[WW] Friend... or foe? : GAME OVER WOLVES WIN

[twietee]

Oh, and I don't think Moyank is a furry, and nor do I believe that QoS is, either. Their actions last night almost certainly serve to confirm that. [/SIZE][/FONT]

Love it. Everybody seems to have figured it out now. (Without any real reasoning that is of course) That last minute action did change zero and was made at a time about 1/4 of us were sleeping. Great move to make others look bad while...yea, changing nothin because, yep - again missing the deadline by some minutes. Third time this happended during this game.

Oh, and Meister who was the gambling man before now all of a sudden suggests really subtle that he's the hunter. But no, suggesting would be too strong a word since the actual hunter, if alive, might be challenged to out himself if it wasn't.

No reason to change, Moyank. Not convinced by DPs explanation either.

 

[Meister]

Oh, and Meister who was the gambling man before now all of a sudden suggests really subtle that he's the hunter. But no, suggesting would be too strong a word since the actual hunter, if alive, might be challenged to out himself if it wasn't.

No reason to change, Moyank. Not convinced by DPs explanation either.

I am not the hunter. I tried to protect sceptical with my vote.
There is no deep reason for this.

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Love it. Everybody seems to have figured it out now. (Without any real reasoning that is of course) That last minute action did change zero and was made at a time about 1/4 of us were sleeping. Great move to make others look bad while...yea, changing nothin because, yep - again missing the deadline by some minutes. Third time this happended during this game. Not convinced by DPs explanation either.

I agree. Dp's reasoning seems to be nothing but a smoke screen. At close inspection he isn't writting anything of any substance. My reasoning why either Melrose, Tweetie, QoS or sythas have to be a wolf is the only sound conclusion I see. Still narrowing it down to one (maybe two) out of four players is not helping too much.

 

[twietee]

My reasoning why either Melrose, Tweetie, QoS or sythas have to be a wolf is the only sound conclusion I see. Still narrowing it down to one (maybe two) out of four players is not helping too much.

But you keep that reasoning under disclosure? Maybe I have missed it (you have a post# ?). If you do you need to make a case at some point if you really want people to follow on that. Apllying the official Meister logic (as I did above ) makes you yourself look furry.

So you're not the hunter, any specific reason why you asked for the insta-kill then?

Just as an aside, (not attacking you btw. since I know how hard these games are when you just entered the ww realm and the rules aren't explaining that indeed - and even if they did there are alway questions arising during a game that even vets heavily disagree about): you can ask ravenvii such things via PM too.

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By the way, to say there is one wolf among four players isn't really that exciting. We're eight players with two ww in general. About the same. But I guess you meant that with the 'not helping much'.

 

[Queen of Spades]

Love it. Everybody seems to have figured it out now. (Without any real reasoning that is of course) That last minute action did change zero and was made at a time about 1/4 of us were sleeping. Great move to make others look bad while...yea, changing nothin because, yep - again missing the deadline by some minutes. Third time this happended during this game.

Well, as actions occur (and don't occur), perceptions change. That's my explanation, and it's going to have to do, because it's the only one I have. I know time zones can be annoying, I was a victim of that last game. But there has also been a lot of "sitting on our hands" this game.

Not convinced by DPs explanation either.

Please explain this comment further.

I agree. Dp's reasoning seems to be nothing but a smoke screen.

Going to ask you for the same - please explain this. You guys seem to be in synch on this idea.

 

[Meister]

But you keep that reasoning under disclosure? Maybe I have missed it (you have a post# ?). If you do you need to make a case at some point if you really want people to follow on that. Apllying the official Meister logic (as I did above ) makes you yourself look furry.

post #394

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Well, as actions occur (and don't occur), perceptions change. That's my explanation, and it's going to have to do, because it's the only one I have. I know time zones can be annoying, I was a victim of that last game. But there has also been a lot of "sitting on our hands" this game.

Please explain this comment further.

Going to ask you for the same - please explain this. You guys seem to be in synch on this idea.

post #94
He explains why he thinks Moyank is not a wolf and his explanation makes no sense.
Then he tried to get me to change my vote, risking a tie between Moyank and sceptical.
Which actually contradicts post #94, because it puts Moyank in danger to get lynched.

Also his other explanations don't go anywhere. I suspect a smokescreen.

 

[Don't panic]

2) Look closely to DP, and Melrose. Sythas's limited participation makes me nervous. DP's vote for me is actually laughably predictable, - as is that of Sythas, Occam's Razor notwithstanding. And, as to how I can be seen as remotely lupine is risible.

