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WWDC: Leopard Details

I dunno, I've always liked the brushed metal/aqua interface. I think that I'm going to pass over this release anyway just because I'm happy with tiger right now. It does everything I want it to and nothing in Leopard makes me want to rush out and buy it. Oh yeah and that menu bar is hideous, I don't care what anyone else says. ;)
 
I'm not sure about the translucent menu bar, especially since the menus look the same as the old ones.

Not sure how much I'd use Spaces, seems like extra work to keep everything that organized.

And the iCal icon still doesn't update when not running, judging from the videos at Apple.com.

The rest of it looks great, though. Love the new Finder.
 
jcshas said:
I'd like to get my hands on a copy of Leopard's defualt wallpaper. Is that included in the Leopard Beta? If so, can someone post a download link?
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You can make your own. All you need is a Camrea + macro Lens + Tripod,+ Grass + rain + sunshine.

I agree it was a nice shot, but far to busy to be used to presnet a new OS. It would have been better IMHO if they had used the general pattern and dithered it to be a colour wash. I.e. a green version of the old blue background.
 
MajorTom said:
Some other interesting points not mentioned yet (from the Apple site)...

"Multicore apps in Leopard.
Apple engineers have updated several applications in Leopard — including Mail, Address Book, and Font Utility — to be fully multicore ready. Each of these apps breaks up processor-intensive actions into a series of more manageable steps that execute one by one on single-CPU computers and in parallel on newer, multicore systems. Cocoa uses that same technology to speed up Spotlight searches and Dictionary lookups."

...more....

"Smooth operator.
How did Apple engineers pull this off? By using NSOperation, a breakthrough new API that optimizes applications for the world of multicore processing. Independent chunks of computation (operations) are added to an NSOperationQueue, which dynamically determines how many operations to run in parallel based on the current architectures. So there’s no need to hand-code the complexities of threading and locking. You simply describe the operations in a program along with their dependencies. Cocoa takes care of the rest."

:)
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Now see, why couldn't Steve use this as "One more thing..."? This is much more impressive than Safari works on that other OS.

And if that's all that's required to move a single/multi-threaded app to being able to use multiple cores, that's incredible.
 
Project said:
finder-sidebar.png


screen sharing?
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Also

Apple said:
Closer connections.
With shared computers automatically displayed in the sidebar, it’s far easier to find or access files on any computer in your house, whether Mac or PC. All it takes is a click. But here’s where things get really interesting. By clicking on a connected Mac, you can see and control that computer (if authorized, of course) as if you were sitting in front of it. You can even search all the computers in the house to find what you're looking for.
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Wonder if you need Server or Remote Desktop for this.
 
well, remember that...

Tiger was 200+ new features, so don't get your hopes too high based on that number.;)

ortuno2k said:
Meh.
Nothing to be crazy about. I think we expected too much, and we didn't get what we wanted, at least not yet.
I'll wait some time as October approaches and see where the other 290 features are.
There has to be more "wow" there somewhere.
If this is it, I highly doubt I'm buying it.
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zap2 said:
Looks good....over all I'm pretty happy..would have liked to see iLife and iWork..but hey, 10.5 looks great, Safari on Windows is nice, and 3rd part app for iPhone is great
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I was hoping Apple would roll iLife into Leopard and give all the apps CoverFlow and that snazzy iTunes 7 look.

Instead, apple.com got the iTunes 7 makeover. Looks great!

Soooo, skip iLife/iWork '07 and bring out '08 versions at Macworld?
 
Abercrombieboy said:
This freaking SUCKS! I didn't think that being an early adopter to Intel would result in needing a new computer to run 10.5. You think they would at least offer a 32 bit version. Core Duo's and newer G4's have plenty of power to run this operating system. I have looked all over and have seen that 10.5 is only listed as a 64 bit OS...oh well...it is a good way to sell a lot of new computers.

Where is your proof on this? All Apple says is that it is a 64 bit OS. They don't even say what computers will be supported.
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And what makes you think that it would only run on 64 bit hardware? I agree that would suck...but I think that info is probably wrong.

Simon R. said:
So... no user configurable scale factor? (Resolution independency). Hmmmmm :rolleyes:
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I guess you missed the part where he said there are 300 new features but he'd only cover ten in the keynote? I don't get why people assume that if something wasn't mentioned in the keynote, it won't be in the OS update.

Goldfinger said:
I doubt that Leopard is feature complete and I believe that we will see another presentation about Leopard in the near future. There are just too many features missing. ZFS, resolution independence etc.
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What makes you think those features aren't in the build? Do you have a copy of the dev build?

macinfojunkie said:
Time machine? :confused:

Eye candy for an endless incremental backup unless there is something ground breaking like ZFS underneath. I have 1TB local in my PowerMac G5. How much storage am I going to need to backup that with time Machine!
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Not groundbreaking at all...except for the endless incremental backup. How many consumer OSs have that now? The only thing "yawn" about this one is that Apple announced it already.

DVD Player :(

Not mentioned in the keynote (afair), but there's a new look DVD player on the latest Leopard preview web pages? No word of support for "HD" DVD formats of any kind.[/QUOTE]

Open your dvd player app, it looks like HD is supported already.
 
I following the keynote on macrumorslive and one of the things was that this beta won't be available to developers not at the conference. That's BS. I have an ADC select membership and I downloaded some of the previous builds. Why not this one? B/c I didn't have the $1500 for the conference, and an additional $500 for the flight/hotels? That's just BS.
 
inkhead said:
A couple of notes from Moscone WWDC (woohoo!)

Menubar transparency can be turned off

However after trying it out, you never want to, it makes you more focused, and less distracted. I thought it was ugly, then tried it. It's actually very good for productivity.

