Here we go again.
Definitely a shame that nobody other than QOS and I showed up at the deadline....
Definitely a shame that nobody other than QOS and I showed up at the deadline....
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[WW] Friend... or foe? : GAME OVER WOLVES WIN
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The deadline was 2.a.m. in western Europe. A time, I will admit, that more than sometimes sees me still active.
While I know that actual numbers of posts (i.e. active participation), do not offer an absolute co-relation with being of the lupine persuasion, there may, on occasion, be a link.
Apart from the untimely deceased, there are a few others whose presence is rendered almost ghost-like by the statistical data.
wow. sorry i missed the fireworks last night.
the last minute switcharoo is one of my fav moves in these games, and it has served the village well in the past (with the occasional backfiring, but hey, can't win them all
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so we have another tie.
i realize you guys hate it. i am ambivalent.
i hate that it drags the game even further. and i definitively don't think the random resolution of the putative ulterior tie is a good system.
however, the tie-breakers are great sources of information and they do help the village a lot (even more once the first wolf is caught). that i like.
so, without further ados here is my contribution....
***drumroll***
scepticalscribe
ha! i bet everyone is shocked
notwihstanding SS's fiery and passionate defense, i see nothing that makes me think she is less lupine than moyank, whereas the opposite is true.
it could well be that neither is wolfish (although there were a couple of red flags that went up last night), but at this point one of the two has to go, so i will follow the evidence.
you know, Occam's razor and all that...
the last minute switcharoo is one of my fav moves in these games, and it has served the village well in the past (with the occasional backfiring, but hey, can't win them all
)so we have another tie.
i realize you guys hate it. i am ambivalent.
i hate that it drags the game even further. and i definitively don't think the random resolution of the putative ulterior tie is a good system.
however, the tie-breakers are great sources of information and they do help the village a lot (even more once the first wolf is caught). that i like.
so, without further ados here is my contribution....
***drumroll***
scepticalscribe
ha! i bet everyone is shocked
notwihstanding SS's fiery and passionate defense, i see nothing that makes me think she is less lupine than moyank, whereas the opposite is true.
it could well be that neither is wolfish (although there were a couple of red flags that went up last night), but at this point one of the two has to go, so i will follow the evidence.
you know, Occam's razor and all that...
Think it was 03:00 am here. That's by far not a time I'm on MR, if not in bed I'm in a club so yea...
...rather convenient to bandwagon against someone who is most definitely not able to defend himself right at the deadline.
Anyway, I can understand that in general Melrose and me both may look 'too' innocent after all. No idea.
Before I'm off for sports my thoughtprocess:
- we have six teams, in one team there was a seer.
- I assume the ww were separated (not one team)
- there is 2/6 (1/3) chance (correct me if I'm wrong) that a ww is paired with the seer
- the likeliness that the seer is scanning his or her partner quite early in game (no infection!!) is really high imo.
- the likeliness that the ww are aware of that is really high as well. Don't think they "trust" the PM business too much - as everybody should
I believe I never really gave any hint or possible interpretation that I'd be the seer, nor did I rule it out to ss: one huge point why I trusted her a bit more than others for the simple fact that I'm still alive.
I do think that rick may have been killed because of that. One reason I'm very curious about Meister (I did point out the possibility of rick being a possible Seer, why the open trust between those two after one day and night after all?. Maybe that was the point the ww realized about the potential threat of their direct partner (not saying QoS is by default a baddie).
I do find it strange that DP piled on Tomorrow D1 (after Pluto, who is cleared) to save Moyank and also refused to vote for her yesterday. Moyank made it also quite clear that she would prefer to vote for someone else than him as she did (ss, then me).
Sythas plays strange for almost the whole game imo. But hard to pin point. I'll have to dig some more.
Melrose is the joker here. Really hard to tell what he's going after. Tries to stay out of trouble I guess. Or just too dumb
Meister, I don't trust him one bit. But to apply to his logic: Meister is a villager > Everybody who votes for Meister is a wolf > Meister votes for Meister > Meister is a wolf.
Just thought aloud. Nothing definite for now so I'll let that sink a bit and cast my vote later.
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I wrote "In one team there was a Seer". Obviously I can't know that. I think right now we should assume that s/he's dead.
...rather convenient to bandwagon against someone who is most definitely not able to defend himself right at the deadline.
Anyway, I can understand that in general Melrose and me both may look 'too' innocent after all. No idea.
