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Stacks will be pretty much useless if it's as this picture here. If those icons stay as the default PNG icon instead of a thumbnail of what the actual picture is then it's not going to be useful. In fact it will be worse as you will need to invoke stacks, guess which picture it is, find it's the wrong file, invoke stacks again.. repeat until you find your file.


I was about to make the same comment, kinda useless to have stacks if you can't tell what each picture is. I thought Leopard had the quick view feature? Does that not work with stacks? Hopefully that will be a bug to be worked out before it ships.
 
An old expression comes to mind...

Probably will be. But I don't like the blue color that appears when those items are clicked (at least, it doesn't go well against the green around it).

"Blue and green should never be seen...unless there's something in between"

Apple should drop the green grass background and go back to a new blue abstract. Stop the rot - looks too much like Windows now...
 
It couldn't have taken Apple engineers 2 1/2 years to rewrite the Finder, and I doubt they were sitting around doing absolutely nothing, so I wonder what the hell has been going on?

Most significant OS X version yet? Bleh. Going from 10.4 to 10.5 is more like going from 10.0 to 10.1 and it only took them 6 months to do the latter.
 
I was about to make the same comment, kinda useless to have stacks if you can't tell what each picture is. I thought Leopard had the quick view feature? Does that not work with stacks? Hopefully that will be a bug to be worked out before it ships.

Most likely. At least, that's the way Apple shows it.
 
I'll get used to the menu bar, but come on, don't take my rounded corners! pleeeeease????

I agree. it's been part of Mac OS since 1984. Why remove it now? Is there an email address where we can voice our opinion?
 
Oh, and here is hoping they add CoverFlow to Spaces. Imagine all your apps in full screen mode and then flipping through them with CoverFlow. Awesome!

Actually, that's a nice idea for Expose in general. It'd be nice to have a mode where Expose displays like Coverflow instead of the way it is now. I guess that's almost a hybrid between what Vista does (from the screenshots I've seen; never used it in person) and what OS X currently does. Somebody suggest this to Apple. ;)
 
I wonder why there's a disparity between the apple screen shot and this one. I doubt PNG is an unsupported file type...

They've been out-of-step like that in the past, too. I remember when Tiger was in the phase Leopard is in now (announced, previewed, awaiting release) the "glossy" menu bar was on some screenshots, but not all. Apple's own included.

Didn't some of the early previews of Time Machine have a more traditional glossy black bar across the bottom (as opposed to the "flat 3D" version they have now?) It was strikingly similar to the Vista taskbar or whatever it's called, so maybe they changed it to avoid all the snarky "photocopier" taunts from the other side of the fence.:D
 
It feels like the new dock takes up more screen real estate than the old one. Also not a fan of the glowing blue dot instead of the black triangle to indicate open applications.
 
It couldn't have taken Apple engineers 2 1/2 years to rewrite the Finder, and I doubt they were sitting around doing absolutely nothing, so I wonder what the hell has been going on?

Most significant OS X version yet? Bleh. Going from 10.4 to 10.5 is more like going from 10.0 to 10.1 and it only took them 6 months to do the latter.

We went through all this when 10.4 and 10.3 were in this phase. The UI and user-accessible features are the mere tip of an operating system. CoreAnimation alone is a massive improvement. Getting 64-bit happy Cocoa is big. All the underlying API improvements, refinements and additions are the vast bulk of the work. Although we don't seem them directly, they're the stuff that'll let developers create great applications using features and capabilities of the OS which do not exist at the moment.

Oh, and it only took 6 months to go from 10.0.3 to 10.1 because 10.0.x was an incredible bodge-job. Picking the low-hanging fruit to get some good improvements for 10.1 was easy. Adding stuff like CoreAnimation etc.... not so easy.

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Quick addition: something else we'll be getting with Leopard: a complete, up-to-date set of developer tools (Xcode), fully capable of exploiting the capabilities in the OS for developers to use right now. Development tools and documentation don't magically write themselves. Speaking as someone who's tried to build some Windows Presentation Framework-based apps for XP and Vista, using some half-assed addons for Visual Studio 2005 ... that's a god-send. MS haven't even released the version of Visual Studio that's really needed to build anything half-decent for the new stuff in Vista... and that's been on the market for months now.
 
So... didn't I hear a rumor that there would be simultaneous booting of OS X & Windows on the same machine? (That is, boot OS X, log in, tell BootCamp to switch to Windows and it puts OS X to sleep and boots Windows.)

Anyone know if that's in this build of Leopard? Sadly I see no mention in the article...
 
Wow. I'm impressed with the new desktop. Between the window shadows and the 3D dock, it really gives the feel that the windows are floating in air.
 
I'm usually of the opinion that Apple end up choosing the best designs (hence why after experimenting with ShapeShifter/CandyBar sooner or later I always revert to the default). But, egad, those folder icons are horrific... :eek:

Anyway, I'm still waiting for the ability to easily tile Finder windows. No chance this version, I suppose?
 
I'll get used to the menu bar, but come on, don't take my rounded corners! pleeeeease????

I agree. This is one reason I dislike Windows Mobile compared to others like Palm and Sidekick. I just can't stand square looking UI's. I like rounded corners on things.
 
