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WWDC: New LCD Displays
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This monitor DOES NOT compare to any of the Apple display's except the old models. Wow 700:1 contrast ratio, nice one.. except it will be utilized by almost no one. Now look at the pixle pitch, much lower than apple's displays, this means not as clear of a picture, in other words less pixles per inch.
Second, let me look at the response time, 25ms compared to Apple's 16. Now you lose out on the fire wire hub, and the nice enclosure.
DaveG5:
I think you have pixel pitch (.dot pitch) confused with dot per inch. the lower the dot pitch the better and the higher the DPI (dots per inch the better) in most cases all things being equal.
Also be advised that when independently reviewed, specs like contrast, brightness (which is always turned down when you get the LCD), response time, viewing angles, etc are usually less than flattering (listed,) as all manufactures use the best numbers they can get away with in their advertising, and there are many variables depending on what resolution it was tested at, and sometime from different units of the same display model #.
For instance certain specs like response time, benchmark faster at non native resolutions, or so I have been told. and then there is dead or stuck pixels, as even to this day LCD Makers cant guarantee you wont get some.
Second, let me look at the response time, 25ms compared to Apple's 16. Now you lose out on the fire wire hub, and the nice enclosure.
DaveG5:
I think you have pixel pitch (.dot pitch) confused with dot per inch. the lower the dot pitch the better and the higher the DPI (dots per inch the better) in most cases all things being equal.
Also be advised that when independently reviewed, specs like contrast, brightness (which is always turned down when you get the LCD), response time, viewing angles, etc are usually less than flattering (listed,) as all manufactures use the best numbers they can get away with in their advertising, and there are many variables depending on what resolution it was tested at, and sometime from different units of the same display model #.
For instance certain specs like response time, benchmark faster at non native resolutions, or so I have been told. and then there is dead or stuck pixels, as even to this day LCD Makers cant guarantee you wont get some.
Since introduction or so, The Apple 23" has been the best value LCD in it's price category, even if you need an adc to dvi adapter.
The 20" was very competitive at launch, but no has quite a lot of lower price competition, the 17" has always been over priced except at launch. the 30" has no competition at its size. however for like $7000 you can get the 22.2" IBM viewsonic 3800X2400 and card, but that is not really for general computing.
2 out of 3 aint bad.
The 20" was very competitive at launch, but no has quite a lot of lower price competition, the 17" has always been over priced except at launch. the 30" has no competition at its size. however for like $7000 you can get the 22.2" IBM viewsonic 3800X2400 and card, but that is not really for general computing.
2 out of 3 aint bad.
stuBCN75 said:
studiopix said:
I like the Lacie 20" at $1299 also, I think it is Apple's closet competitor form a quality company. It is not wide screen, rather long screen 1600X1200. with pivoting for mac if you have a Ati9800, and optional color calibrator and articulating arm. no firewire or usb ports, just usb.
this would be a tough choice.
Does anyone know what are the exact specs for HD. there seems to be many
420p-720i,p-1080i-1080p-1200.
I am confused on that?
MrSugar said:
yawn! - an infitessinal pixel pitch difference, half the contrast which many people would of course make use of (I am talking about those of us that need colour critical etc, not gamers) and a response time that on these babies makes little difference...
You seem to be personally offended, and even when quoting the figures, you don't gain any ground! - as I said, put em side by side and look at the price tag and tell me whether they are 'worth' the difference.
no more to say!
Exactly why I'm waiting for Best Buy to start selling the new 23" Cinema's before I purchase. 14 days no questions asked return policy on monitors. I can order on the web and return to the store if I end up with a green pixel stairing at me from my new $2600 investment (including nVidia card).daveg5 said:...and then there is dead or stuck pixels, as even to this day LCD Makers cant guarantee you wont get some.
I'm seriously considering buying the extended warranty as well in case stuck pixels show up after 14 days...
Cooknn said:
Not sure what is happening with Apple computers at the Best Buy Stores. In the Northern Virginia area it appears that they are out of the computer end of Apple now.
Yeah, I guess it didn't work out at the store end, but they are still selling Apple products on-line at bestbuy.com. I'm hoping that they pick up the new displays. Good news for me is that they are building a CompUSA in my town. I'm really hoping they do the Apple "store within a store". That would ROCK. The closest Apple store to me (Fort Myers) is over 2 hours away.Chip NoVaMac said:
re: groovebuster
I don't want to get anywhere in the middle of anything..But doesn't Apple pay LG to make LCD's according to its own specifications...Its a similar business model to the car industry where for example one company is payed to build a engine to specific requirements for another manufacturers vehicle.
