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Last week I used the navi gps for a job interview I had in denver (New to colorado). It looped me all the way around, near the airport, from the north side into denver. The GPS took me on a wild goose chase before ending up at my location.

I had to explain to the Director about why I was late. I was so pissed.
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Not Dwight Silverman. This is awful!!!!

You did catch the part about all the bad, no good, terrible publicity? It sure reached a whole bunch more people than your comment...

When David Pogue got misdirected and missed a gig, he was more straightforward:

"In short, Maps is an appalling first release. It may be the most embarrassing, least usable piece of software Apple has ever unleashed."

And the iPhone 5 is a beautiful piece of tech, so it's still selling quite quite well...but it's carrying a heavy load.
 
So a friend of mine got the 5, and got it stolen. So we look on find my iphone, and Find my iPhone, uses apple maps. So we look on there, and it's in the middle of a lake...

We know for a fact that since we can still call it and find it, that it's not destroyed non working in a lake. This is an issue.:mad:

That doesn't really mean anything. Now, if you look for the lake in Google maps, get the latitude and longitude and enter them in Apple maps, does it get you to the same lake or not? The issue could be simply that the GPS reception is poor (particularly if it is indoors) and the calculated location is way off, not necessarily related to a bad map.
 
Hmm. never thought about how an inferior mapping system would work with Map-dependent apps like Find my IPhone and Find my Friends.

I fired up find my iPhone now and before I could see my moms house but I guess they live in a bad Apple mapped area so it's just a phone in a blank field. (In an unrelated note, Also, I found the MacBook Air I sold in April. I formatted and everything but I guess I still can see it and ERASE it?!? Creepy.)
 
Hmm. never thought about how an inferior mapping system would work with Map-dependent apps like Find my IPhone and Find my Friends.

I fired up find my iPhone now and before I could see my moms house but I guess they live in a bad Apple mapped area so it's just a phone in a blank field. (In an unrelated note, Also, I found the MacBook Air I sold in April. I formatted and everything but I guess I still can see it and ERASE it?!? Creepy.)

Or, more likely, poor GPS signal throwing it off, rather than maps being at fault.......
 
Turn by turn is awesome for me....have been testing it everywhere I go.

It actually gave me a better route today that two other GPS units did not.

Bought a windshield mount and power it from my cig lighter...works great.
 

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No, Apple map does not need to match Google map function by function. They just need to be functional i.e. address are correct and turn by turn navigation is accurate. Streetview is a good to have buy not mandatory for most of the users. And if someone leave IOS device because of street view, they would have left already. Google street view is available in the web google map app already. So there is a solution for someone who want to stay in IOS.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/4/3453258/google-maps-street-view-ios-web-app-available


The map issue is not a apple map vs google map. Once Apple kick Google map out of IOS, it become IOS vs Android choice. If someone cannot live without Android map app, they would have moved to Android device by now or simply not upgrade to IOS 6. If someone can live with the alternate map solution in IOS 6 (e.g. Google web version, mapquest, etc. etc.), they would stay. Remember Passport require an accurate map app to be usable. Once Apple fixed the Map accuracy problem, passport become the hook that lock user into IOS ecosystem.

Map is an important part of mobile device experience but not the only one. Apple is forcing the user to choose. And judging from Iphone 5 sales number, majority of folks who want Iphone 5 will get one and lack of google map be damned. Google will picked the right time to bring Google map to IOS. They don't want to help Apple now but they will be back in a hurry if Apple start putting together a decent map solution. The revenue side of Google will want IOS revenue like any other app developer. And they want to collect all the user information that they can get their hand on to further their search algorithm also. Apple users are much more willing to spend money than Android user as a group, so it is to Google search side benefit to stay onto IOS.

I still say that after 6 months, Apple map will be decent enough and there are enough alternative solution that IOS user will forget they need google map (If Google map is not back by then). For those who cannot wait, they will leave but they may come back when all is well again..
I can quickly disprove your long post. I've owned every iphone model except iphone 5. I decided to try something else solely because google maps is no longer available on the iphone. Google Maps will never be integrated into the iphone like it used to be. Apple products are just toys now.
 
