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In your eye is coping coping or is part of something that you copied still coping. It is one thing to copy a piece, but another thing to copy the entire form factor, layout, how it functions, the look heck even the feel. Unless of course you think just a piece, and if this is the case shouldn't google be suid apple for some of the coping? I am just wondering if there is a line or is this some personnel thing against apple. Seems to be the later but I could be wrong.

No one's going to look at a phone labelled "Samsung" and think iPhone. Should Apple also go after the individuals who theme their droids like iPhones? There's only so much you can do with the layout of a candybar smartphone.
 
Impossible. The service was on a annual renewal. Therefore those that renewed last week, would still have their membership expire in June 2012. No way someone could have a subscription running past the June 30th, 2012 expiration date.

Someone here posted they ran to 2013. :shrug:
 
I never updated my Macbook with Snow Leopard. I can't get the Mac App Store without it. If I'm only able to download Lion through the Mac App Store, am I going to have to buy two upgrades now?
Perhaps you can get a cheap copy of Snow Leopard from Craigslist or maybe a friend will let you use their SL disk.

Also, maybe if you take it into an Apple Store, they'll update you to SL and then you can update to Lion.

My wife and I both have iPhones, use the same iTunes Apple ID so we don't have to pay twice for apps. What happens when the data from each of our phones is automatically synced to the cloud? Is it going to mash all of our data together, like we will have the same photo roll, and all of her apps will show up on my phone and vice versa?? I prefer controlling this through home sharing.
I'm sure Apple's thought of this scenario since it's so common amonst family members. I would guess that iCloud will have settings to determine which devices get sync with each other. For instance, the contacts on your iPhone will get sync'd with your Mac. Contacts on your wife's iPhone get sync'd with her Mac. Perhaps you can set it to sync all iCloud music to all devices except for your iPad. The possibilities are limitless.

and you missed one.
Google Music - $0/year to 20k worth of song (same amount as Apple) stream music you all paid for
Amazon Cloud - $0/year to stream 5 gigs of stuff you already paid for and unlimited of what you bought off amazon.

free vs 25 a year. Hmm hard choice there.
That's not how I interpret the WWDC announcements. Seems like iCloud's free music component is the same as Amazon's. You can stream/store an unlimited number of songs bought off of the iTunes Store. Or you can upload to iCloud 5GB worth of your own songs (ripped from CDs, etc). The $25/year adds the iTunes Match feature which conserves your 5GB of complimentary storage and saves you the hassle of uploading.
 
No one's going to look at a phone labelled "Samsung" and think iPhone. Should Apple also go after the individuals who theme their droids like iPhones? There's only so much you can do with the layout of a candybar smartphone.

Actually if you look at the pictures side by side,,,,, someone might just think that. I think that is the whole part of the aurgument.
 
It's not that people are lazy. My wife and I use the same apple account for music. Once this goes live, I can buy a song/album/whatever while we are on vacation, one of us isn't home to be able to sync with the computer, etc. but we both still get that new purchase.
Yeah, but what about things like SMS(iMessages)? Do we have to sync those now (due to the iCloud) or will that be tied to our mobileme(iCloud) accounts (which thank goodness is separate)?

So is it no longer possible to get a @me.com account?

Correct
 
Hmmm.... that's too bad, but I'm thinking you are right. I suppose it might be easier to each have our separate ID's. Then, if I want the same app as my wife, I either have to buy it again, (which probably won't cost me a ton per year to duplicate paid apps). Or, maybe we can have unique ID's, but still share apps from her with home sharing. I think I've read of people that do this, and when an app from a different iTunes account needs updating, you have to put in their credentials. And of course, if we move to the 2 ID model, we have the whole legacy of everything we've already shared, and then complications with home shapring, Airplay, etc. Maybe this will work, but I wish they would put some thought into what families can do that all use the same id. So, you could share the family iTunes ID, but have some sort of sub tag to identify "wife's ipad" oo "husband's iphone".

Will need to see how this plays out before jumping on the bandwagon...

It get's a little funnier when you throw in Home Sharing and an AppleTV. For example, my wife and I have two macs and share an apple ID. Both our macs show up on the appletv. What if icloud forces us to use different IDs? I think our use of the appletv and home sharing is exactly the proper way of using it.

Also, currently GameCenter allows you to sign in with a separate apple ID, which seems to overcome these types of issues. They might allow the same thing with iMessaging and iCloud.
 
A lot of people seem to be getting carried away with themselves.

I'm a relatively heavy casual consumer, and the updates will be nice (not revolutionary) for me. I assume that's the case for the majority of the casual consumer base.
 
Actually if you look at the pictures side by side,,,,, someone might just think that. I think that is the whole part of the aurgument.

absurd if anyone was dumb enough to do this they would not even be alive because they would have killed themselves with their stupidity long before they could even use a cell phone.
 
It's not that people are lazy. My wife and I use the same apple account for music. Once this goes live, I can buy a song/album/whatever while we are on vacation, one of us isn't home to be able to sync with the computer, etc. but we both still get that new purchase.