You can't buy it anywhere else because Apple has muzzled the manufacturer from selling it on the side and undercutting its own sales...
Of course you pay a premium for the brandname...A BMW is not necessarily a better car than say for example a Ford...It may be - but its not 100k better...a large element of the extra cash is for the brand name and its elitist tag. Same with Apple, same with Nike, Reebok and a thousand other fashion labels. Theres one thing that makes people come back to a brand and thats the fact that they may think they are buying something a little better, a little different, a little more ritzy for a small outlay in extra cash.
I don't want to get anywhere in the middle of anything..But doesn't Apple pay LG to make LCD's according to its own specifications...Its a similar business model to the car industry where for example one company is payed to build a engine to specific requirements for another manufacturers vehicle.
You can't buy it anywhere else because Apple has muzzled the manufacturer from selling it on the side and undercutting its own sales...
Of course you pay a premium for the brandname...A BMW is not necessarily a better car than say for example a Ford...It may be - but its not 100k better...a large element of the extra cash is for the brand name and its elitist tag. Same with Apple, same with Nike, Reebok and a thousand other fashion labels. Theres one thing that makes people come back to a brand and thats the fact that they may think they are buying something a little better, a little different, a little more ritzy for a small outlay in extra cash.
groovebuster said:
By "normal", I assume you mean standard. As in old standard. Also, yes, a 4:3 old standard display which requires less materials than a 16:9 widescreen will always cost less. Funny how that works.
"Normal" is quickly becoming 16:9 widescreen for both the television and computer display industries.
thats bad, most lcds are starting to give you a 3 year warranty like Apple should, can you imagine $1299 20"-$1999 23"-$4000 30" and video card and only 1 year warranty.wdlove said:
the video card seperately would have a 3 year warranty if it were available at retail.
IBM 22.2 3800x2400 Mac review
Here is a guy that tried it on a mac, hopefully the ultra 6800 will drive this thing at fast refresh rates.
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/stories/S17698.html#storytop
Here is a guy that tried it on a mac, hopefully the ultra 6800 will drive this thing at fast refresh rates.
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/stories/S17698.html#storytop
BenQ FP231W 23"
Here's another widescreen 23" display. This one is the FP231W From BenQ . The best price I could find was US$2700. Makes the new 23" Apple Cinema look a little better eh? I would say this comparison is almost "apples to apple(s)"
Measurement: 23"
Panel Size: 20" x 12"
Dimensions: (HxWxD)21.1" x 18.3" x 9.8"
Native Pixel Resolution: 1920x1200
Supported TV Resolutions: 720p; 1080i and 1080p via VGA or DVI
Aspect Ratio: 16:10
Panel Response Time: 16ms (can run at about 60fps)
Viewing Angles (Vert & Horiz): 176°
Inputs: D-Sub (VGA); DVI; S-Video Composite
TV Tuner: None
Audio System: Optional; two-channels; 4W/channel
Remote Control: None
USB Hub: Four-port
Here's another widescreen 23" display. This one is the FP231W From BenQ . The best price I could find was US$2700. Makes the new 23" Apple Cinema look a little better eh? I would say this comparison is almost "apples to apple(s)"
Measurement: 23"
Panel Size: 20" x 12"
Dimensions: (HxWxD)21.1" x 18.3" x 9.8"
Native Pixel Resolution: 1920x1200
Supported TV Resolutions: 720p; 1080i and 1080p via VGA or DVI
Aspect Ratio: 16:10
Panel Response Time: 16ms (can run at about 60fps)
Viewing Angles (Vert & Horiz): 176°
Inputs: D-Sub (VGA); DVI; S-Video Composite
TV Tuner: None
Audio System: Optional; two-channels; 4W/channel
Remote Control: None
USB Hub: Four-port
daveg5 said:
I agree, completely.
I do love Apple products, and i have just ordered a G52.5 + 23" Apple display
I just wanted to see if there was any alternative, i could of done with saving a few 's to get the RAM to a decent spec.
