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WWDC 2003 Rumor Roundup (970s, PowerBooks, Panther, etc...)

Re: Re: Re: WWDC 2003 Rumor Roundup (970s, PowerBooks, Panther, etc...)

Originally posted by Laurent
What about the fact that it might be 64-bit optimized? Piles? Brushed-metal-themed? iChat v2.0? Pal?

What do you want to speculate about?
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I should have been more clear... Speculation from random sources, SURE we got a fair bit... What I was REALLY looking for was something more like this:

"Mac OS X 10.2 in Early Development: Jaguar Hits 6B11 (with images)" - Dec 2001 - ThinkSecret Report

"Mac OS X 10.2: More early Jaguar notes and information (with images)" - Jan 2002 - ThinkSecret Report

Solid reports with a good reliable site backing up their reports will screenshots etc.

We've seen nothing like that this year... and IIRC this is one of the first times something like this has happened.

Dave
 
I am beginning to find it absurdly laughable the amount of time we've been waiting for the "G5". The first G5 rumors date back to August of 2000. And every major event, we've all been saying "it's coming". But it never does.

It's kind of a joke at this point. When it finally arrives, I might bust out in hysterical laughter.

The G5 will be anounced to the public by the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
 
Bigger news than you dream about

here is my idea for the biggest news of all: IBM announces that not only will it's new blade servers run Linux, but will also run OSX server, and they are now in alliance with Apple to provide a united front against Microsoft. Why not? It seems like the smart thing to do. Anyone know why this would not be possible? Don't you think it would be a great idea?
 
Re: Bigger news than you dream about

Originally posted by montefuego
here is my idea for the biggest news of all: IBM announces that not only will it's new blade servers run Linux, but will also run OSX server, and they are now in alliance with Apple to provide a united front against Microsoft. Why not? It seems like the smart thing to do. Anyone know why this would not be possible? Don't you think it would be a great idea?
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Nope, it's crazy idea. IBM are moving towards being the one-stop-shop for IT. They don't need a 'front' against Microsoft, and they sell millions of PCs running Windows as part of lucrutive service agreements.

That's not to say IBM might not use OS X (I personally think it's unlikely), but the idea that IBM are somehow going to pitch into a battle against MS is ridiculous.

I want to see fast, innovative and affordable machines from Apple. The computer industry is not a religious war. Apple should concentrate on delivering great products, not undermining Microsoft.

My two pence/cents worth.
 
Demoed, but not announced

Here's a serious question. Has Apple *EVER* demoed a hardware technology without announcing an actual announced product? I can't think of anything. The only thing that even resembles this is the demoing of iTunes Rendezvous sharing. However, considering that is a free product, demoing it didn't hurt sales of any existing product at all.
 
Re: Demoed, but not announced

Originally posted by dbenesch
Here's a serious question. Has Apple *EVER* demoed a hardware technology without announcing an actual announced product? I can't think of anything. The only thing that even resembles this is the demoing of iTunes Rendezvous sharing. However, considering that is a free product, demoing it didn't hurt sales of any existing product at all.
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they demo'd keynote MANY times before saying word one about it...

Just because you can see the screen of the mac, doesn't mean you have to see the box for it as well...
 
Then I saw her face...

now I'm a believer! Well almost:

From MacMinute:

June 16, 2003 - 08:25 EDT__ IDG World Expo today announced that Greg Joswiak, vice president of hardware product marketing at Apple, will deliver the opening feature presentation at Macworld CreativePro Conference & Expo, which runs from July 14-18 in New York City this summer. Joswiak, who leads the team responsible for all Apple desktops and portables, including the iPod and AirPort, will speak on Wednesday, July 16 at 9:30 a.m. ET.
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I don't particularly believe MacBid et al. or the hype around the 970's simply because it's all been self-fed. However, it's difficult for me to overlook the fact that this bit of fact could be rather significant - but it's @ MW - NOT at WWDC. So what could this mean?

Some thoughts:

1. 970's are introduced at WWDC and available at MW.

2. No new powerbooks until MW. Powermacs at WWDC

3. Reverse #2

4. Some other yet-to-be-known bit of hardware is discussed.

5. He simply lauds the adoption of 802.11g as the standard and gives a bit "we told you so" speech and gives all the 802.11a people the finger. 😉

6. All the important Apple folk drew straws to see who'd give the opening speech and he came up short.

Thoughts?
 
That's not to say IBM might not use OS X (I personally think it's unlikely), but the idea that IBM are somehow going to pitch into a battle against MS is ridiculous.
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Is it possible that IBM or AMD or Intel could create their own operating systems(does IBM already have their own?) and hardware?