It's fast.

Stacks are fantastic.

The new finder is absolutely the best part. How many years have we wanted a cocoa finder? It's HERE!!!!! Browsing network shares is no longer met with delays, it's using the fast Unix finally. I can try to mount 10 shares without every seeing a cursor.

Proper multi-threaded support. No more pauses when clicking on the menubar or anything else. Apps keep chugging along.

No more beachball so far.

It's the perfect OS for productivity. No crazy changes, just refinement to the extreme.

It's a beautiful thing!

DVD player has been able to play HD-DVDs for a long time. It has blu-ray and HD-DVD settings in prefs now.

Dock works fine on the sides, 3D but the icons are sideways (proper) with shadow. Looks awesome on the side. I'd post pictures but I'd rather not be in Apple prison.
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How dare you post anything positive about Leopard? It's the end of the world. The saddest day in Apple history. :rolleyes:

Seriously though....
Thanks for the updates.
 
verniesgarden said:
first: the things i like

coverflow in finder
the safari 3 beta is pretty slick (tabs finally work how i want them)
stacks i'm indifferent with i'll have to play with them to see if i like them... but probably only use the grid view (the curved column looks very windows to me)
unified look


now things i don't like

where's my finder tabs?
the menubar and dock are just god awful ugly to me goes with the column view for stacks they just make me shudder as how much they resemble vista, heck my friend even teased me about buying "OS X Vista"
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Finder tabs- where are they?
I would like that finder windows behave like safari and not like itunes
 
age234 said:
I'm not sure about the translucent menu bar, especially since the menus look the same as the old ones.

Not sure how much I'd use Spaces, seems like extra work to keep everything that organized.

And the iCal icon still doesn't update when not running, judging from the videos at Apple.com.

The rest of it looks great, though. Love the new Finder.
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Actually, I've been using spaces for a while on the last beta Leopard, I like it. I can put iTunes fully opened in one desktop with my music playing in the background, spreadsheets on another and PhotoShop CS3 on another. Switching between them is seamless and moving applications around is even easier.

The menu bar I'm iffy on. I do agree that a lot of the icons and graphics they chose to use are cartoonish and to "Windows-esque". I like the more "mature" and professional look of the current icons and graphics. I would have liked to have seen the reflection/luminous used with a sharper, professional graphical user interface, but I suppose we're all critics.

It would be nice if Leopard allowed for users to modify the colors and effects of their desktop and GUI, much like Windows, for those that may not like the flashy graphics.
 
xUKHCx said:
Wonder if you need Server or Remote Desktop for this.
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I don't think so, however...

Originally posted by Apple:
You can even search all the computers in the house to find what you're looking for.
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The bold portion makes it look a lot less useful than the collaborative iChat screen sharing feature they showed off before. If it's limited to a LAN, then I don't have the ability to troubleshoot my friends' Macs for them or to give them lessons over iChat.
 
After reading the keynote reports I was a little disappointed but...

I have spent some time viewing the videos and reading the details over at apple, and I have to say that I am really looking forward to Leopard now. Looks a lot more refined then Tiger and is a sum of the parts. Looks really interesting.
 
happylittlemac said:
I like the new features they draw me in and make me want to use it more than Vista could ever do, but since I'm a kinda still a new Mac user, I've been used to PC's for years, and getting new versions of Windows mostly meant getting a new PC like XP back in 2001 and needing a new PC if I was going to buy Vista. I bought my MacBook 1.83Ghz White back in October of last year and I don't think I'm going to be-able to run 10.5 :confused: :mad:
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Why couldn't you run Leopard? I'm pretty sure any Intel Mac will run 10.5 just fine. Any particular reason you think your MacBook won't?

P.S. It might have been answered already, but I haven't read the end of the thread yet.
 
milo said:
What makes you think those features aren't in the build? Do you have a copy of the dev build?
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No, obviously I don't. But things like resolution independence are pretty major features and should, IMHO, be mentioned during the keynote if they are present. iChat updates are pretty irrelevant compared to resolution independence and ZFS.
 
Thanks

Small White Car said:
Pop quiz!

I just downloaded this files from my sony camera:

DSC0023.jpg
DSC0024.jpg
DSC0027.jpg
DSC0028.jpg
DSC0029.jpg
DSC0030.jpg
DSC0022.jpg
DSC0025.jpg
DSC0026.jpg

Quick! Which one has my daughter in it? Who do you think will find it first? You, with your alphabetical list here, or someone with coverflow?

Anyone want to bet?
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Thanks a lot Small White Car. Hopefully this should shut up the whiners who are complaining about additional features, which in no way detract from what we have now.

I am sure there will be legitimate shortcomings in Leopard, but what I am reading on Macrumors is just complaining because Leopard cannot make toast.

And yeah, I am thrilled by what I saw in the Keynote. And no, I am no fanboi. I use XP, Ubuntu and Tiger (of course, Tiger is my favorite), and first used mac only 2 years ago.
 
Nothing about alliance with Google. Nothing about revamping .Mac or making it free or having more storage. At least not in the Keynote.

Nothing mentioned about ZFS, again at least not in the keynote. I still don't understand why they want Safari on Windows either...but I'm sure that will be explained/justified by the Apple fanatics.
 
milo said:
Open your dvd player app, it looks like HD is supported already.
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I was aware of support for HD folder from Final cut etc., but how about Blu-ray that was deffo missing, although I see another posted who was at the WWDC says that is also now supported so I've since changed my response on DVD player to a :) Now I have an excuse to by that Lacie BRD :D
 
I LOVE THIS:

Safari gives you a warning when closing a tab/window in which you've written unsubmitted text!!! Perfect for MacRumors :)
 
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