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WWDC: New LCD Displays

Interesting?

Viridiana said:
the HP does look interesting, but its contrast ratio is lower than Apple's: 350:1 vs. 400:1...
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Hmm thanks I didn't see that, I thought it had the exact same, I was wrong, I think everything else is the same, but LCD reviewers have said you can take most LCD stats with a grain of salt until they are independently reviewed. I like the input options and 3 year warranty and price, and pivoting head, PIP, extensive on-screen menu and height adjustment, and Vesa built-in standard.
I am not sure if it is plastic or not. I do like Apple's clean aluminum look much better, I wish there was a box that added these features to the ACD.
Actually the HP site says up to 500/1 contrast to Apples 400/1 contrast
250/1 brightness to Apples 270/1
16ms same, .258mm same, but we all know specs are guides only.
I am not sure if you can get Applecare on a monitor purchase alone.
HP 1599 3year vesa $1599, Apple 1 year warranty with vesa $$2028+APP?
 
The HP monitor looks interesting. I don't understand how it can have more features at a significantly less price than the Apple HP Cinema, particulary the analog as well as digital inputs, and PIP, and a portrait mode. I could not find a review where someone had used it with a Macintosh. I found some critics saying it always stretched a 16:9 signal to 16:10.
 
DavidCar said:
The HP monitor looks interesting. I don't understand how it can have more features at a significantly less price than the Apple HP Cinema, particulary the analog as well as digital inputs, and PIP, and a portrait mode. I could not find a review where someone had used it with a Macintosh. I found some critics saying it always stretched a 16:9 signal to 16:10.
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5 Page Review here:
http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review1695_intro8482.html

HP and APPLE 23" owners actually debate the two on the latter pages, lots of good info on LCDS in general.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=757963

Conclusion

HP may have intended the L2335 for the graphic design market, but what they may not have realized is that hardcore gamers will be drooling over this monitor for their ultimate gaming setup. With a 16ms response rate, the L2335 plays games just as good, if not better, than traditional CRT monitors. Add to that the 16:9 widescreen format, component video input and a 1920x1200 native*resolution and the L2335 will also make a fantastic HDTV display.


Graphic designers that want more versatility than the Apple Cinema display will find the L2335 a better solution. With its pivot capabilities and very adjustable neck this monitor should please even the most demanding. The LCD display is sharp, colorful and very bright thanks to the LG Electronics LCD panel it uses.
 
About the HP Display

Well,

I was thinking about buying the HP L2335, but I found a zdnet review (in German) who says that the display has a pretty red-like white colour, which disqualifies it for any graphical- and video work. It cannot be corrected by software (only a bit)

Here is a picture of the "ugly" white point of the HP, compared to an EIZO 21 inch TFT:

http://www.zdnet.de/i/et/peripherie/2004/05/HPL2335/rot.jpg


By the way, could someone who has the new Apple 23 inch let me know, how does the white colour look like? Is it more red, or blue? I strongly prefer blue...
 
Andillo said:
Well,

I was thinking about buying the HP L2335, but I found a zdnet review (in German) who says that the display has a pretty red-like white colour, which disqualifies it for any graphical- and video work. It cannot be corrected by software (only a bit)

Here is a picture of the "ugly" white point of the HP, compared to an EIZO 21 inch TFT:

http://www.zdnet.de/i/et/peripherie/2004/05/HPL2335/rot.jpg


By the way, could someone who has the new Apple 23 inch let me know, how does the white colour look like? Is it more red, or blue? I strongly prefer blue...
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good article this thread has actual owners of both and those deciding, telling of their ideas and viewpoints ,HP and APPLE 23" owners actually debate the two on the latter pages, lots of good info on LCDS in general.really informative.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=757963

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daveg5 said:
good article this thread has actual owners of both and those deciding, telling of their ideas and viewpoints ,HP and APPLE 23" owners actually debate the two on the latter pages, lots of good info on LCDS in general.really informative.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=757963

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Truth in advertising:

I went through this whole thread and NOBODY on it owns a Mac computer, just a bunch of craptacular peecees, in fact, I didn't find a post from someone who had bought an Apple anything period, they only mention the Apple display at one point by comparison (and surprisingly didn't just diss it like most peecee lusers). From it we cannot deduce this monitor would work with a Mac at all, in fact, nowhere on the web could I find anyone with this set up. Until that happens or someone can get pics and concrete proof of a Mac running this monitor I'd stay far away from it.

And it certainly doesn't look as nice as the CD, but you think it's unattractive, go to the thread and see just how sucktacular peecees and their luser users's set ups look, man talk about the aesthetically blind! Not only are peecee users not as bright, the clearly lack taste!
 
Photorun said:
Truth in advertising:

I went through this whole thread and NOBODY on it owns a Mac computer, just a bunch of craptacular peecees, in fact, I didn't find a post from someone who had bought an Apple anything period, they only mention the Apple display at one point by comparison (and surprisingly didn't just diss it like most peecee lusers). From it we cannot deduce this monitor would work with a Mac at all, in fact, nowhere on the web could I find anyone with this set up. Until that happens or someone can get pics and concrete proof of a Mac running this monitor I'd stay far away from it.