I think I have more faith on Apple developers and their corporate resource. We will see in 6 months where will Apple map be.

I used to have that confidence - but it seems QA is suffering inside Apple. Something like this could be easily caught in a manual verification within a couple of hours or they could have listened to the large amount of developers submitting through Radar that something was very wrong. There are two scenarios - Apple knew what they were doing or they simply didn't.

Neither one seems to be very comforting at all.

What Apple suggested in their website is not the same Google map as in IOS5. It is the web version of Google map. There is a very big distinction. And if you cannot differential the difference, you really don't understand why Apple kick Google Map out in IOS as such a high PR and user dissatisfaction cost.

I know there's a functional difference - that's not the point. The point is they are referencing a competitor they just threw from the platform and placed themselves in a position where they hardly can deny the coming app from said competitor in their app store.

The rest of the statement above makes little sense to me.

I don't think there is any question that the rollout of IOS 6 map is a disaster. There is a communication breakdown between the development team and Scott Fostall. Scott Fostall presentation during the Iphone 5 launch clearly showed that he did not know the map issue well. But that is a stretch to think that Apple, as a company, cannot recover from this problem.

Forstall has his own thread - we should continue this there. My opinion is that he either knew or didn't know. If he knew, it's a dick-move - if he didn't, it's incompetence.

And I'm not saying Apple can't recover - I'm saying their Maps App won't.
 
Let's follow your thesis assuming that the damage is already done.. What does it do to the Iphone 5 sales so far? Nothing much that I can tell.. Apple is still selling as many as Iphone 5 as they can make. If you follow the Iphone 5 forum, user decision are more affected by the scuff-gate, the wifi problem, the battery draining problem and LTE data usage problem much more than map.

Those with 5s have other, and sometimes much larger, problems to deal with than the Maps, but that doesn't mean that the maps are working for them either.

If anything, those issues are only compounding the rest of the damage that has been done.

It's not the iPhone 5's sales that will take the hit, it's the future devices that will. After all, for the most part, those buying an iPhone 5 have little or no experience with iOS 6. On the other hand, those with previous model phones who were burned by iOS 6's faults won't be nearly as blind to the other options as their contracts become available.

As you said, "Tomorrow, they will make a different choice base on the competitions and what they perceived as best for their money."

It's those people Apple should be the most worried about, but (so far) don't seem to care.


The battle is not on the map, the battle is for the future location based apps. Assuming that you are correct that a big subgroup of folks will never use Apple map again. They either bounce off to Android device or just use the alternative solution in IOS. When Apple start rolling out location based apps , consumer will get drag back into Apple map because of the tie in (e.g. when passport work a lot better with more business using passport, are user continue to stick to Google map and don't use passport??). So either someone is so mad about Apple Map that they refuse to use any future location based app that tie into Apple map or Apple will regain the user base overtime.

It's not my refusal to work with Apple's Maps, it's Apple's Maps refusal to work for me. The serious lack of up to date POI is just the tip of the problem. For me and everyone around me, the addresses are wrong. Sometimes it's a few hundred feet, other times it's up to a mile, but they're off.

That means that features I once had and used, location based reminders, Find My Phone/ Friends, etc, will not work until Apple fixes the maps. If any of the nearby stores used Passbook, it'd be the same problem.

There isn't any alternative solution in iOS.


Apple map roll out is a disaster. There is no way to sugar coat it. It could have brought down any other company and Scott Fostall should have been fired for misleading his boss and the user alike. Fortunately Apple has enough good will and strong enough product and ecosystem to withstand the fiasco.

Where is this "good will" you speak of? When the iPhone 4 had an antenna problem, the CEO stood before the public, said that it would work fine if they just held it properly, and STILL offered free bumpers to everyone.

With this, the CEO has publicly apologized and recommended their competitors products, but didn't offer any good will or solutions to the problems they've created. Features my phone had and used a few weeks ago no longer do and the only solution I receive is "we're working on it, but we don't know when it will be fixed so you just need to be more patient."


That's not good will. That's Apple turning their back on a customer and damaging their reputation.
 