Before I'm off for sports my thoughtprocess:
- we have six teams, in one team there was a seer.
- I assume the ww were separated (not one team)
- there is 2/6 (1/3) chance (correct me if I'm wrong) that a ww is paired with the seer
- the likeliness that the seer is scanning his or her partner quite early in game (no infection!!) is really high imo.
- the likeliness that the ww are aware of that is really high as well. Don't think they "trust" the PM business too much - as everybody should
I believe I never really gave any hint or possible interpretation that I'd be the seer, nor did I rule it out to ss: one huge point why I trusted her a bit more than others for the simple fact that I'm still alive.
I do think that rick may have been killed because of that. One reason I'm very curious about Meister (I did point out the possibility of rick being a possible Seer, why the open trust between those two after one day and night after all?. Maybe that was the point the ww realized about the potential threat of their direct partner (not saying QoS is by default a baddie).
I do find it strange that DP piled on Tomorrow D1 (after Pluto, who is cleared) to save Moyank and also refused to vote for her yesterday. Moyank made it also quite clear that she would prefer to vote for someone else than him as she did (ss, then me).
Sythas plays strange for almost the whole game imo. But hard to pin point. I'll have to dig some more.
Melrose is the joker here. Really hard to tell what he's going after. Tries to stay out of trouble I guess. Or just too dumb
Meister, I don't trust him one bit. But to apply to his logic: Meister is a villager > Everybody who votes for Meister is a wolf > Meister votes for Meister > Meister is a wolf.
Just thought aloud. Nothing definite for now so I'll let that sink a bit and cast my vote later.
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I wrote "In one team there was a Seer". Obviously I can't know that. I think right now we should assume that s/he's dead.
Think it was 03:00 am here. That's by far not a time I'm on MR, if not in bed I'm in a club so yea...
...rather convenient to bandwagon against someone who is most definitely not able to defend himself right at the deadline.
Anyway, I can understand that in general Melrose and me both may look 'too' innocent after all. No idea.
Before I'm off for sports my thoughtprocess:
- we have six teams, in one team there was a seer.
- I assume the ww were separeted (not one team)
- there is 2/6 (1/3) chance (correct me if I'm wrong) that a ww is paired with the seer
- the likeliness that the seer is scanning his or her partner quite early in game (no infection!!) is really high imo.
- the likeliness that the ww are aware of that is really high as well. Don't think they "trust" the PM business too much - as everybody should
I believe I never really gave any hint or possible interpretation that I'd be the seer, nor did I rule it out to ss: one huge point why I trusted her a bit more than others for the simple fact that I'm still alive.
I do think that rick may have been killed because of that. One reason I'm very curious about Meister (I did point out the possibility of rick being a possible Seer, why the open trust between those two after one day and night after all?. Maybe that was the point the ww realized about the potential threat of their direct partner (not saying QoS is by default a baddie).
I do find it strange that DP piled on Tomorrow D1 (after Pluto, who is cleared) to save Moyank and also refused to vote for her yesterday. Moyank made it also quite clear that she would prefer to vote for someone else than him as she did (ss, then me).
Sythas plays strange for almost the whole game imo. But hard to pin point. I'll have to dig some more.
Melrose is the joker here. Really hard to tell what he's going after. Tries to stay out of trouble I guess. Or just too dumb
Meister, I don't trust him one bit. But to apply to his logic: Meister is a villager > Everybody who votes for Meister is a wolf > Meister votes for Meister > Meister is a wolf.
Just thought aloud. Nothing definite for now so I'll let that sink a bit and cast my vote later.
i'll address these two quickly, then ponder over the rest with a bit more time. there are some interesting points there.
the Switcharoo is a GREAT move exactly for that reason. The WW are the only ones who have some degree of control over the votes, so an ambush is a great way to level the field. Of course it can occasionally backfire (e.g by killing a good special before they can say bah), or like anything else in this game, exploited by the WW, but it is one of the few tactical weapons at the village disposal, especially early in the game.
on day one i voted for tomorrow to force a tie, because -again- that is the situation where most informations are gathered for later on (although quick bandwagoning also has its value). later on i avoided voting for moyank if an alternative was available because -as i explained several times- the evidence from day 1 suggests she is not a ww
Ok, maybe I should add that I think it's crucial for the ww to take out the Seer as early as possible - even if that includes taking out their partners - who, and there I totally agree with Melrose, are a possibility to subtle manipulate the course of the game. Just slightly as I guess we have no naive players among us, but still: "...keep your enemies closer" and all.