/QUOTE]

Very ironic now everyone seems to be saying that nobody thinks either of us are wolves.

well, there isn't much accusatory evidence either way, but in the case of SS there isn't any exculpatory evidence either, other than her word and some very well crafted posts.

i really do not see why even ' thinking' that she might be a wolf is 'risible'.
i did not at the beginning, and my initial vote for her was purely defensive, since my head was on the line. but now i don't see her less likely to be a wolf than queenofspades, twietee, melrose or sythas, and maybe a bit more

and i am still puzzled by her lack of participation in the switcharoo to lynch twietee, although i concede it was very late in europe, so that is a valid excuse

if i am wrong, i am wrong and i suppose i will pay the price, but i will wait to see the result before professing any preemptive mea culpa

 

[twietee]

Well, as actions occur (and don't occur), perceptions change. That's my explanation, and it's going to have to do, because it's the only one I have. I know time zones can be annoying, I was a victim of that last game. But there has also been a lot of "sitting on our hands" this game.

Are you saying I'm sitting on my hands? Just curious.

Please explain this comment further.

Going to ask you for the same - please explain this. You guys seem to be in synch on this idea.

No idea about Meister. This is what DP wrote, I'm just adding my comments bolded:

"on day moyank was on the bubble both during the day vote and during the tiebreak. So? losing a wolf on day1 lynching is a basically fatal blow to their game, especially in a game like this with no infection. it is worth risk some potential exposure to save the companion. of course it is, but what does that mean? If anything it'd mean the other baddie would try to do something, without being totally obvious, instead of gettin glost in the woods or else
especially during the tiebreak, there were 4 people who didn't vote, any of them shows up, and she is toast.So? edit: if she comes up a baddie or one of those that didn't vote back then this would mean something but like that?
day 3 she was again repeatedly on the bubble, and even offered the switcharoo by voting first. if queenofspades hadn't followed re-establishing the tie, she would be gone. That was a bold move, I agree. But ss made a passionate defense and Moyank was indeed on the bubble before, why not risk it? You followed. Maybe pure (bad) luck for you that the deadline was at that time so not enough people were around. Who knows if she'd missed the deadline by two minutes if you hadn't followed. That looked synched too if I may say so..

All in all: do I know she's a baddie? no. But since I believe that I likely would have been killed aready if ss were a ww I'm voting for Moyank. And yes, I could have gone for Sythas or eventually Melrose yesterday if that would have been an option - but it is really difficult for me to make a convincing case there other than the 'under the radar' one.

 

[Meister]

Are you saying I'm sitting on my hands? Just curious.



No idea about Meister. This is what DP wrote, I'm just adding my comments bolded:

"on day moyank was on the bubble both during the day vote and during the tiebreak. So? losing a wolf on day1 lynching is a basically fatal blow to their game, especially in a game like this with no infection. it is worth risk some potential exposure to save the companion. of course it is, but what does that mean? If anything it'd mean the other baddie would try to do something, without being totally obvious, instead of gettin glost in the woods or else
especially during the tiebreak, there were 4 people who didn't vote, any of them shows up, and she is toast.So? edit: if she comes up a baddie or one of those that didn't vote back then this would mean something but like that?
day 3 she was again repeatedly on the bubble, and even offered the switcharoo by voting first. if queenofspades hadn't followed re-establishing the tie, she would be gone. That was a bold move, I agree. But ss made a passionate defense and Moyank was indeed on the bubble before, why not risk it? You followed. Maybe pure (bad) luck for you that the deadline was at that time so not enough people were around. Who knows if she'd missed the deadline by two minutes if you hadn't followed. That looked synched too if I may say so..

All in all: do I know she's a baddie? no. But since I believe that I likely would have been killed aready if ss were a ww I'm voting for Moyank. And yes, I could have gone for Sythas or eventually Melrose yesterday if that would have been an option - but it is really difficult for me to make a convincing case there other than the 'under the radar' one.

I posted the post # you requested.
I agree with your post. The reason I want to protect sceptical is the same as yours: I know for myself I am not a wolf and I think she believes me.

I also agree on melrose and sythas. They are suspicious.

 

[Melrose]

I also agree on melrose and sythas. They are suspicious.

A Fortiori, I voted for you.

The problem is, cautiousness basically paralyzes the village - myself included. Unfortunately, no one wants to make waves by the very nature of the game. You stick it out, you get it cut off.

Vote with your gut. If you think I'm guilty - or Sythas, the reliably analytical Don't Panic, or the increasingly defensive Twietee, vote for him. I for one don't take defensive votes unless my life depends on it. But hey, I'm the dumb one so, you know, take that for what it's worth.

