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Improvements? Like pre-roll ads? Or no background audio? Or no video in AirPlay streams? Or no native iPad support?

Being able to watch the videos that require adverts is better than anything you list IMO.

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Google wouldn't let apple have it for ages at the start.... Plus apple wanted turn by turn integrated, google wouldn't allow it unless Google could have its crappy latitude service included natively....

[Citation Needed]

All of this is conjecture.

It's certainly believable, but it hasn't been proven.

I don't really see how Google Latitude would be a bad thing to trade for Turn By Turn. The cost to Google of providing it is quite large. Google Latitude is an opt-in service, so it would have no impact on anyone that doesn't want to use it.
 
Look at the YouTube App. Apple's YouTube App saw no real improvements between iOS 1 and 5, yet Google's just released its own YouTube app with a multitude of improvements over the old one.

Improvements? Like pre-roll ads? Or no background audio? Or no video in AirPlay streams? Or no native iPad support?

Being able to watch the videos that have adverts is better than anything you list IMO.

Videos that won't play until you watch an ad (i.e."pre-roll ads") are somehow better than videos without ads?

Eric Schmidt? Is that you? ;)
 
Being able to watch the videos that require adverts is better than anything you list IMO.

WTF?! Are you mental? Videos with ads are better than background audio or proper airplay?!

[Citation Needed]

All of this is conjecture.

It's certainly believable, but it hasn't been proven.

I don't really see how Google Latitude would be a bad thing to trade for Turn By Turn. The cost to Google of providing it is quite large. Google Latitude is an opt-in service, so it would have no impact on anyone that doesn't want to use it.

There are various articles with quotes from relevant parties online if you look. I'm not in a position to go looking at the moment so I can't link them at this time
 
Have you seen the Google maps features on Android? Fandroids like to boast how they've had those features for so long, well... Why didn't the benevolent 'do no evil' Google pit those features on the iPhone? It wasn't enough for Schmidt to sit on Apple's board of directors and pilfer their ideas? The map app we relied on was intentionally Gimped by Google! So Apple had to make their own map, since Google wouldn't act in good faith for iOS users. Schmidt should be in prison for corporate espionage and for being a douche to the very people he ripped off!

This is your argument?

Why isn't there ANY Apple features on Android, no Facetime, no I message, no find my friends......You have to use 3rd party Apps and GOOGLE apps that work on both like Latitude which is like find my friends except for Android and iOS.

Secondly, you can't blame Google for a lackluster iOS mapping experience. Last I checked the iPhone was out before a Windows phone, so why did Microsoft have the foresight to get Nokia for their maps which are pretty damn good in comparison....
 
Seriously I've used Apple Maps 4 times in the car, and once on a 10k run.

Flawless every time, and for the 10k run it picked out the perfect route that Google Maps didn't even think of (nor did I).
 
WTF?! Are you mental? Videos with ads are better than background audio or proper airplay?!

I don't ever listen to just the audio from YouTube videos and I've never seen a device that works with AirPlay.

I HAVE seen videos that you can only play if you watch ads though - they're incredibly popular.

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There are various articles with quotes from relevant parties online if you look. I'm not in a position to go looking at the moment so I can't link them at this time

I have looked, but none of them are reliable enough.

Things don't add up.
 
I don't ever listen to just the audio from YouTube videos and I've never seen a device that works with AirPlay.

I HAVE seen videos that you can only play if you watch ads though - they're incredibly popular

I'd rather have videos with no adverts and the ability to AirPlay than videos with adverts....
 
I can't believe anyone could be defending Apple over this. The Apple Defence League need to take their heads out of the sand for once. I realise this is fanboy central, but im still shocked that anyone is this deluded. This is, without doubt, the worst thing apple have ever produced. It's not even the fact that its not as good... it's actually broken. There are so many huge errors I don't have the time to constantly report them. And why should I have too? I paid a lot of money to Apple for a working product, this is not a beta test I have agreed to participate in, nor have I agreed to take part in crowd sourcing project. And futher more, I have absolutely not trust in Apple Maps so I can't use them. I can't spend time reporting errors in a product I don't use. There is no way I could trust it to get me to where I want to go.