I think its awful also (SORRY!)


I tried looking up bestbuy and it didnt work and so i had to look it up on google maps and it worked.


then another time looked for directions for a store and it wasnt even there, it was a half a mile off!!!


And I dont use maps a lot! It only worked fine 3/5 times i used it on IOS 6!!! I miss google maps!!
 
I can quickly disprove your long post. I've owned every iphone model except iphone 5. I decided to try something else solely because google maps is no longer available on the iphone. Google Maps will never be integrated into the iphone like it used to be. Apple products are just toys now.

Google maps was never in the iPhone. It was only Google Maps Lite.
 

I imagine that the original error occurred from searching for "Toyota" and then choosing the closest location.

Also, since Apple reads all the bad publicity, they probably corrected the Toyota location as soon as it hit the web. Apple pays close attention to the big name commentators and fixes stuff pretty quick for them.
 
Let's follow your thesis assuming that the damage is already done.. What does it do to the Iphone 5 sales so far? Nothing much that I can tell.. Apple is still selling as many as Iphone 5 as they can make.
I think you're misunderstanding what I wrote.

I don't think ip5 sales are going to take a hit. You're assuming that, and I never said it.

However, I do think that Apple maps, as an app (a product), has taken a severe hit, and could very well be dead. This does, of course, assume that google or someone comes out with a decent "google-maps-like" app. Google is certainly working on such an app, although it'll be interesting to see how crippled it is. At the very least, the reputation of apple maps will take a very long time to recover -- there's just been too much public bad press.

Basically, if there ever is an app that is equivalent to the old Apple (google) maps, with similar features and equivalent ease-of-use (this is very important, as the recent streetview mobile web interface shows), I think many (most?) people will just drop-kick Apple maps and never look back. Apple maps will end up being another "ping" (this isn't necessarily a bad thing, as Apple has huge amounts of cash, and can thus afford many disasters).
 
Google maps was never in the iPhone. It was only Google Maps Lite.

In terms of accuracy, it's head and shoulders above Apple's disaster. What use is a Map if it's not accurate?

If Apple wanted to spur Google into bringing turn-by-turn to the iPhone, what better way than to introduce Apple Maps (the acknowledged alpha version) side-by-side with Google Maps in the iPhone and allow users to choose in iOS which version they want their mapping apps to link to?

Apple could do that even now--the firestorm of criticism would quickly die down.

All Apple has to do in iOS 6.1 is to restore Google Maps and implement the means to choose which one to use.
 
In terms of accuracy, it's head and shoulders above Apple's disaster. What use is a Map if it's not accurate?

If Apple wanted to spur Google into bringing turn-by-turn to the iPhone, what better way than to introduce Apple Maps (the acknowledged alpha version) side-by-side with Google Maps in the iPhone and allow users to choose in iOS which version they want their mapping apps to link to?

Apple could do that even now--the firestorm of criticism would quickly die down.

All Apple has to do in iOS 6.1 is to restore Google Maps and implement the means to choose which one to use.

That's exactly what they did. Now google will release their new and improved maps app for the iOS. This would never happen if Apple hadn't pushed to do it.

Competition is good. More maps for all.

By the way, google maps lite had 100% less turn by turn directions. A big deal. Why have a map if you need to use another one to drive?

Zombie debates....
 
I think its awful also (SORRY!)


I tried looking up bestbuy and it didnt work and so i had to look it up on google maps and it worked.


then another time looked for directions for a store and it wasnt even there, it was a half a mile off!!!


And I dont use maps a lot! It only worked fine 3/5 times i used it on IOS 6!!! I miss google maps!!

Funny you say that. I had the same issue. Instead of Best Buy, directions took me to Home Depot. I also do not use maps a lot and only tried because of the complaints documented on this site. Needless to say I have downloaded Map Quest and will be using this app until further notice.
 
This issue is not going to go away. Slick and accurate map functionality is pivotal to my & wife's iPhone experience.

Already I an blocked from installing the current BBC iPlayer app (another pivotal item) due to the fact that I cannot upgrade to IOS 6 for the Maps reason.
 
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