It's odd, I find, that the more I've honed in on Twietee the more I've been mentioned as a suspect. Mere coincidence?

 

[Don't panic]

my rebuttal in color

Are you saying I'm sitting on my hands? Just curious.



No idea about Meister. This is what DP wrote, I'm just adding my comments bolded:

"on day moyank was on the bubble both during the day vote and during the tiebreak. So? losing a wolf on day1 lynching is a basically fatal blow to their game, especially in a game like this with no infection. it is worth risk some potential exposure to save the companion. of course it is, but what does that mean? If anything it'd mean the other baddie would try to do something, without being totally obvious, instead of gettin glost in the woods or else but that is my point. they would have, but they didn't
especially during the tiebreak, there were 4 people who didn't vote, any of them shows up, and she is toast.So? edit: if she comes up a baddie or one of those that didn't vote back then this would mean something but like that? again, since the other 4 cannot all be a wolf, it means that she was very close to be lynched away on day 1. She was basically a sitting duck. If she was a wolf, the other wolf would have done something to help her.

day 3 she was again repeatedly on the bubble, and even offered the switcharoo by voting first. if queenofspades hadn't followed re-establishing the tie, she would be gone. That was a bold move, I agree. But ss made a passionate defense and Moyank was indeed on the bubble before, why not risk it? You followed. Maybe pure (bad) luck for you that the deadline was at that time so not enough people were around. Who knows if she'd missed the deadline by two minutes if you hadn't followed. That looked synched too if I may say so.. Maybe. but they did it and the two other people on the scene at the time did not (sythas and scepticalscribe)

All in all: do I know she's a baddie? no. But since I believe that I likely would have been killed aready if ss were a ww I'm voting for Moyank. ok, this i concede is a reasonable point for you to not vote SS. But not or me. if anything And yes, I could have gone for Sythas or eventually Melrose yesterday if that would have been an option - but it is really difficult for me to make a convincing case there other than the 'under the radar' one. valid point.

 

[twietee]

I posted the post # you requested.

Thank you. But I do have to admit having some problems following it.

Btw. sorry if I come across a bit tense, just really getting "the eyes" by my gf while trying to get these very important points across.

 

[Don't panic]

Thank you. But I do have to admit having some problems following it.

Btw. sorry if I come across a bit tense, just really getting "the eyes" by my gf while trying to get these very important points across.

put her on line.
Melrose will talk to her.
then you are good to go for the rest of the game.

 

[twietee]

my rebuttal in color

Ok - think we just have to disagree on some points. Who knows what the otehr wolf did or if s/he was even available at that time D1 - that's no evidence imo. Sure, if there would be a baddie found among those four that didn't interfere: completely different thing imo and would quite clear her.

Btw. the fact that I'm still alive isn't just some personal remark. Do you disagree that the chance of one of the ww being paired with the Seer of 33% is extremely high? And that there is a huge threat in that? That's one reason I didn't vote for you (and are reluctant to vote for Melrose) too.

 

[Melrose]

put her on line.
Melrose will talk to her.

Well, I'll charm the pants off her but then the rest is up to Twietee.

 

[Don't panic]

Herm.

I was thinking more like Jack Nicholson, not as a Joker, but like the total of opposite of a joker, like, someone with no sense of humor AT ALL:

...I did get a vote or two. Sythas, remember? He accused me too, but he's french, so I let it slide.

Let's face it, you'll never get enough people to believe I'm a bad guy. I'm just too damn lovable.


EDIT: Where was the post that listed the partnerships?

i didn't notice that the in the pic they are asking nicholson to sign a Ledger Joker!!!
that's awesome.
his facial expression takes on a whole new meaning


btw i think the pairings are/were :

DP-melrose
rick-meister
moyank-anjinha
QoS-pluto
SS-twietee
sythas-tomorrow

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Well, I'll charm the pants off her but then the rest is up to Twietee.

of course.
i don't expect you to ALL the work

 

[twietee]

i didn't notice that the in the pic they are asking nicholson to sign a Ledger Joker!!!
that's awesome.

lol, didn't notice too. Btw. Melrose I thought Cesar Romero great. And no, I asked, but my girl has no intention to speak with you. Maybe you should have kept you old 'tar.

 

[Melrose]

lol, didn't notice too. Btw. Melrose I thought Cesar Romero great. And no, I asked, but my girl has no intention to speak with you. Maybe you should have kept you old 'tar.

Little do you realize my wily charms have a tendency to rub off on people who speak with me. If you get a little treat in the next day or so, don't say I didn't warn you.

