WSJ: Thinner iPad and Retina iPad Mini Expected on Tuesday

dylin said:
Thank you for clearing it up more. I think some people just like seeing the letter "X." They probably feel that an added letter makes up for a more powerful device :p

I am curious though, where did you find the source for the clock speed?
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Sure I read it on one of Sonny Dickson's tweets. Basically the retina iPad will have an increase clock speed for the increase of calculations for the larger resolution as well as a more powerful GPU ( there is only the G6630 to choose from). The iPad mini would run basically like a 64bit iPad 4(using the A7 at 1.3Ghz to output the same as the iPad 4 for both in terms of CPU and GPU). Where as the iPad 5 needs a valid increase in performance to set the difference between the mini and the 5 apart. Dickson also leaked that the iPad minis specs were as follows;
-A7 chip (which will be clocked at 1.3Ghz, the same as the iPhone 5S)
-G6430 (this is a given if it is the A7)
-1Gb of RAM (DDR2 or DDR3, not sure)

And the iPad 5 as follows;

-A7X (clocked between 1.4-1.7Ghz, I guess 1.4-1.5Ghz)(still dual core)
-2Gb of RAM (just another thing to set aside the differences between the 5 and the mini, plus it has been 2 years with iPads having 1 Gb of RAM, I think this leak is 100% right).

Sonny Dickson is certainly a valid and trusted source for this as he was the one that leaked all of the iPhone 5C and 5S images, specs, and also all of the iPad mini 2 and iPad 5 images (well most of). He was 100% right the the 5C and 5S so I certainly trust him; and I now take his word as fact.

We will find out tomorrow for what the CPU is in the mini and 5 by name (A7 and A7X) but will have to wait a few days before release for the teardowns (I go to Anandtech) as that will tell us the clock speed, GPU, and RAM...
 
mrmarts said:
So its worth going for the Ipad 5 for performance!
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Easily; the iPad 5 is going to have to use the G6630 GPU (as the 5S got the G6430; iPad needs and always has had a better GPU).

The iPhone 5S actually got a 2.67X increase in overall graphical performance (from 28.8Gflops to 76.8Gflops). This is what the mini 2 will output at (76.8).

The iPad 5 could go a few ways;

-A 2X jump up to 155Gflops (this is what the Xbox 360's GPU performs at)

-A 2.67X jump upto 205Gflops ( beats a PS3 which outputs at 174Gflops graphically)

-A 3-5X jump(unlikely) upto around 250-300Gflops.

Remember that even if Apple say it is a 2X jump for GPU, it can still (and met probably will be) 2.67X jump. That's what happened with the iPhone 5S, they said 2X, but in fact was 2.67X.

At least in terms of graphics; it is looking like the iPad 5 will be the first to overtake current gen consoles. I WILL beat the 360 at 155Gflops; but I think it will overtake the ps3 as well.
 
MartinAppleGuy said:
Sure I read it on one of Sonny Dickson's tweets. Basically the retina iPad will have an increase clock speed for the increase of calculations for the larger resolution as well as a more powerful GPU ( there is only the G6630 to choose from). The iPad mini would run basically like a 64bit iPad 4(using the A7 at 1.3Ghz to output the same as the iPad 4 for both in terms of CPU and GPU). Where as the iPad 5 needs a valid increase in performance to set the difference between the mini and the 5 apart. Dickson also leaked that the iPad minis specs were as follows;
-A7 chip (which will be clocked at 1.3Ghz, the same as the iPhone 5S)
-G6430 (this is a given if it is the A7)
-1Gb of RAM (DDR2 or DDR3, not sure)

And the iPad 5 as follows;

-A7X (clocked between 1.4-1.7Ghz, I guess 1.4-1.5Ghz)(still dual core)
-2Gb of RAM (just another thing to set aside the differences between the 5 and the mini, plus it has been 2 years with iPads having 1 Gb of RAM, I think this leak is 100% right).

Sonny Dickson is certainly a valid and trusted source for this as he was the one that leaked all of the iPhone 5C and 5S images, specs, and also all of the iPad mini 2 and iPad 5 images (well most of). He was 100% right the the 5C and 5S so I certainly trust him; and I now take his word as fact.