Agreed. Defenders offer up BS about Google having had time to perfect maps. Thing was, nobody had a map before Google started that and however Google maps were in the beginning it was eye-popping. So over time Google only raised the bar. We expect a certain level of detail, functionality, and accuracy in a Google maps app. No excuse for Apple to enter the map fray with anything operating less, much less broken.
 
And for those of us who rely on apps which are now borderline useless thanks to Apple's maps? I don't need directions, but I do need my fitness and realty apps to continue working...now they don't.

What apps for fitnes and real estate are you referencing?
 
Secondly, you can't blame Google for a lackluster iOS mapping experience. Last I checked the iPhone was out before a Windows phone, so why did Microsoft have the foresight to get Nokia for their maps which are pretty damn good in comparison....

If they don't ship the new Windows 8 phones soon, that may be the only value Microsoft gets out of Nokia.
 
As one example - but name your preference. I choose Google because they are doing a lot of work on this. It seems like, every time somebody names the amount of data Google have and the way this get translated to maps, people hijack this and make it into a debate on looks/aesthetics - in my view it's only a small part of this debate (Google actually put some work into how to present this information in several ways (but i do understand taste plays a part).

I bring up aethetics and working environment and interface because I use others that are far better than both Google and Apple's old and new interface. The data set is very complete and if it doesn't find enough results for me to be satisfied, I simply pull up another of the apps at my disposal for navigation, maps and POI. That's the nice thing about having a smart phone like the iPhone....choices in apps.

Google has a massive Database and you can edit this in many ways, I submitted around 100 improvements to Apple Maps over the last two days... haven't heard a ting, it takes ages to do and is a downright annoying process.

So since maybe Friday (last 2 days) you expected to hear back from them :confused:

The question again - why do people believe this thing will surpass Google Maps (or what ever your personal preference is) in a short while?

Because I've seen others in the market place put together nice map/navigation apps than Google. There are several out there. Again, in the app store there are tons of apps specializing in public transportation, POI, Maps etc.....

In reality if so, so many people don't like the decision to oust Google's play in maps and refuse to use anything but that one app, I suppose they can go to an Android device. I think Apple figures with the limitations their new maps presents the gaps would be filled by other apps from the choosing.

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The biggest failure isn't that Apple replaced Google as the main mapping app, it's that they didn't have Google come out with the old app in the app store to be available day 1 when iOS 6 went public.

I would say the above is likely more on the shoulders of Google to do than Apple.

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Really? The iPhone is now not a great phone because of maps? I never realized people needed maps to guide them out the front door and now they have a useless device.

^^ this. again, I'm still searching for all the pre-iOS6 threads that discussed the old Maps being the main reason people loved their iPhones.
 
What apps for fitnes and real estate are you referencing?

Take your pick on any of the above. Addresses are wrong and the maps aren't nearly as detailed or show walking/bike paths as Google's did. No matter which fitness app (MapMyFitness, RunKeeper, Nike+, etc), it now simply shows me as a dot in a barren landscape.

Real Estate apps- Zillow, for example, lists myself and 51 of my neighbors' homes on the same exact point on the map- in the middle of the woods over a hundred yards from anything else.
 
The biggest problem with the new maps is that is not yet a solid base for Apple to build off of. I'd speculate that user experience across iOS will be less than what it could actually be until maps is working off a solid set of data.
 
You are right is perhaps being made a bigger issue than it is, however Apple should not have released it, unless it was at least as good as the previous version.

According to many that isn't possible as Google has a 7 year head start, 7k+ people working on it and will continue to evolve too. Based on those posts I'm predicting that all map/navigation companies to close their doors shortly because none of them have quality product. :rolleyes:

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Does pdqgb work for Apple?

Nope I work in the Medical Devices arena with a background in engineering and a I also run a photo studio.
 
Seriously I've used Apple Maps 4 times in the car, and once on a 10k run.

Flawless every time, and for the 10k run it picked out the perfect route that Google Maps didn't even think of (nor did I).

Your not allowed to have a positive experience or outlook in Apple maps in this thread. (Sarcasm)

If Apple shut down I'd wager about a quarter of the world would be lost.
 
