WTF (drunk experience)

[ravenvii]

That's just it... that is with your definition. I've taken 3 university courses on substance abuse and addiction and believe me, it is considered a sign of alcoholism (and at first, 'only' abuse) if you drink until you black out and if you continue to drink after that episode.

When you black out, your body is being harmed.

You can die the very first time you drink. You can die if you consume 'too much' alcohol 'too fast,' and that mark is much easier to hit than you'd think.

But that's just it - I didn't realize I would forget the moment while it was happening. I only realized there's a gap in my memory the day after, with only very faint glimpses or flashes of what happened. I remembered I drank two cups of beer from the keg at the house party before saying "**** it I'm done" and throwing it in the trash. Dunno, the more I dig at it, the more I remember. Is it a true blackout?

 

[toezter]

That's just it... that is with your definition. I've taken 3 university courses on substance abuse and addiction and believe me, it is considered a sign of alcoholism (and at first, 'only' abuse) if you drink until you black out and if you continue to drink after that episode.

When you black out, your body is being harmed.

You can die the very first time you drink. You can die if you consume 'too much' alcohol 'too fast,' and that mark is much easier to hit than you'd think.

....you can die from your first drink of water also, whats the point?

no i haven't taken any courses in substance abuse (Health class HS only), but that seems a bit too farfetched. most people don't know what happend to them (when they black out), so its their cognitive thinking to KEEP drinking with the people you are with. its like a bad dream almost, depends on how you put it. its not that you NEED it, but your mind is telling you to keep drinking, ie. socialize for instance.

Wikipedia states "Alcoholism" - "Alcoholism is a dependency on alcohol characterized by craving (a strong need to drink), loss of control (being unable to stop drinking despite a desire to do so), physical dependence and withdrawal symptoms, and tolerance (increasing difficulty of becoming drunk)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic

it also states that alcoholism is a harder habit to break and damaging compared to other substances, equal to heroin withdraws.

you can't, in one point of a persons life who posts about college fun (blackouts), label them as an Alcoholic. its like telling someone who's tried a line of coke and call them a drug addict, no. if someone were to state "oh man, i'm 45 with no job, no family, but drinking non-stop since nineteen dikity TWO!" then yes, i would also label him as an alchie.

but whatever, i never took a substance class in college (especially three, whats your major?). by your definition, my mother is an alcoholic who's taught me how to drink and know my limits back in highschool and has kept me out of detox, jail, or the side of the road durring college, my german friends in madison and the cities who drink with family to enjoy a good time, my relatives in japan who love sake and hard liquor to enjoy a good time, and everyone i drink with along with others who drink to have a good time, we're all alcoholics.

but i perfer lush

 

[toezter]

But that's just it - I didn't realize I would forget the moment while it was happening. I only realized there's a gap in my memory the day after, with only very faint glimpses or flashes of what happened. I remembered I drank two cups of beer from the keg at the house party before saying "**** it I'm done" and throwing it in the trash. Dunno, the more I dig at it, the more I remember. Is it a true blackout?

i've had times and along with friends who can't remember parts of the night due to "black outs".

some stories are better than others :shudder:

 

[devilot]

you can't, in one point of a persons life who posts about college fun (blackouts), label them as an Alcoholic. its like telling someone who's tried a line of coke and call them a drug addict, no. if someone were to state "oh man, i'm 45 with no job, no family, but drinking non-stop since nineteen dikity TWO!" then yes, i would also label him as an alchie.

If you kindly glance back at my very first post, I did NOT call anybody an alcoholic. In fact, I even gave my own blackout story. Anyways, I won't bother reposting what I already posted once.

but whatever, i never took a substance class in college (especially three, whats your major?). by your definition, my mother is an alcoholic...

That's just it... it is NOT my definition. It is a definition set forth by medical professionals spanning different disciplines for instance, psychology and molecular biology. I really didn't want to get into this; that's why my initial post was short and 'sweet.' But since it's been brought forth... Continued consumption of alcohol after experiencing adverse/negative consequences is considered to be symptoms of and leading to alcoholism.

What are adverse/negative consequences? If you have had legal ramifications; (say a DUI, or other citation of being drunk in public, etc.) and still that doesn't get you to stop drinking, if you have had physical ramifications (say blackouts, hangovers, etc.) and you still continue to drink (not just the day of.. but thereafter), if your work/studies become impaired (say you start showing up to work/school late, or you aren't as productive, or duh, if you don't show up at all) and still continue to drink, and if your friends/ family are expressing concern and you still continue to drink... These are just a few examples of people imbibing even after experiencing adverse/negative consequences; thereby displaying definite substance abuse and potentially alcoholism (addiction).

There is also one 'system' that shows there are distinctly different forms of alcoholism... But I really don't feel like digging up all my notes and corresponding text books.

But that's just it - I didn't realize I would forget the moment while it was happening. I only realized there's a gap in my memory the day after, with only very faint glimpses or flashes of what happened. <snip> Dunno, the more I dig at it, the more I remember. Is it a true blackout?

Sounds like a blackout to me. There are different severities to blackouts... and that's the idea; most people can't tell at that moment, "Wow. I am in 'blackout' mode and I will not be able to remember this specific time frame come tomorrow." I'm sorry if you Raven, felt like I called you an alcoholic or felt offended by my response. I just wanted people to be aware that blackouts are potentially very dangerous and are our bodies very clear sign that we have reached our threshold of alcohol.

 

[ravenvii]

So you're saying that you stopped drinking any alcohol after your blackout experience?

Riiiggghhhttt. Don't think so.

So we're all a big happy family of alcoholics, huh?

 

[Skareb]

So you're saying that you stopped drinking any alcohol after your blackout experience?

So we're all a big happy family of alcoholics,

Well at least until he regained conciousness

and we're working on it.

 

[Skareb]

Now that I'm getting old things hurt a little more

Know the feeling.

Jordan

12hour races are tough, especially at night.