We will find out tomorrow for what the CPU is in the mini and 5 by name (A7 and A7X) but will have to wait a few days before release for the teardowns (I go to Anandtech) as that will tell us the clock speed, GPU, and RAM...
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Please find me any where were Sony Dickson said the Ipad 5 will have an A7X, you won't, because it wasn't him who said it.
 
Rogifan said:
Since people are still waiting for 5S's perhaps there are supply issues with the sensors. Or maybe not everything was leaked to WSJ so there will be some surprises on Tuesday.
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I do hope there are some surprises tomorrow. It will be a lot more fun than the September event if there are some things we don't know ahead of time. I sure hope it's live streamed too.
 
am i the only person who things that shrinking the bezel on the full size ipad will make it hard to hold when your reading a book ? i have issues with the ipad mini, but at least that is small enough i can wrap my hand around the back and hold it "finger to thumb tip"

The full size iPad i like to hold in one hand, and my thumb fits nicely in the existing bezel, if they shrink it, ill be randomly triggering the touch screen at the edge im holding it
 
Michael CM1 said:
Has nobody created a rendering since iOS 7 was released? C'mon!

Ah, still wish I could afford to get a new one. Why? Because. The only actual good reason I have is I would love to ditch all of my 30-pin cables now. But that's not worth the $400 difference from selling an iPad 3 to getting and iPad 5 32GB.

Hopefully the Touch ID eventually makes it there. Maybe not now due to yield concerns, but perhaps in the next generation.
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No they want to keep their renderings on attractive and functional OS's
 
JoshAlfie said:
I doesn't make sense to me that the mini will have an A7 processor. It will need to drive 4x the pixels which in my opinion means it will have either the A6X or A7X processor.

Though, I'm leaning towards the A6X because I feel that Apple will want to keep its costs down.
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The A6X has the same GFLOPS like an A7 and an A7 is WAY more power-efficient than an A6X. Also, it has a WAY faster CPU (Cyclone vs. Swift). I think you need to think about that again. What you wrote doesn´t make any sense at all. The only possibility to solve that would be to shrink the A6X to raise it´s power-efficiency, which is NEEDED for the mini (and cut some costs along with it), because of the smaller battery and the rumored Retina display.

Also, what some people don´t seem to grasp:

The X doesn´t mean anything other than an extension to the A7 SoC (X = eXtended) towards more powerful graphics (because of the 2048x1536 resolution). The A7 already has 4 Rogue clusters that are extremely powerful compared to the old PowerVR 5 series cores. There is absolutely no correlation between the X and Retina other than the fact that you need more GPU performance to drive more pixels. The A7 is almost a bit too powerful (graphics wise) for a smartphone like the 5s. This thing is a monster and only needs to drive a 1136x640 resolution.
 
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MartinAppleGuy said:
The iPad mini would run basically like a 64bit iPad 4 (using the A7 at 1.3Ghz to output the same as the iPad 4 for both in terms of CPU and GPU).
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What does that even mean? There is no 64-bit iPad 4 and if there was one, it would have a different instruction set changing the speed of every operation. How could it be the same in CPU performance? The A7 doubled the CPU speed of the A6 and the A6X in the iPad 4 had the same CPU as the A6.

In my book the A7 should be a notably improvement over the A6X. Both Retina iPads have the exact same number of pixels, why should one need a better GPU than the other? And if there is in deed an A7X, why not give it to both iPads? You can't save money with giving the iPad mini "only" an A7 either.

The A7 is Apples newest 28nm chip and in high demand for the money maker iPhones. It might be slower in GPU performance than the imaginary A7X, but not any cheaper to make. I see plenty of reasons to differentiate and not put the same chip in iPads and lower priced iPad minis. But than one would use the A6X.
 
iSunrise said:
The A6X has the same GFLOPS like an A7 and an A7 is WAY more power-efficient than an A6X. Also, it has a WAY faster CPU (Cyclone vs. Swift). I think you need to think about that again. What you wrote doesn´t make any sense at all. The only possibility to solve that would be to shrink the A6X to raise it´s power-efficiency, which is NEEDED for the mini (and cut some costs along with it), because of the smaller battery and the rumored Retina display.