Not just the risk of being found out but also that all of a sudden three or four cleared players arise, without any infection threatening this info!, who shrink the player pool to vote for immensely.
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Ok, ninja'd by DP. Just so you people know: it takes me quite some time to write posts. Not my native language and trying not to butcher it too much.
I'll respond later since I have to leave now. What evidence, though?
switcheroo'ing onto somebody who's most likely absent, nah don't agree. But I may be biased in this case.
Not just the risk of being found out but also that all of a sudden three or four cleared players arise, without any infection threatening this info!, who shrink the player pool to vote for immensely.
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Ok, ninja'd by DP. Just so you people know: it takes me quite some time to write posts. Not my native language and trying not to butcher it too much.
I'll respond later since I have to leave now. What evidence, though?
switcheroo'ing onto somebody who's most likely absent, nah don't agree. But I may be biased in this case.
I was a bit early for the switcharoo then.
I'm going with Scepticalscribe. Since she's on my liste of ww and not Moyank.
I hope she's furry. In the end, if Moyank24 is a ww and was able to be saved for 2 tie, I'll find a way to kick myself hard....
I'm going with Scepticalscribe. Since she's on my liste of ww and not Moyank.
I hope she's furry. In the end, if Moyank24 is a ww and was able to be saved for 2 tie, I'll find a way to kick myself hard....
Ok, maybe I should add that I think it's crucial for the ww to take out the Seer as early as possible - even if that includes taking out their partners - who, and there I totally agree with Melrose, are a possibility to subtle manipulate the course of the game. Just slightly as I guess we have no naive players among us, but still: "...keep your enemies closer" and all.
Not just the risk of being found out but also that all of a sudden three or four cleared players arise, without any infection threatening this info!, who shrink the player pool to vote for immensely.
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Ok, ninja'd by DP. Just so you people know: it takes me quite some time to write posts. Not my native language and trying not to butcher it too much.
I'll respond later since I have to leave now. What evidence, though?
switcheroo'ing onto somebody who's most likely absent, nah don't agree. But I may be biased in this case.
on day moyank was on the bubble both during the day vote and during the tiebreak. losing a wolf on day1 lynching is a basically fatal blow to their game, especially in a game like this with no infection. it is worth risk some potential exposure to save the companion.
especially during the tiebreak, there were 4 people who didn't vote, any of them shows up, and she is toast.
day 3 she was again repeatedly on the bubble, and even offered the switcharoo by voting first. if queenofspades hadn't followed re-establishing the tie, she would be gone.
while all this doesn't definiitively prove she isn't a wolf, since there is always the chance that she could just be playing a high-stakes risky game together with the other wolf, it certainly is some evidence.
in the case of scepticalscribe, we just have her words. very well articulated, but still just words.
On what grounds?
After my (almost inevitable demise): 1) I want no false tears, or ripping of bald heads for non-existent hair in an outpouring of fraudulent grief.
2) Look closely to DP, and Melrose. Sythas's limited participation makes me nervous. DP's vote for me is actually laughably predictable, - as is that of Sythas, Occam's Razor notwithstanding. And, as to how I can be seen as remotely lupine is risible.
3) The Seer is almost certainly dead. (I suspect that Plutonius or rick may have held that role).
4) The Hunter is probably alive. (Use that power wisely, and subtly).
The third tie in three days makes me uneasy, as it plays even further into the hands of the WWs, who are playing us for fools.
Oh, and I don't think Moyank is a furry, and nor do I believe that QoS is, either. Their actions last night almost certainly serve to confirm that.
Melrose is the joker here. Really hard to tell what he's going after. Tries to stay out of trouble I guess. Or just too dumb
It's multiple choice, actually:
[ ] Melrose really is dumb
[ ] Melrose is just a scamp trying to stay out of trouble
[ ] Melrose is a Joker - but, like, the bad Jack Nicholson Joker not the Heath Ledger Joker
[ ] Melrose is actually The Walrus, not Paul or Ringo
...select all that apply. If you think I'm guilty of not trying to help the village out, vote me off.
Personally, for my own personal and instinctively logical reasons that I can't enunciate in so many words, I think at least one of our wolves is either (a) Sythas or (b) Twietee. My logic in voting, though, is thus: Nobody's been voting for them, at least enough numbers. At this point in the game, if you don't vote with the majority couple of people you get tied to a stake and burned by the people you're trying to help... it's a damned if one does, damned if one doesn't situation. Do I want to stay out of trouble? Yes, I do. Damn myself!