...and speaking of the Old Days.... I didn't think anyone would remember how Awesome I used to be way back then. Thank you for the remembrance. But this tar is more epic and moody.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

i didn't notice that the in the pic they are asking nicholson to sign a Ledger Joker!!!
that's awesome.
his facial expression takes on a whole new meaning


btw i think the pairings are/were :

DP-melrose
rick-meister
moyank-anjinha
QoS-pluto
SS-twietee
sythas-tomorrow

…….
of course.
i don't expect you to ALL the work

Actually, I did spot that, although I did a double take at first, and thought, well that's a bit cheeky on the part of the individual who presented that picture to Jack Nicholson for him to sign.

 

[twietee]

Little do you realize my wily charms have a tendency to rub off on people who speak with me. If you get a little treat in the next day or so, don't say it's all you.

...and speaking of the Old Days.... I didn't think anyone would remember how Awesome I used to be way back then. Thank you for the remembrance.

Alright, might sound cheesy now, but we had some truly exciting 'news' two days ago in our little houselhold. So that's what really, and fully understandbly!, makes me look like a dumb nerd here.

I for one miss it. That was absolutely fitting. Blade runner, Rutger Hauer no less, is awesome, but quite the opposite way - more depressing if you ask me.

 

[Don't panic]

Alright, might sound cheesy now, but we had some truly exciting 'news' two days ago in our little houselhold. So that's what really, and fully understandbly!, makes me look like a dumb nerd here.

I for one miss it. That was absolutely fitting. Blade runner, Rutger Hauer no less, is awesome, but quite the opposite way - more depressing if you ask me.

you mean, like, little news, with tiny little hands and feet?
congratulations!!!

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Actually, I did spot that, although I did a double take at first, and thought, well that's a bit cheeky on the part of the individual who presented that picture to Jack Nicholson for him to sign.

you think it was planned? like "your sucked, this is the real Joker?"

i read it as someone truly clueless who didn't know the difference.

not sure which situation a i like best

 

[Melrose]

Alright, might sound cheesy now, but we had some truly exciting 'news' two days ago in our little houselhold. So that's what really, and fully understandbly!, makes me look like a dumb nerd here.

I for one miss it. That was absolutely fitting. Blade runner, Rutger Hauer no less, is awesome, but quite the opposite way - more depressing if you ask me.

Twietee's been busy! Congratulations my man!

Roy is definitely awesome in an more stoic, and to be honest, more manly, way I think.

 

[Sythas]

my rebuttal in color


day 3 she was again repeatedly on the bubble, and even offered the switcharoo by voting first. if queenofspades hadn't followed re-establishing the tie, she would be gone. That was a bold move, I agree. But ss made a passionate defense and Moyank was indeed on the bubble before, why not risk it? You followed. Maybe pure (bad) luck for you that the deadline was at that time so not enough people were around. Who knows if she'd missed the deadline by two minutes if you hadn't followed. That looked synched too if I may say so.. Maybe. but they did it and the two other people on the scene at the time did not (sythas and scepticalscribe)

I was there 10 minutes after Moyank, ready for the switcharoo, then half an hour without anyone posting(in fact I've looked for 15 minutes, then went to bed).

All in all: do I know she's a baddie? no. But since I believe that I likely would have been killed aready if ss were a ww I'm voting for Moyank. And yes, I could have gone for Sythas or eventually Melrose yesterday if that would have been an option - but it is really difficult for me to make a convincing case there other than the 'under the radar' one.

Twietee, Melrose was a good option yesterday when I voted for him, but you were going for Moyank instead....

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Grats Twietee!

 

[Don't panic]

tally update.

if i am not wrong, the current situation is

scepticalscribe: 3 (dontpanic, sythas, queenofspades)
moyank: 2 (meister, twietee)

melrose yet to vote

 

[Scepticalscribe]

…….

you think it was planned? like "your sucked, this is the real Joker?"

i read it as someone truly clueless who didn't know the difference.

not sure which situation a i like best

It never occurred to me that someone could have been that stupid as to be completely clueless, so, yes, of course, I assumed that it was a sort of prank a clever and cheeky student might try to pull. However, I could be wrong...

Alright, might sound cheesy now, but we had some truly exciting 'news' two days ago in our little houselhold. So that's what really, and fully understandbly!, makes me look like a dumb nerd here.

I for one miss it. That was absolutely fitting. Blade runner, Rutger Hauer no less, is awesome, but quite the opposite way - more depressing if you ask me.

Ah, if is that sort of news, what can I say except warmest congratulations, and no wonder you have been distracted and otherwise preoccupied.

 

[Melrose]

Moyank.