Metcalf recently mentioned that there wouldn't be a significant improvement in an OS until someone came along and built an entirely new one from the ground up. So I was wondering: do you think we will see someone come along and beat Apple at their own game? Wouldn't someone like AMD/Intel/IBM be the perfect candidates to do something like this?

Sorry if this is all off topic.
 
Re: Then I saw her face...

Originally posted by FlamDrag
now I'm a believer! Well almost:

From MacMinute:



I don't particularly believe MacBid et al. or the hype around the 970's simply because it's all been self-fed. However, it's difficult for me to overlook the fact that this bit of fact could be rather significant - but it's @ MW - NOT at WWDC. So what could this mean?

Some thoughts:

1. 970's are introduced at WWDC and available at MW.

2. No new powerbooks until MW. Powermacs at WWDC

3. Reverse #2

4. Some other yet-to-be-known bit of hardware is discussed.

5. He simply lauds the adoption of 802.11g as the standard and gives a bit "we told you so" speech and gives all the 802.11a people the finger. 😉

6. All the important Apple folk drew straws to see who'd give the opening speech and he came up short.

Thoughts?
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WWDC, MWCP... I don't care.. I CAN'T WAIT ANY LONGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For someone who is getting their first mac..... aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

The Powerbooks better be sooner than later *
 
Re: Demoed, but not announced

Originally posted by dbenesch
Here's a serious question. Has Apple *EVER* demoed a hardware technology without announcing an actual announced product? I can't think of anything.
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Here's an easy one... The G4 at WWDC 1999
 
Originally posted by e-coli:

I am beginning to find it absurdly laughable the amount of time we've been waiting for the "G5". The first G5 rumors date back to August of 2000. And every major event, we've all been saying "it's coming". But it never does.

It's kind of a joke at this point. When it finally arrives, I might bust out in hysterical laughter.

The G5 will be anounced to the public by the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
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I said as much last year. I believe that the G5 at least as it was originally conceived has been vaporware for quite some time. Meanwhile we speculate and continue to speculate. Even AFTER the existence of the 970 has fully come to light (not necessarily it's use, but it's existence is a certainty) people are still speculating on a G5 in some kind of interim use. Forget the G5. If Apple calls any cpu a G5 it WILL NOT, I repeat, WILL NOT be the actual G5 that was originally envisioned. It will be a new or CPU, or tweaked G4 that will be called the G5. A G5 in name only. Moto is history. RIP you bastards. There I feel much better.

dh
 
Re: Then I saw her face...

Originally posted by FlamDrag
now I'm a believer! Well almost:

From MacMinute:



I don't particularly believe MacBid et al. or the hype around the 970's simply because it's all been self-fed. However, it's difficult for me to overlook the fact that this bit of fact could be rather significant - but it's @ MW - NOT at WWDC. So what could this mean?

Some thoughts:

1. 970's are introduced at WWDC and available at MW.

2. No new powerbooks until MW. Powermacs at WWDC

3. Reverse #2

4. Some other yet-to-be-known bit of hardware is discussed.

5. He simply lauds the adoption of 802.11g as the standard and gives a bit "we told you so" speech and gives all the 802.11a people the finger. 😉

6. All the important Apple folk drew straws to see who'd give the opening speech and he came up short.

Thoughts?
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OK I think just wait and see,
It is quite clear that new PowerMac are coming, simply by the fact that in many place in Europe you simply can not place any order for such machine. In addition, in France, the 15'' and today the 12'' PB can not be delivered any more, time estimation not indicated. It is clear for me that at the WWDC new powermac, and PB15'', and at the MW, just demo and info. I think it is also clear by the fact that Steve Job himself does not give the keynote at MW, since all the new products will be introduced at the WWDC.
let's wait and see, but I bet I am right
one can always dream...
 
it's WWDC....

announcements that are made will be relevant for a developers conference...

here's some predictions that's certain:
"a new tool enabling the speech synthesizer to copy the emotion and personality of a recorded human voice"

or this one...
"Apple is introducing a new API to give you access to more advanced handwriting features."

or this...
"new APIs to facilitate hardware accelerated color matching, and changes in display calibration"

or...
"get a peek into what's coming for WebObjects"

and of course...
"Panther"

These are all quotes from the WWDC session guide..

It's simple, if Panther is a '64 bit' OS then Steve will need to make a '64 bit' hardware announcement; if it isn't, there won't be a 970 hardware announcement and no 970 this year.
 
UK Demos

hi everyone,

just wanted to share something that landed on my doormat here in london this morning - an invitation to an open day at cancom in croydon - 'to hear Apple's latest product announcements!'

the mind boogles

like some others here, i'm looking to switch, which i'll do as soon as rev b 970 powerbooks arrive... bring them on!
 
