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WSJ: Apple Apps Unfairly Dominate App Store Search Results
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But if you search for Spotify... and SoundCloud is above it... will you really download that instead? And forget all about what you searched for initially?
Sure they both play music... and they both start with "S"... but SoundCloud is not Spotify. They're two different products.
Or a more recent example: everyone has been talking about FaceApp. So you search for it and there's some other app called FacePlace in the top spot. It might be a cool app... or it might be total junk.
But it's simply not the app you're looking for. So wouldn't you go back to the search results and try to find the correct app?
Maybe I'm weird... but if I search for something... I want that particular thing. I won't settle for something else just because it happens to be at the top of the list.
As for Google web search... yeah I know all the SEO tricks.
But if I'm searching for Kobalt tools from Lowes... and there are a bunch of Home Depot links at the top... I'll keep scrolling until I find the Lowes listings.
If that's all "we" have to say... we should probably keep quiet. Or actually contribute to the thread.
I think my original point was lost somewhere.But if you search for Spotify... and SoundCloud is above it... will you really download that instead? And forget all about what you searched for initially?
Sure they both play music... and they both start with "S"... but SoundCloud is not Spotify. They're two different products.
Or a more recent example: everyone has been talking about FaceApp. So you search for it and there's some other app called FacePlace in the top spot. It might be a cool app... or it might be total junk.
But it's simply not the app you're looking for. So wouldn't you go back to the search results and try to find the correct app?
Maybe I'm weird... but if I search for something... I want that particular thing. I won't settle for something else just because it happens to be at the top of the list.
As for Google web search... yeah I know all the SEO tricks.
But if I'm searching for Kobalt tools from Lowes... and there are a bunch of Home Depot links at the top... I'll keep scrolling until I find the Lowes listings.
If all things are equal, and one app receives 2x more page views, it's going to win out in the end.
Look closer. You will notice that Google maps is an ad. Google is paying for the placement...
Some people just do not understand the issue and use silly analogies which have no equivalency.
I don’t know about other people, but I always get the Apple app as opposed to a competitor. This is for a few reasons:
Additionally, if you’re doing a relevance search strictly on name, Apple’s names are much more concise. If I search “maps” on the App Store then “Maps” (the name of Apple Maps) is an exact hit, where “Google Maps - Transit & Food” is only is 14% match (4 of the 28 characters in the app name). I imagine that is at least some sort of factor in the search engine, because it doesn’t matter how many people like the app, if it’s not what I was trying to search for.
- It’s free, and other apps need to make money off of “free”, which means ads or trying to scrape my personal data
- I trust Apple over other developers (see point 1 for clarification)
- There’s usually a macOS, iPad, iPhone, Apple Watch, and AppleTV app, which means I can use the same app on all my devices and have consistency.
- Because of point 3, I usually have Handoff set up out of the box
- Because of point 3, I usually have iCloud sync between devices out of the box
- Because of point 3, I know there’s a very slim chance the developer will abandon the app.
- Points 3-6 is how Apple makes money on the free apps. The fact that the app works on so many devices means I’ll probably buy more of their devices and stay invested in the ecosystem. For me this is a good thing because it brings me confidence in the product I’m receiving.
Additionally, if you’re doing a relevance search strictly on name, Apple’s names are much more concise. If I search “maps” on the App Store then “Maps” (the name of Apple Maps) is an exact hit, where “Google Maps - Transit & Food” is only is 14% match (4 of the 28 characters in the app name). I imagine that is at least some sort of factor in the search engine, because it doesn’t matter how many people like the app, if it’s not what I was trying to search for.
Not being an ass, but I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Could you possibly be in the wrong thread?
This thread quickly boiled down to the group that "Apple can do no wrong" and everyone else.
If we flipped this and it was found Google was doing that on the play store. The same group scream and defending Apple I am willing to bet would be out for blood attacking group.
The first result was an ad. 2nd result was apple maps. 3rd result is google maps.
So Apple system goes Ads then order. Google maps is ranked 2nd to Apple maps.
If we flipped this and it was found Google was doing that on the play store. The same group scream and defending Apple I am willing to bet would be out for blood attacking group.
The point that was being made was the person stated that Google maps comes above apple maps. It does not.
The first result was an ad. 2nd result was apple maps. 3rd result is google maps.
So Apple system goes Ads then order. Google maps is ranked 2nd to Apple maps.
Yeah, I still have no idea what you're referencing. I engaged with no one in this thread that said anything about Google maps. Sorry bud.
Your argument only works if Apple has monopoly power in the industry. The truth is, Apple only has the (largely smaller) minority market share of the SmartPhone industry.
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Very unlikely!
Neither of the case you described should EVER be investigated for antitrust, wasting tax payer's money.
In Apple's case, it should not be investigated because Apple only holds a largely smaller minority market share of the SmartPhone industry, so it's FAR FAR FAR from having any monopoly power.
In Google Play store's case, it should not be investigated because there are plenty of other methods to install apps onto your Android phone, and Google Play store doesn't hold a monopoly share in Android app download/install land.
Good, because Apple's app is almost certainly the one I want.
You do not need to be a monopoly to get busted or investigated for illegal abuse of power or bad business practice. Generally speaking you just have to be one of the mega players.
In this case Apple is one of the big boys. In the smart phone world there is Android and iOS. It is a duopoly. Apple is a member of the duopoly. They are big enough that they can abuse their raw size and power to suppress the market.
Or are you going to say Apple is not a mega player there and as such small fries?
When you walk down the aisle of the supermarket, the best selling items are at arm height not high up or low down. They tend to be own-brand products or if it's branded, sometimes the brand pays for the premium space or sometimes it's just that it's the product that clearly makes the most profit.
So Apple offers own brand products first, why is that any diifferent?
So Apple offers own brand products first, why is that any diifferent?
Maybe not Walmart (but I've never seen a Walmart) but there are other stores and they all feature their own brand most prominently. Most supermarkets have spent the last 20 years building their own brands and branding isn't at all what it was. The branded product will get premium space if it makes more profit or if they pay for it.
There is regularly a competition for supermarket space-aisle ends particularly, and suppliers actually pay for it. They also have to pay a lot to even get in the store nowadays.
So yes, it is something they very much do and I'll bet that if an app paid enough they'd be first in the Apple store too.
do peole read any of these comments before replying or is it a nowadays problem that people needs to be loud before even reading what was said already?? laziness? the same and the same questions asked and answered again and again... ”why is it bad when apple...” - well, read the whole thread, answered already millions of times. if you have something more to add, then reply...
i think all of us should stop replying question already asked and answered in the same thread.. this thread is a good example of people who just need to be loud without bothering to listen others...
i think all of us should stop replying question already asked and answered in the same thread.. this thread is a good example of people who just need to be loud without bothering to listen others...
Legitimate in your head maybe. Like most people, I can't read minds. I still have no idea what you're asking. There's no context to your question.
You're taking my analogy far too literally. A platform prioritizing advertising of their own products is a non-story.
Again only applies when there are another choices and one player player does not dominate the market.
Amazon is heading down the path to have the hammer come down on them.
In this cause the guy hit it on the head. The amazon defense is not the same and at best a bad example to say it was ok for Apple.
Hell even google has a better defense than Apple but if you would be defending Google like you are Apple here then maybe it might hold some water. I would say even google would be in trouble but at least google has a defense as there are legitimate alternatives to get on Android with out going threw the play store. Please provide a legitimate alternative for a company to get on the iOS defense.