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Well, the February 20th date is based on an Apple Recon article. From what my "friend of a friend" has told me, who also knew there was going to be no iLife or iWork at Macworld, Leopard is essentially complete. The stuff they're seeding to developers lacks some things that we won't see until it's officially unveiled. I'm not sure about the Video iPod, but it would be a nice accessory to a simple OS announcement, and that's why I mention it. I would say the only thing to hold me to is Leopard on the 20th. That's just a hunch, though, and I have nothing to back it up other than the Apple Recon article. As far as the iPod goes, I simply think the technology is there and the iPod line needs a refresh.

If the February 20th thing is true, count on invites going out to press on the 13th. When the Mac Mini and the iPod Hi-Fi were announced, the invites were sent out exactly one week prior.

OK, fair enough. Good guesses. BUT, my thinking is that, this being a Developer's conference, and the invitation being formatted the way it is, Leopard is at least going to be previewed at the conference, if not released.

Possible new Macs, but with the recent huge announcements of the iPhone and AppleTV, I doubt we'll see any iPod updates/releases at the conference. Apple has started to separate it's "Mac" from it's "iPod" announcements, and the Developer's conference usually is more Mac-based.
 
I think this pretty much settles it. If nothing happens on the 20th, people should just assume it won't be released until WWDC.....:(
 
I never used to get these apple mails... but tonight i did. I guess it's cause I signed up as a dev.
 
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

WTF!!! I DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL JUNE!!! WHY TELL ME NOW!!! I'm so depressed...

10.5 better be released before that, or I won't be happy!! I would of rather of not known and been excited when it was closer... I know you have to tell people about it early so people can get there but.... nothing... I just love apple so much I don't want to wait for anything.... I'm sorry Steve... I'm not mad at you... I'll just wait...

The Stig

Some say that he is a Mac user, and that if Leopard gets delayed, he will go batsh*t insane on a forum....all we know, is he's called the Stig!
 
Remember, though, that Tiger was promised in 1H of 2005, and it came out in late April....about six weeks before WWDC. To my memory, it was barely even talked about at WWDC2005, but, of course, that was a once in a lifetime keynote.

I still say Leopard is unleashed in Late March/Early-mid April. Mark my words.
 
OK, fair enough. Good guesses. BUT, my thinking is that, this being a Developer's conference, and the invitation being formatted the way it is, Leopard is at least going to be previewed at the conference, if not released.

Even if Leopard is released before WWDC, there is gonna be a LOT of content to cover that people will have questions about. Even with the current Leopard documentation, some of the new security features aren't even covered yet, but we know they exist. Unless Apple suddenly makes reams of documentation appear out of thin air, a week is not even gonna be enough when WWDC rolls around.
 
This is coming from a friend whose a developer, iPhone around April. He's also told me that he got to play around with an iPhone as well and there's a few thing's (widgets) that they held back from the keynote. SO I'm counting on at least a 5 more icons/widgets to be in the release versions of the iPhone. As far as Leopard he's told me that it's not 100%, but that also could be on the fact that Apple's holding back from the developers on purpose. jsut my two cents.
 
Steve wants us all to ride the TimeMachine...

and take us back in time to forget about Apple and the past 30 years of extrodinary achievements. Forget that Apple ever existed! Moreover, forget about all the stresses and agony of waiting for the next Apple product. To save us all from further experiencing the burdens and hardships. Steve and Co. invented a true Time Machine.
 
Well, the February 20th date is based on an Apple Recon article. From what my "friend of a friend" has told me, who also knew there was going to be no iLife or iWork at Macworld, Leopard is essentially complete. The stuff they're seeding to developers lacks some things that we won't see until it's officially unveiled. I'm not sure about the Video iPod, but it would be a nice accessory to a simple OS announcement, and that's why I mention it. I would say the only thing to hold me to is Leopard on the 20th. That's just a hunch, though, and I have nothing to back it up other than the Apple Recon article. As far as the iPod goes, I simply think the technology is there and the iPod line needs a refresh..


i'm calling BS. leopard builds are far from complete we haven't even seen an RC1 yet let alone a final candidate or gold master. then there's the production and delivery of media. if a GM were built today we wouldn't see leopard until march.

personally i'm 50/50 on leopard being released before WWDC. if it does come pre-WWDC then i'm putting money on jobs announcing some sore of dev environment for the iphone -- probably widgets only, no full fledged apps to begin with.
 