Agreed. Defenders offer up BS about Google having had time to perfect maps. Thing was, nobody had a map before Google started that and however Google maps were in the beginning it was eye-popping. So over time Google only raised the bar. We expect a certain level of detail, functionality, and accuracy in a Google maps app. No excuse for Apple to enter the map fray with anything operating less, much less broken.


Microsoft virtual earth and mapquest had turn by turn in the '90s
 
According to many that isn't possible as Google has a 7 year head start, 7k+ people working on it and will continue to evolve too. Based on those posts I'm predicting that all map/navigation companies to close their doors shortly because none of them have quality product. :rolleyes:

Which App would you recommend on the App Store that's as good as or better than Google Maps (or approaching it)?

(At least in terms of the map quality and the basic features that iOS 5 had like Search, POIs etc.)

There are some very good Apps out there (Waze is one my favourites), but they tend to go after a specific niche in the market (often turn by turn navigation) rather than an all-round Mapping app. Waze (intentionally) doesn't offer certain features because it's designed by people who drive a car.

Waze is a very interesting example, as it really highlights how complex mapping can be. One of the major issues that they have is not how accurate the layout or route of a road is, but where people can turn. Regular maps don't show which way you can turn at any specific junction.

Also consider the price. There are apps out there for Navigation, but they're usually very expensive because of the cost of the maps (and you don't get updated maps included).
 
According to many that isn't possible as Google has a 7 year head start, 7k+ people working on it and will continue to evolve too. Based on those posts I'm predicting that all map/navigation companies to close their doors shortly because none of them have quality product. :rolleyes:

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Nope I work in the Medical Devices arena with a background in engineering and a I also run a photo studio.

Not sure why you are spending such a large amount of time responding to every complaint then. Apple should pay you for your efforts.
 
I could ask you the same thing.

The OP made a very good point. Apple has now found itself in a difficult position...for the sake of their reputation they must now sink significant resources into playing catch up and they must do it quickly.

It's called competition, I thought this was explained in HS.
 
What I don't understand is why it's so badly broken. I know some of the mapping data and services they are using are actually quite good here in the UK; Openstreetmap and teleatlas. They certainly don't have all the roads and villages missing near me, so why when they have been aggregated by Apple have they gone AWOL?

So maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel, as the data they have access to is fundamentally ok. They have just made a complete mess of the way they are using it. Either way, it should never have been released like this. It's not even beta standard IMO, it's an alpha release at best.
 
So maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel, as the data they have access to is fundamentally ok. They have just made a complete mess of the way they are using it.

That's certainly one of the problems. It's hard to tell exactly what they're using from each provider - and where.

They certainly don't seem to be using the actual road layers from OSM.

There's a lot that goes into the maps:

-Basic road vectors (the location and layout of roads)
-Road rules (e.g. one-way, no right turn etc.)
-Road Names/Numbers/Classification
-House Numbers
-Search
-Postal Code Lookup/Geocoding
-Geographical features (rivers, lakes, forests etc.)
-Human features (man-made equivalents of the above - parks and so on)
-POIs
-Satellite Imagery
-3D Images (where appropriate)
-Traffic

It might be that Apple is only getting Traffic data from Waze and nothing else. OpenStreetMap might be used for POIs in some places but nothing else.

Licencing Satellite images from Tele Atlas/TomTom might be affordable, but buying the rights to use their road maps for turn by turn navigation might not be.

You also have to consider what developers can do with the Maps. Something like Find My Friends would require a more expensive licence because you're tracking things.
 
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I know what you mean. iMessage is another compete waste.
If you are quoting me to flame, look up the word sarcasm first.

However iMessage doesn't remove any functionality - if you don't want to use it, you don't have too. Also it is good way to avoid being overcharged when roaming.

It also adds some other nice functionality like being able to reply from computer.

So no, iMessage can't be compared to maps fiasco.

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Apple has over $100 billion in cash, they have unlimited resources. There is no reason not to make a maps app. In time, it will be good. :cool:

There is no such thing as unlimited resources.

This whole maps fiasco has hurt us loyal apple consumers in two ways - first we got degraded mapping experience and secondly we got an underwhelming iOS / macosx releases as apple shifted resources onto Maps project.

No wonder iWork hasn't seen an upgrade in several years.
 
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