( my only real gripe with Apple is the that you always have to buy a few extras !. 512MB RAM is just too low for their high end Macs. Airport ready ? If you spend more an Airport Card, likewise with BlueTooth )
Ah well, can't have everything we want in life ! I will be a happy man when i get my new G5, even if i do have to spend a bit more cash to get the specs i want )
Oh, i still have not seen a single monitor which can match the Apple 23". not one !
Any one else ?
Well, there is the SONY SDM-P232W/B 23" which some people claim uses the same panel as the 'old' Apple 23".
It can be purchases refurbished for ~$1800. But you can buy the old Apple 23" for $1800 new now.
(Note: Having said this, I am buying the new Apple 23")
It can be purchases refurbished for ~$1800. But you can buy the old Apple 23" for $1800 new now.
(Note: Having said this, I am buying the new Apple 23")
If you don't like the prices for the cinema displays, don't buy them. Stop bitching, and let Apple make the business decisions. They do more than just sit on their ass all day and complain.
I don't see anyone 'bitching' on this thread...
If you read my post, it states that the Apple price is better than the Sony price.
If you read my post, it states that the Apple price is better than the Sony price.
23" is HUGE (Don't be fooled by pic's with the 30")
I visited my first Apple Store this week My boys and I were at Newport Beach on vacation and made the journey to the Costa Mesa store. Very Cool! First thing I noticed was that even though the 23" Cinema looks small compared to the 30", it is still LARGE. They only had the old models on display but it was enough to convince me to go ahead with my purchase of the new 23".
While we were there my son bought an iTrip & Car Charger for his iPod since we were doing some driving. I picked up a book on FCE 2. Went from Newport to Big Bear then on to Vegas and saw the Grand Canyon/Hoover Dam. Thanks to his iPod and iTrip - we were jammin the entire way
I visited my first Apple Store this week
My boys and I were at Newport Beach on vacation and made the journey to the Costa Mesa store. Very Cool! First thing I noticed was that even though the 23" Cinema looks small compared to the 30", it is still LARGE. They only had the old models on display but it was enough to convince me to go ahead with my purchase of the new 23". While we were there my son bought an iTrip & Car Charger for his iPod since we were doing some driving. I picked up a book on FCE 2. Went from Newport to Big Bear then on to Vegas and saw the Grand Canyon/Hoover Dam. Thanks to his iPod and iTrip - we were jammin the entire way
HP 23" LCD $1599, no firewire, more features!
Is this monitor the first 23" monitor equal or better than Apple's for $500 less?
http://www.macgamer.com/features/?id=1886
That's a nice monitor and I was considering it while waiting for Apple's Cinema upgrade. I think it's more like $1700. Where did you see $1499?
That's a nice monitor and I was considering it while waiting for Apple's Cinema upgrade. I think it's more like $1700. Where did you see $1499?
It's $1599 on HP site, that's with a 3 year warranty i heard it can be had for $1499 if you look around, it does not have firewire, but has 4 USB ports, PIP,Svideo component video, VGa and I think 2 DVI's, 3 year warranty, exact same specs as Apple, plus Height Adjustment, It looks like the best 23" value out, I could hook up the Xbox, cable Dvd, HDTV and everything to it, straight from the factory. I dont understand why it is so cheap, relatively speaking, I would just put an Apple logo on and smile, what are the downsides, Did Apple let HP do these in exchange for HP doing the Ipods? you may need IE to view the 3d demo
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/inte...2335/model.htm
Is this monitor the first 23" monitor equal or better than Apple's for $500 less?
http://www.macgamer.com/features/?id=1886
That's a nice monitor and I was considering it while waiting for Apple's Cinema upgrade. I think it's more like $1700. Where did you see $1499?
That's a nice monitor and I was considering it while waiting for Apple's Cinema upgrade. I think it's more like $1700. Where did you see $1499?
It's $1599 on HP site, that's with a 3 year warranty i heard it can be had for $1499 if you look around, it does not have firewire, but has 4 USB ports, PIP,Svideo component video, VGa and I think 2 DVI's, 3 year warranty, exact same specs as Apple, plus Height Adjustment, It looks like the best 23" value out, I could hook up the Xbox, cable Dvd, HDTV and everything to it, straight from the factory. I dont understand why it is so cheap, relatively speaking, I would just put an Apple logo on and smile, what are the downsides, Did Apple let HP do these in exchange for HP doing the Ipods? you may need IE to view the 3d demo
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/inte...2335/model.htm