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WTF is Apple doing!?!?!?!?

In the pro world, most of the time laptops aren't used as the primary computer. They're used for doing work on the road, while most of the time a desktop (more powerful) system is used when at home/office. The hallmark of the 12" is its portability, and affordability as an "extra" computer. I use mine when i'm on campus, and my PC when i'm home, as it's faster. However, if i need to, the 12" is plenty fast for my uses.

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MarkCollette said:
It's about freakin time Apple stopped crippling the consumer products just to make owners of pro lines feel special.

The only way to gain marketshare is for every machine to have the best specs it can, at its given price point. Maybe Apple can get away with saving exotic features for the pro lines, like FireWire800 or Gigabit Ethernet, but not for staples like CPUs, RAM, HHD, optical drives, video, USB or FireWire400.

There is ZERO reason for a consumer desktop to have less specs than a pro portable. The physical reality is that desktops have more space and power available to them, giving them more capabilities at a lower price. Choosing to circumvent this reality will only make some Apple computers uncompetitive with PCs, and thus lose out on marketshare.

The solution, is to increase marketshare, so that it's cost effective to do updates more frequently. And that requires not crippling any machines...
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Gigabit ethernet is now included in the iMac. Very few PC's ship with it fullstop. Firewire 800 is a non issue unless your a pro. All models have firewire 400 and USB 2 with good optical drives.

No company can afford to keep updating bits and bobs every so often. There is nothing wrong with the way apple do things at the moment, the only issue is the time between updates. At the end of the day this whole thread is about the inclusion of a dual layer optical drive in a powerbook. I cannot see anybody needing this so badly that it effects their decision of whether or not to buy one. If you do need one by one and get a dealer to fit or purchase an external one which will be faster, cheaper and have more uses anyway. The pro line is aimed at pros, things like the CPU and graphics card along with expansion become important not a dual layer superdrive. The powerbooks will get these things but there are more pressing concerns then these.

The eMac is a solid education machine, it does what is was designed to do. Until it stops selling to schools and individuals who need/want a budget all in one it will keep selling. The latest iMacs are great machines, the graphics card isn't the best but is fast enough for the majority of things that will be thrown at it and is a huge step up the integrated crap that a lot of PC makers (especially Dell) put in their machines. You will always pay a premium for a mac, whether you perceive this as worth paying will depend on you.

As the second post says try lugging an eMac around all day with you. Most pros have a second machine at home, just how many people burn a dual layer DVD on the road anyway.
 
I have yet to be in a situation where I wished my iBook could burn a single layer DVD, let alone a dual layer DVD, but only a fool would evaluate other's needs based solely on his own desires. The stuff Apple makes works for me, so I keep buying it. If Apple made more stuff, I would buy it too. Not the fastest, newest, etc, but still the best, at least for me.
It is curious that my 1.2 gHz eMac feels far more useful and usable than the 1 gHz, 1.6 ghz, and 2.8 gHz systems I use everyday at work.
 
I don't know why we're harping on the laptops so much. It is the G5s that are really terrible.

When I can throw together a quiet machine with vastly superior graphics (Geforce 6600GT) and an Athlon 64 3400+ that overlocks to 4000+ without extra fans, just a bigger heat sink, all for around $800 with 1GB of RAM, 160GB HD, etc... Why is Apple charging $3000 for a system that is inferior in every way except for the second processor?
 
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johnnowak said:
I don't know why we're harping on the laptops so much. It is the G5s that are really terrible.

When I can throw together a quiet machine with vastly superior graphics (Geforce 6600GT) and an Athlon 64 3400+ that overlocks to 4000+ without extra fans, just a bigger heat sink, all for around $800 with 1GB of RAM, 160GB HD, etc... Why is Apple charging $3000 for a system that is inferior in every way except for the second processor?
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because it works
 
mwpeters8182 said:
In the pro world, most of the time laptops aren't used as the primary computer. They're used for doing work on the road, while most of the time a desktop (more powerful) system is used when at home/office. The hallmark of the 12" is its portability, and affordability as an "extra" computer. I use mine when i'm on campus, and my PC when i'm home, as it's faster. However, if i need to, the 12" is plenty fast for my uses.

MP
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I agree fully! I have my 20" iMac on my desk that is fast enough and big enough to deal with everything i need to do, but i also have the 12 inch powerbook to take notes in class, check mail in the quad, or just sit on the ******* and check my grades.
I used to have only a 17 inch powerbook. It was fast enough, but not convinient. The 12 is fast, but compact and light enough to take anywhere.
Still taking the pro-apple side on this one.
 
anonymous161 said:
It is curious that my 1.2 gHz eMac feels far more useful and usable than the 1 gHz, 1.6 ghz, and 2.8 gHz systems I use everyday at work.
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I too was surprised at the "power" of my eMac. Didn't expect it to be better then my PB 12" revision B. But it does.
 
James Philp said:
LMAO!
Oh, also you get the best OS in the world....
It looks lovely...
Build Quality....
Plastic, what's that?....
iLife 05...
No Windows....
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It is because of the OS, that it simply works.

It is odd for those of us that have used windows extensively, not to have to know anything about DLL conflicts and the such. Not really needing to go in to the system directories. Being able to move application folders around pretty much at our whim.

There is something to be said about closed architecture systems like the Mac too. Not having to change everything out on a troubled system, only to find out that it was a lousy IO board that was causing the conflict!
 
The OP is right.


We are talking about the eMac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Apple's pro laptop line needs some work.
 
Beck446 said:
The OP is right.


We are talking about the eMac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Apple's pro laptop line needs some work.
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I understand where you are coming from. I agree that the PB's should not pale in comparison to the eMac. For the eMac the difference lies in the 7200RPM HDD IMO. I would have to sit down and play in my "world" with a PB that had even a 5400RPM HDD to make a honest assessment.
 
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