WWDC vs. MWCP

There's no way Steve would let the announcement of the most awaited development in Mac technology be delivered by one of his underlings.

Thus: 970s demo'd/announced at WWDC, with the MWCP conference being an in-depth overview of the machines.

If the 970s aren't announced at WWDC, and by my logic won't be announced at MWCP, why would they have a hardware guy give the opening presentation? They would want to spotlight the big developement from WWDC, which would be Panther in the abscence of the 970.
 
SearchKit is a powerful C language framework for searching, indexing, and summarizing text. Formerly known as AIAT (the Apple Information Access Toolkit) or by its code name V-Twin, SearchKit is the engine that provides fast content searching in Finder, Address Book, and Mail. Attend this session to learn how you can take advantage of this framework to provide similar functionality and powerful information access capabilities within your Mac OS X application.

Could this mean that Finder will do searches as fast as Mail and Addressbook? Maybe that BeOS like filesystem rumour will come true.
 
Originally posted by Vonnie
SearchKit is the engine that provides fast content searching in Finder, Address Book, and Mail. .

Could this mean that Finder will do searches as fast as Mail and Addressbook? Maybe that BeOS like filesystem rumour will come true.
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Searchkit is already implemented in Finder.

The reason the finder takes longer to do a content search than Mail or Addressbook is that the file index is an order of magnitude larger.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: WWDC 2003 Rumor Roundup (970s, PowerBooks, Panther, etc...)

Originally posted by DaveGee
I should have been more clear... Speculation from random sources, SURE we got a fair bit... What I was REALLY looking for was something more like this:

"Mac OS X 10.2 in Early Development: Jaguar Hits 6B11 (with images)" - Dec 2001 - ThinkSecret Report

"Mac OS X 10.2: More early Jaguar notes and information (with images)" - Jan 2002 - ThinkSecret Report

Solid reports with a good reliable site backing up their reports will screenshots etc.

We've seen nothing like that this year... and IIRC this is one of the first times something like this has happened.

Dave
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But if Panther is 64bit, this means that the only people who can be really running the beta's through its paces have to be on 64bit hardware prototype machines, too.

The result is that the distribution is going to be far less broad, which means fewer sources to be tempted to leak.

And with another "hush-hush" on the hardware (since it can't run without Panther), the few that do have access are going to take their NDA a lot more seriously, and be disinclined to leak.


So with fewer sources to leak from, and less likelihood that they'll choose to leak, an effective rumors lockdown shouldn't be that much of a surprise.


Now if we make that our "Null Hypothesis", does this infer that bigger, not smaller, product news is in store? Maybe. 😉



-hh
 
Re: Demoed, but not announced

Originally posted by dbenesch
Here's a serious question. Has Apple *EVER* demoed a hardware technology without announcing an actual announced product?
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Apple broadcast switch from 680x0 to PowerPC for some time before it finally arrived. I finally broke down and bought a PowerBook 520c because it would be upgradeable to PowerPC... which was right around the corner. Hah!

Apple also announced the Xserve RAID quite some time before it was ready to ship.

But generally I agree with you. Announcing a new hardware product that competes/replaces a current model line without being able to ship in a few weeks is a financially dangerous act.
 
Originally posted by JoeRadar
Is the G5 the Copland of hardware?
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A new OS (OSX) eventually came out, and it wasn't Copland.

A new G5 will come out and it won't be Motorolla.
 
Originally posted by gwuMACaddict
the two websites that i read in the morning before cnn and foxnews are macrumors and AtAT.
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Wow, if you are mentioning AtAT in the same sentence as Fox Infotainment (err, I mean, "News"), then you must really have a dim view of AtAT's credibility!
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WWDC 2003 Rumor Roundup (970s, PowerBooks, Panther, etc...)

Originally posted by -hh
But if Panther is 64bit, this means that the only people who can be really running the beta's through its paces have to be on 64bit hardware prototype machines, too.
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Then by using your logic, Panther will only run on PowerPC 970 boxes but I for one (of many) don't think that's the case at all... Panther will be usable on iBooks (G3) and todays PowerMacs (G4) so, that brings us back to 'why so little true-leaks' from the Panther side of the WWDC coin?

It's quite clear that Apple has kept a super tight leach on Panther... Much tighter than any of the previous 10.X updates.

Dave
 
Re: UK Demos

Originally posted by benjiP
like some others here, i'm looking to switch, which i'll do as soon as rev b 970 powerbooks arrive... bring them on!
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Rev B 970 Powerbooks? Geez, that's probably not going to be until 2005 or something. Well, maybe 2nd half of 2004, unless we are quite lucky...
 
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