Also, what some people don´t seem to grasp:

The X doesn´t mean anything other than an extension to the A7 SoC (X = eXtended) towards more powerful graphics (because of the 2048x1536 resolution). The A7 already has 4 Rogue clusters that are extremely powerful compared to the old PowerVR 5 series cores. There is absolutely no correlation between the X and Retina other than the fact that you need more GPU performance to drive more pixels. The A7 is almost a bit too powerful (graphics wise) for a smartphone like the 5s. This thing is a monster and only needs to drive a 1136x640 resolution.
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Again, someone who gets it :)
 
dylin said:
Im not sure about that because the A6X is much larger and also produces more heat also because of its size.

the A6 is 32 nm process and has a die with an area of 96.71 mm^2.

the A7 is 28 nm process and has a die with an area of 102 mm^2.

the A6X is 32 nm process and has a die with an area of 123 mm^2.

So the likelihood of the mini getting a X processor is a bit of a stretch unless apple engineers found a way to shrink it even more.

One thing that could be a possibility would be having the AX7 as a whole new entire chip, with new a new architecture, and go from being a dual-core CPU with quad-core graphics, to a quad-core CPU with quad-core graphics.

Therefore actually letting the mini get the A7 (with its very capable quad-core GPU). That way, it can leave a rather big differentiating factor between the iPad 5 and iPad Mini 2.

This is all just speculation. Please just take it with a grain of salt :p
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I agree that Apple wants the transition to 64 bit to happen quickly, and die area is the the primary cost driver once in production. With the benefits of 28nm and 64 bit, moving to A7 for all of the next iPad models would be a given. Just depends on how well production has ramped, and there haven't been any negative rumors.
 
sale?

I know they get announced on tuesday, but can someone tell me a general timeframe on when they will start selling in stores and for how much? i JUST bought my ipad mini a few days ago and probably going to take it back since i havent opened it yet. Also will there be a significant price difference between the regular ipad mini and the ipad mini with retina? Thank You in Advnace:D:apple:
 
Gudi said:
What does that even mean? There is no 64-bit iPad 4 and if there was one, it would have a different instruction set changing the speed of every operation. How could it be the same in CPU performance? The A7 doubled the CPU speed of the A6 and the A6X in the iPad 4 had the same CPU as the A6.

In my book the A7 should be a notably improvement over the A6X. Both Retina iPads have the exact same number of pixels, why should one need a better GPU than the other? And if there is in deed an A7X, why not give it to both iPads? You can't save money with giving the iPad mini "only" an A7 either.

The A7 is Apples newest 28nm chip and in high demand for the money maker iPhones. It might be slower in GPU performance than the imaginary A7X, but not any cheaper to make. I see plenty of reasons to differentiate and not put the same chip in iPads and lower priced iPad minis. But than one would use the A6X.
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I said it would be like a 64bit iPad 4. And the A6X does not have the same CPU performance as the A6. It is clocked 100Mhz faster than the A6 and CPU performance increase usually varies directly with clock speed increase.

The reason the iPad 5 will have a better CPU ( increased clock) and GPU (G6630) and 2Gb of RAM instead of 1Gb is to differentiate between the mini 2 and iPad 5. The screen size increase alone is not enough to justify the increase in price therefor performance will be another benefit.

How about we all try and stop proving each other wrong and just wait until tomorrow to find out what gets A7 or A6X or A7X and then wait for the teardowns for the full CPU, GPU, and RAM specs; okey?!?
 
How soon after the event will the rMBPs be likely available in store? In the UK if that makes any difference..

Cheers.
 
After introducing Haswell (+ Wifi AC and PCIe SSD) to the Airs 4 months ago, we should expect a little bit more than just putting the same stuff + a HD cam in the Pro's.
 
ghettochris said:
People said that about the mini, it's fine. I expect this will be the same.
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Except you hold both devices very differently. I can hold my Mini one handed holding (hand behind the device holding both edges) or at the bottom bezel using thumb in front and fingers behind because it's so light. Can't do either with the larger iPad. Where are you going to put your thumb on the side?

iapplelove said:
lol got to love assumptions
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Who's assuming? I've used both the Mini and full size iPad extensively and it's not hard to understand you won't be able to hold the new iPad in the same fashion as the photo below on the right.
 

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I'm hoping for some price drops on the Retina MacBook Pros in addition to upgraded specs. I wish the 13-inch had more powerful components, even as BTO options. Also looking forward to Mavericks. I don't really care about the iPad unless they figure out a way to replace OS X completely.
 
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