with Apple Maps is that it's taking away a perfectly working Maps Apps and replace it with something that's generally inferior.

 

[dv8r]

If this is true, then the little faith I had in Apple fixing this mess is gone. They pass the reports on to TomTom and Yelp? That's it?!

Apparently this is what they told The New York Times[1] - and it does make sense since all the misplaced POI's in my hometown are all Yelp locations.

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/t...s-review.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www