My first thought was that the spacing between the calendar pages was artificially deep and obviously indicating a culmination of events arriving at June.

Expect somthing new every month from now til then! Then maybe in June it might be a job done!!!:apple:
 
Well, gosh, Gosh, great observation!

(Sorry, I just couldn't help myself from saying "gosh, Gosh". :) )
 
maybe this refers to 10.6 and Time Machine 2
Save the Date.
where you can go back in time and take the foot away from your mouth before you stick it in.
a great tool most geeks need :p
 
I really hope the new window theme does not look like those calendar windows in that image.

The black bubble looking sliders I could deal with, but they need to simplify the interface in my opinion. Something like mail, but universal across all general Apple apps like the Finder, Mail, iChat, iTunes, etc etc.

-mark
 
That's what I've always thought since Tiger Mail and iTunes 5 were released. I've downloaded UNO, which pretty much does that system-wide, but it doesn't change the font colors, so it's hard to read brushed metal windows.

Speaking of brushed metal, I think it's starting to look obsolete. I think it will be gone in all of Leopard by release because I think the fact that iChat has gone from Brushed Metal to aluminum in the previews of Leopard foreshadow this transition.
 
Ugh, I hope don't have to wait that long for 10.5. I imagine they could release it earlier since they'd hold WWDC either way, but this invite makes me think we'll get it then. Oh well, we wait and see.
 
As long as it comes on my new MacBook (which I'll probably get in August or September), I'm happy. I'm thinking about upgrading my iMac G5, but I still don't know how much it will benefit me.
 
maybe it's just me but I actually don't expect the new touch screen wide screen video screen whatever screen iPod to arrive before iPhone is launched. My reason would be that touch screen features would be "too cool" to risk losing luster to iPod launch. Remember that iPhone is going to give Apple far more profit than iPod unless Apple prices new iPod back in $499 territory (which i don't see happening).
 
I know I'm not unique in this (and that it's been said before), but I'm pretty underwhelmed by most of the confirmed 10.5 features. The only things that I can so far imagine actually using are: upgrades to Spotlight (including searches with Boolean operators and searching other people’s computers); some, but certainly not all, of the upgrades for Mail (i.e., notes and to-dos seems cool, but stationery does not); and some, but not all, of the upgrades for iChat (multiple login, tabbed, and desktop sharing good, but couldn’t care less about theater, backdrops, and animated icons).
 
Given the relatively little that we know about the new OS from last year, the complete non-mention of it during MacWorld this year and this invitation, I'm not expecting Leopard before WWDC. As best as I can remember we got a pretty good look at previous OS X releases before they actually occurred but yet we next to nothing about Leopard. Given this I have a really hard time believing that Apple is about to unleash a version of the OS that has features that haven't been tested outside of their campus so this either implies that the "Secret Features" don't actually exist or it's not ready for release yet. Given the hoo-ha that a release sans-"secret features" would cause due to last years WWDC presentation it seems reasonable to me to infer that the OS isn't ready and that we won't see it released to retail until a feature-complete version of it has been distributed to testers.

Basically, I can't see Leopard being release this month or really anytime soon so June seems a much better bet. To be honest, I'm not really that bothered...
 
So timeline: February 20th is Leopard, iLife, iWork, and Video iPod. WWDC is iPhone, new Mac(s) and um... ponies. iPonies.

Mark my words, this is what will happen (maybe not the iPonies though)


U R Dreaming. Apple might announce Leopard on Feb 20 but it's not shipping until late spring...May or June. We are 1/4 way done w/ Feb and Leopard is not even close to being GM yet. Heck 10.4.9 isn't even out.

And unless Apple decides to open up the iPhone to developers there is no reason to discuss iPhone @ WWDC. I think we will see new Macs at WWDC, but that is obvious given Intel's roadmap. WWDC is going to be all about 10.5.
 
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