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I rather meant the playing card, but if you ask me:
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Missing your very own name there. QoS gathered next to no votes either. Never being the forerunner either.
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Missing your very own name there. QoS gathered next to no votes either. Never being the forerunner either.
Herm.
I was thinking more like Jack Nicholson, not as a Joker, but like the total of opposite of a joker, like, someone with no sense of humor AT ALL:
...I did get a vote or two. Sythas, remember? He accused me too, but he's french, so I let it slide.
Let's face it, you'll never get enough people to believe I'm a bad guy. I'm just too damn lovable.
EDIT: Where was the post that listed the partnerships?
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I am also starting to getting the feeling that neither sceptical nor moyank are wolves.
But at the end of the day there is nothing to go on except the fact that either tweetie, melrose, QoS or sythas have to be one wolf.
Reluctantly I will cast yet another vote for Moyank
But at the end of the day there is nothing to go on except the fact that either tweetie, melrose, QoS or sythas have to be one wolf.
Reluctantly I will cast yet another vote for Moyank
I am also starting to getting the feeling that neither sceptical nor moyank are wolves.
But at the end of the day there is nothing to go on except the fact that either tweetie, melrose, QoS or sythas have to be one wolf.
Reluctantly I will cast yet another vote for Moyank
So, now that we've got ourselves into this pickle, we have to ask ourselves, if we believe both are truly innocent, which of the two tied players is most like to get less votes later on and help the village survive longer? That is to say, of either Moyank or ScepticalScribe, which would garner less suspicion in the next couple days? We can't afford to lynch one now and waste another day lynching the other tomorrow if we thin they're both innocent now.
Pretty sure they're both innocent. I'll go with Scepticalscribe since she already has 2 votes. I'd like to get this show on the road.
Very ironic now everyone seems to be saying that nobody thinks either of us are wolves.
Hey, I switched.
I wish there had been more of a last minute uprising. While I've been wrong before, I am pleased to say that I'm always open to a logical and passionate defense. Which both you and SS passed for me.
I have a pretty good idea of who we should vote for tomorrow, and the day after that. We're still gonna win this thing.
It's multiple choice, actually:
[ ] Melrose really is dumb
[ ] Melrose is just a scamp trying to stay out of trouble
[ ] Melrose is a Joker - but, like, the bad Jack Nicholson Joker not the Heath Ledger Joker
[ ] Melrose is actually The Walrus, not Paul or Ringo
...select all that apply. If you think I'm guilty of not trying to help the village out, vote me off.
Personally, for my own personal and instinctively logical reasons that I can't enunciate in so many words, I think at least one of our wolves is either (a) Sythas or (b) Twietee. My logic in voting, though, is thus: Nobody's been voting for them, at least enough numbers. At this point in the game, if you don't vote with the majority couple of people you get tied to a stake and burned by the people you're trying to help... it's a damned if one does, damned if one doesn't situation. Do I want to stay out of trouble? Yes, I do. Damn myself!
i am going to go with [D]
the next question is:
who is the carpenter???
I voted for don't panic and then everyone moved away from him.
Then I ended up voting for you to protect sceptical, who I do not believe to be a wolf.
It was never my intention to hang you or sceptical in this round.
Yes. Very.
Indeed, I have to wonder whether they ever - seriously - did.
And what pair of innocents will tie in yet another vote, tomorrow, to be followed by faux expressions of concern as comprehension dawns yet again?
Hey, I switched.
I wish there had been more of a last minute uprising. While I've been wrong before, I am pleased to say that I'm always open to a logical and passionate defense. Which both you and SS passed for me.
I have a pretty good idea of who we should vote for tomorrow, and the day after that.
Oh, I know! And I'm thankful you at least were present and tried!
I'm talking about the other guys, who are "reluctantly" voting now when they could have done something about it before the tiebreak, which is exactly what you did.
Well, the tears of the carpenter are dripping with translucent insincerity, but do, at least, have the merit being an example of sheer literary genius.
Hey, I switched.
I wish there had been more of a last minute uprising. While I've been wrong before, I am pleased to say that I'm always open to a logical and passionate defense. Which both you and SS passed for me.
I have a pretty good idea of who we should vote for tomorrow, and the day after that. We're still gonna win this thing.
Queen, you are not one of those I include in my general remarks.
You tried, - hard, and bravely - last night, as did Moyank, to be fair to you both, and I thank you for it.