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Apparently Apple doesn't understand what a beta is. This looks like an alpha release, and an early one at that. After all this time, people reasonably expect better than this.

So I guess we should believe that your right, and Apple is wrong? Im willing to at least give Apple the benefit of the doubt and wait to see how the future beta's turnout.
 
I have to disagree. You are assuming Apple is using their own data. They supposedly sourcing TomTom and Microsoft data (I bet TomTom for drivable maps, Microsoft for Satellite imagery). For the Beta they might be using dummy or reduced test data - pulling from non-production servers etc. They might be focused on the front end interface for testing, and simply link to production data the day of cutover. I wouldn't worry about it - until it releases. If it sucks then - complain away.

Beta doesn't even begin to describe these maps. If they're going to launch in the Autumn (and we're almost at midsummer now) then they should be data complete. All digitisation (cartography) rendered in final form, and all imagery uploaded.

Beta should be about checking the stability of the front end app and the performance of the back end infrastructure.
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I'm assuming that those complaining are developers and have already raised bugs? Right?

Why another one of those posts. Most of the issues raised in this thread are not bugs, nobody in here is talking about crashing or debugging. Those are bugs, this is just poor standards.
 
To all those confused: 'beta' in the software development world means that a piece of software is feature-complete and no functionality can be added. It is only a time for bug-fixing. Google presented the idea of 'beta' to mean a 'preview', but that's incorrect. Apple generally follows the traditional view of beta -- they are not going to be dramatically changing anything about iOS6 at this point.

These simple mapping bugs like improperly-positioned labels will be fixed by release, but the errors in the street pathing will not. Not anytime soon, anyway. As others have said, these are cartographic errors with the mapping data. There will also be no Street View, and no walking or metro directions.

I always assumed any mapping solution Apple came out with would have to be at least as good as Google's. Because people don't care about Apple and Google's turf war; they just want a really great mapping solution. Apple has had three years and $100B to make it happen, and somehow they've gone into the weeds. It's baffling.

And unless Google has given up on Android as a platform leader, I doubt we will see a fully-functional Google Maps on iOS6. Why would they want to give iPhone customers a reason to stick with Apple?
My sentiments exactly. I don't care about Apple's spat with Google. I just want a slick mapping service on my phone. I feel like that's what we've already got with the cartography provided by Google, and Apple is just removing it and replacing it with something potentially functionally inferior and certainly uglier.
 
I have to disagree. You are assuming Apple is using their own data. They supposedly sourcing TomTom and Microsoft data (I bet TomTom for drivable maps, Microsoft for Satellite imagery). For the Beta they might be using dummy or reduced test data - pulling from non-production servers etc. They might be focused on the front end interface for testing, and simply link to production data the day of cutover. I wouldn't worry about it - until it releases. If it sucks then - complain away.

That would make no business sense. Why preview crappy maps in the beta, make everyone think they're garbage and go to other devices, then show that they're actually good with the final release?

Just because something is in beta doesn't mean it has a free pass to be incomplete rubbish. It's meant to show the final product, but beta releases are to iron out bugs prior to the official release.
 
I have to disagree. You are assuming Apple is using their own data. They supposedly sourcing TomTom and Microsoft data (I bet TomTom for drivable maps, Microsoft for Satellite imagery). For the Beta they might be using dummy or reduced test data - pulling from non-production servers etc. They might be focused on the front end interface for testing, and simply link to production data the day of cutover. I wouldn't worry about it - until it releases. If it sucks then - complain away.

Apple is using OSM, TomTom and Microsoft. OSM provides the mapping, TomTom provides maps data, OSM provides the maps and Microsoft provides the imagery.

For the beta, they probably wouldn't be using "test" data, in fact, it'd be foolish for them to use test data, given the nature. Whilst it could be true that they are using out-dated data, this doesn't make sense either.

The fact of the matter is, they are likely to be using a dataset that's not from that long ago, and it is missing a lot and lacking in things. IMO, Google Maps still provides a better comprehensive service at this time.
 
Why another one of those posts. Most of the issues raised in this thread are not bugs, nobody in here is talking about crashing or debugging. Those are bugs, this is just poor standards.

They're still things you report via Apple's bug reporter. As a dev, you're meant to report anything that doesn't function the way you want, be it a feature request, something that's poorly implemented, something that crashes, something that could be better if only they X…

Obviously Apple won't do all the things that get asked for. But you're still meant to send in the reports, as part of their process for deciding where to expend effort is based on how many duplicate reports the thing gets.
 
Considering this is Macrumors, is anybody here annoyed that Apple is using imagery from Microsoft?
 