For music, being able to re-download directly to the phone will be new. But, from itunes, or from your iphone for Apps, your wife could always re-download items you purchased for free since you use the same ID. No need to sync, as the app store already knew that your account had previously purchased.

What I worry about is my wife downloading a bunch of apps, and then having these automatically synced through the cloud onto my phone. I don't want to deal with that.

Same with settings - in the keynote Jobs said if you get a new phone just sign in with your ID, and your phone will automatically be restored and set up.

Uhhh... I want my phone to be different from my wifes, but want to still use the same ID to share purchases. Please tell me you have worked this out!
 
A lot of people seem to be getting carried away with themselves.

I'm a relatively heavy casual consumer, and the updates will be nice (not revolutionary) for me. I assume that's the case for the majority of the casual consumer base.

It is the norm for apple to get more criticism than praise at these events, in fact I don't think there has been an apple event where the majority of the comments were of praise.
 
So is it no longer possible to get a @me.com account?

iCloud will be in beta only, once fully launched all users will recieve a @me.com account, devs will get first dibs since the beta goes out today.

Mattie Num Nums said:
That means nothing to me. I am now officially paying for a free service that doesn't technically exist anymore.
Apple will refund you if you provide proof for software as they have done for other things, call them. Some users were already refunded ostensibly because they bought MobileMe directly from Apple and not a third party. Don't spread false info.

joshs2000ss said:
So help this moron clarify:

If I have music on CD's that I rip to put on my device that is not currently available in iTunes, "unmatched" then all is well.

However, if I have CD's that I rip where the music is already available as a download in iTunes, I have to pay $25.99 a year for the ability to "re-purchase" music I've already paid for once?

Sorry, but if that is truly the case (according to my crappy understanding) this is beyond rediculous to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong here....please.

No, the music on CDs that is unavailable via iTunes can be uploaded as said in the keynote. Otherwise for all other songs, yes you have to pay in some form if you haven't bought it from iTunes.
 
Whilst I agree with you, Apple would check the checksums of the files that were being uploaded, I severely doubt Apple is under any legal obligation to report the files to the RIAA/MPAA. To do so would draw negative publicity to Apple and violate trust with the consumer.

I highly doubt that RIAA/MPAA would be willing to allow Apple to absolve piracy. $24.99/year is nothing, the millions Apple paid the record companies is nothing, compared to what they would get from copy infringements.

Also, this isn't temporary, add a new file through iTunes Match next year and Apple would then allow you to store it in iCloud.

Trust with consumer? You think Apple will side with the pirates?

BTW, I doubt Apple will check checksums of files to determine legal songs, that can't really be done. Matching songs will have to be done in another way.
 
iCloud will be in beta only, once fully launched all users will recieve a @me.com account, devs will get first dibs since the beta goes out today.


Apple will refund you if you provide proof for software as they have done for other things, call them. Some users were already refunded ostensibly because they bought MobileMe directly from Apple and not a third party. Don't spread false info.



No, the music on CDs that is unavailable via iTunes can be uploaded as said in the keynote. Otherwise for all other songs, yes you have to pay in some form if you haven't bought it from iTunes.

My subscription was auto-renewed. Straight from Apple. I have had MobileME since 2004 when I was an Apple employee and was given .Mac for free.
 
Exactly. I don't care that they copied. I care that they copied while suing other companies for copying.

HUH! :confused:
Why would you or anyone else even care about this, I really hope folks aren't actually losing sleep, experiencing sudden lost of appitite, getting weak stomachs, having migrains over this? I mean if its that serious I'd highly suggest break from smart-phones and consider a flip phone on the next contract cycle.

No seriously though, its not that serious.
 
couldn't your wife also just redownload the song since you share an account it is already purchased on that phone, i know i redownload my apps all the time to different devices, i don't buy music from itunes but i assume it works the same way

Apple allows you to download music only once. From that point on it is your responsibility to sync it with other computers/devices and to keep your own backup. Supposedly this is the fault of RIAA's licensing.

From http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1373
You can download items once when you purchase them from the iTunes Store
 
Wired Wi-Fi sync ?

This is a bit annoying, was hoping I wouldnt have to plug it in

Wirelessly sync your iOS device to your Mac or PC over a shared Wi-Fi connection. Every time you connect your iOS device to a power source (say, overnight for charging), it automatically syncs and backs up any new content to iTunes. So you always have your movies, TV shows, home videos, and photo albums everywhere you want them.

from here

:mad:
 
This is a bit annoying, was hoping I wouldnt have to plug it in

Wirelessly sync your iOS device to your Mac or PC over a shared Wi-Fi connection. Every time you connect your iOS device to a power source (say, overnight for charging), it automatically syncs and backs up any new content to iTunes. So you always have your movies, TV shows, home videos, and photo albums everywhere you want them.

from here

:mad:

Then you'll complain about crappy battery life.

Plus I am pretty sure the WiFi radio only stays active when the screen is sleep only if the device is plugged in.
 
Nice to see Apple's policy of re purposing device hardware buttons is out the window.
Wonder if they'll let Devs do this too.

Shutter button Press the volume-up button to take a picture.
 
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