It couldn't have taken Apple engineers 2 1/2 years to rewrite the Finder, and I doubt they were sitting around doing absolutely nothing, so I wonder what the hell has been going on?

Most significant OS X version yet? Bleh. Going from 10.4 to 10.5 is more like going from 10.0 to 10.1 and it only took them 6 months to do the latter.

On the "surface" I have to agree. I like the "cleanliness" of the new look, but it's not a "2 1/2" year undertaking.

However, Leopard seems to be much less about what is on the surface than what is below the waterline. You can quickly point to the effort of doing a full 64-bit rewrite, but I think the new processing technologies are getting lost as we focus on the eye-candy. An apropos example in today's hardware market is Apple's push for multi-processing apps and APIs in Leopard. While the PPC boxes will likely enjoy the fruits of this effort, Intel boxes will likely see more, if there is any truth to the statements of how closely Intel and Apple are working together on making full use of Intel's technologies. Such Leopard advancements could yield significant boosts in performance, especially for those who actually make many by reducing production time (pros, not “hobbyists”).

In addition, there is another possible complicating factor to consider when critiquing the time-to-market of Leopard. I cannot help but believe that some/much of the Leopard delay is due to the switch to Intel (an excellent business move IMO). Sure, Tiger works well on Intel (Apple did an unprecedented job at making the transition VERY smooth), but I believe Leopard is Apple's first real Intel optimized OS. Owning both PPC and Intel Macs currently, and in light of many of the tests/reviews, there really isn't just a killer performance difference using the new Intel hardware, even with UB apps. Sure, some are better than others, but overall it's just like we switched tracks, not caught a newer/faster train. I guess the short version is the following analogy:
Tiger - “let’s make a great OSX for PPC that also works on Intel”
Leopard - “let’s make a great OSX for Intel that also works on PPC”

Certainly this is nothing more than my own conjecture, but it seems reasonable. So, with Leopard, I believe we will really start to see the Intel boxes come into their own, offering solid performance superiority to the loved, but outdated, PPC. For me, the wait doesn’t seem so long considering the above.

PS: I would have preferred to have heard greater detail on multi-processing, GPU optimization, and other performance improvements in the recent keynote vs. a rehashing of most of the same features from last year. Seems like the replay of last year's speech is drawing a lot of criticism
 
It couldn't have taken Apple engineers 2 1/2 years to rewrite the Finder, and I doubt they were sitting around doing absolutely nothing, so I wonder what the hell has been going on?

Most significant OS X version yet? Bleh. Going from 10.4 to 10.5 is more like going from 10.0 to 10.1 and it only took them 6 months to do the latter.

perhaps... but as you may recall, 10.1 was a FREE update... you just had to goto an official Apple retailer (can't remember if there were any Apple Stores back then)... and 10.1 was a gazillion times faster then turtle-ass 10.0...

also... i like the new look... it's subtle... makes me believe that Apple put more effort into the OS's strong code instead of doing what window's did with Vista (Beautiful, yet weak)... however, i'm not a huge fan of the new folders... i think Apple may have delegated the folder's design task to the London 2012 Olympic Design Committee...
 
Anyone else notice that the arrows in the Finder's Back/Forward buttons are off-center vertically? I hope they fix that.

I like the new folders. The menu bar is starting to grow on me, although I think it looks a little tacky when a menu is selected and it looks exactly the same as Tiger's open menus. Rounded corners would be nice, but I guess they took them away from the bottom corners long ago, it was just a matter of time.
 
I still think the Dock looks a little cheap, and they really didn't add any usability by changing the appearance which is somewhat upsetting. However, I hide my dock most of the time anyway, so it's a non-issue for me.

What annoys me about the appearance change is that it's like half an effort.

The aqua elements look awful with the unified look and the blue on the new adaptive menu bar looks fairly poor as well.

Graphically it could be a lot better, but it's too late to change that now. For me it's just still so inconsistent.

Take this one:

http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/leopard9a466/source/picture05.html

Aqua folders here, not the new style. And I don't think the grey elements in the toolbar and the aqua elements on the rest of the window work well. In fact I think they clash.

When I saw Aqua in 2000 I thought "wow" as it was really special. I was hoping they would do the same 7 years later.

There are some very nice technologies in Leopard, so I will definitely be upgrading.
 
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Stacks will be pretty much useless if it's as this picture here. If those icons stay as the default PNG icon instead of a thumbnail of what the actual picture is then it's not going to be useful. In fact it will be worse as you will need to invoke stacks, guess which picture it is, find it's the wrong file, invoke stacks again.. repeat until you find your file.

EXACTLY what I was thinking.
 
i'm hoping for icons in persepective... if they're going for a 3d dock... the trash can looks fine, the other look odd... it's going to bug me for a long time.

As far as the dock goes, I think the icons look fine, but when it comes to cover flow is when they really look bad (ie: iSync in the screen shot). I have thought the same of cover flow in iTunes since it first came out. Yeah, the album artwork looks awesome, but there's no depth (like a cd case or something) and now the same with the icons (except trash).
 
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