Here's my satellite view hahahahaha:

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In reality, aren't they just using TomTom maps?

They claimed the cartography as their own. Not OSM or TomTom. Certainly some information comes from TomTom (or more specifically Tele-Atlas) however the style guide and digitisation I would say are Apple's.
 
Apple is using OSM, TomTom and Microsoft. OSM provides the mapping, TomTom provides maps data, OSM provides the maps and Microsoft provides the imagery.

For the beta, they probably wouldn't be using "test" data, in fact, it'd be foolish for them to use test data, given the nature. Whilst it could be true that they are using out-dated data, this doesn't make sense either.

The fact of the matter is, they are likely to be using a dataset that's not from that long ago, and it is missing a lot and lacking in things. IMO, Google Maps still provides a better comprehensive service at this time.

Wrong

No mention of OSM in the legal notices in settings or MSFT under Maps for that matter.
 
Wrong

No mention of OSM in the legal notices in settings or MSFT under Maps for that matter.

There is if you scroll to the bottom of that link i just posted...
 
Hmmmm. There's also the OS OpenData licence published there... Are they using VectorMap local?
 
To all those confused: 'beta' in the software development world means that a piece of software is feature-complete and no functionality can be added. It is only a time for bug-fixing. Google presented the idea of 'beta' to mean a 'preview', but that's incorrect. Apple generally follows the traditional view of beta -- they are not going to be dramatically changing anything about iOS6 at this point.

These simple mapping bugs like improperly-positioned labels will be fixed by release, but the errors in the street pathing will not. Not anytime soon, anyway. As others have said, these are cartographic errors with the mapping data. There will also be no Street View, and no walking or metro directions.

I always assumed any mapping solution Apple came out with would have to be at least as good as Google's. Because people don't care about Apple and Google's turf war; they just want a really great mapping solution. Apple has had three years and $100B to make it happen, and somehow they've gone into the weeds. It's baffling.

And unless Google has given up on Android as a platform leader, I doubt we will see a fully-functional Google Maps on iOS6. Why would they want to give iPhone customers a reason to stick with Apple?
This. I just want the best maps app possible. I could care less whether Apple and Google get along.
 
As much as I'd love for Apple to put out a maps offering that is as good as Google's, I really just don't think it's going to happen. I highly doubt that Apple will be able to replicate street view and the overall amount of detail that Google has in its maps. After all, Google has been at it for several years. Honestly, the flyover feature just seems like a subpar version of street view.
 
Why another one of those posts. Most of the issues raised in this thread are not bugs, nobody in here is talking about crashing or debugging. Those are bugs, this is just poor standards.

I think the term "poor standards" would only apply if this was the final version. It might just be an excuse on their part, but it is also a plausible excuse that you have to accept given the fact Apple themselves warned that not much high res data was available yet. You can't blame somebody for not providing something when they gave you fair warning of that fact in advance.
 
I think Apple's Maps look visually appealing compared to Google's. I just hope they can somehow add flyover and satellite view to more places.
 
LOL, they are a little off on the oceans eh? Even for a beta, that's friggin embarassing.:eek:

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Here's my satellite view hahahahaha:

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Looks like you live in downtown Baghdad. LOL!

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um, beta 1

Yeah but still, you got to admit that's laughable. Look at the ocean labels? This isn't JoeBlow's software company, it's Apple, one of the most valuable companies in the world and they put that out? Beta or not, it aint good.
 
http://www.apple.com/ios/ios6/maps/?cid=mc-features-uk-g-map-applemaps

this tells me they don't have some crazy back end switch to flip to change colours/make roads thicker/increase labels on their maps...

Really?
Then the term "vector-based engine" doesn't mean what I though it did.
Looking at the Apple map and where it goes wrong it would seem like their data is centreline of road and street width.

I personally like were they seem to be going with Maps, finally dropping that paper map hold over of showing streets wider to fit labels. To me having the true urban grain gives a better sense of place, which was traded to get a map on fixed paper.

Yeah the data clearly isn't there yet. Still if their map engine can pull app sourced "transit" data like they said in the keynote, then there could well be a lot of additional data in there by the time it ships.
 
Wow.... I will make sure to tell iOS users I know not to update to iOS 6. Maybe it is good we aren't getting iOS 6 on the iPad 1, as at least this app is a horrendous downgrade. Downgrading seems to be the trend with Apple lately though, such as with Final Cut Pro 9 to 10, iPhoto 9 to year 11, iMovie 06 HD to iMovie 08, and OS X 10.6 to 10.7.
 
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