And it certainly doesn't look as nice as the CD, but you think it's unattractive, go to the thread and see just how sucktacular peecees and their luser users's set ups look, man talk about the aesthetically blind! Not only are peecee users not as bright, the clearly lack taste!
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Only the last few pages mention the new 20-23-30 as they are just being shipped.
Wow we must have read different threads, they really praised the cinema display, but thought the old one's 25ms and thick frame were turn offs, Really there was quite a few scratching their head trying to choose, with lots of praise for Apple's clean great looks and extra brightness and backlight, many have been to the Apple store to see the displays (Duh, Remember the 23" are just shipping now, so of course no one has them yet, few on this site have them yet) the HP's have been out for months, there were also good comments on OSX and Apple in general, on a mostly PC site, which I think was cool. Basically what mainly attracted them to the HP, was it $1500 price, Same screen, 30-Day no question money back guarantee, 3 year warranty parts labor backlight, pivot, 5 inputs for extra computer, consoles DVD, PIP TV, HDTV, height adjustment, etc. I am too broke for either, and I personally prefer the Apples look/Quality wish I could have one of both, HP for my Xbox and DVD and HDTV, and PIP. and Apple one for my computer, but 1 30" would be nicer, lol. Competition is good. Hopefully some one will come out with a well thought out input box/switcher for the Apple Displays for $200 or so and Apple will allow 3 year apple care on Monitor alone.
 
daveg5 said:
Only the last few pages mention the new 20-23-30 as they are just being shipped.
Wow we must have read different threads, they really praised the cinema display, but thought the old one's 25ms and thick frame were turn offs, R
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Um, rechecked the lengthy thread, nothing but passing comments like "have you seen the new Apple display?" near the end of the thread, they never talk about what it works with, only that they exist, no hard facts, in fact, hardly any facts. My point is that don't send peeps to that article for a "discussion" that isn't there, it's really about the HP and even then, not much aside from the "wish I could afford it" camp.

What people probably want here is someone who's actually used the HP and/or how it stacks up against the Apple and, more importantly, will it work with their Macs. At $400 less (average) than the Apple with more input flexibility it is indeed intriguing, but until there's even a slim fact it's nothing to really put too much effort into paying attention. In fact it's a bit strange, the HP has been out since April yet nary much about it on the web and nothing about it being used with a G5 or anything. Either the common person can't afford it or maybe it's not as great as some think it is.
 
Good points Photorun, until someone with cash$$$, or a magazine reviews them both side by side on the mac, there will always be more questions then answers, and if you have a G5, the ACD's are a perfect match. in looks and quality construction, even if the HP's were identical in performance and screen image quality, and extra perks, the ACD's would still be first on my and most other Powermac owners list, I just hope someone can come out with an input box similar tov HP's, and Apple provides a 3 year warranty and 30 day money back guarantee in the future at additional cost. :rolleyes: :eek:
 
Same here I dont believe the specs are true until a 3rd party reviews them, the 16ms response for the 30" is hard to believe being that manufacturers are strugling to create 20" + panels with 16ms. Of all the LCD panels I have seen all but a few ghost/smear and 16ms does ghost/smear regardless of what people think.
 
army_guy said:
Same here I dont believe the specs are true until a 3rd party reviews them, the 16ms response for the 30" is hard to believe being that manufacturers are strugling to create 20" + panels with 16ms. Of all the LCD panels I have seen all but a few ghost/smear and 16ms does ghost/smear regardless of what people think.
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I'm confused. If "all but a few" ghost/smear, and 16 ms does smear, how are they trying to struggle to get 16 ms? Obviously, there must be a better one, or else there wouldn't be any that don't ghost/smear.
 
I mean, all panels 19" and over smear/ghost and even then only a few dont (latest DELL 19" and some of the samsung panels) but there is a major but. They had to sacrifice colour/contrast so allthough the panels are fast and ghost free the colour and contrast is crap. And since these are the latest generation panels I find it hard to believe that a manufacturer can produce a 30" that will have 16ms response and keep colour, brightness contrast etc..

My guess is that they are using smaller panels i.e. 4x15" to create 1 30" (latest 15" panels are ghost/smear free and have hit 12ms with 17" released not long ago)
 
DavidCar said:
Does anyone know if it is even possible to use an Apple Cinema Display in portrait mode?
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Yeah, I saw it done at MWSF. You probably need special software; I don't know where you'd get it.
 
Which display was running in Portrait mode, the 20, 23 or 30?

I thought I heard somewhere it could be done with an ATI 9800 card, but I cannot confirm that.
 
DavidCar said:
Which display was running in Portrait mode, the 20, 23 or 30?

I thought I heard somewhere it could be done with an ATI 9800 card, but I cannot confirm that.
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It was the old 23" plastic. They had two of them next to each other for dual portrait.
 
I believe it was ATI, but I don't really remember.

Speaking of that, I just got notice that my new 23" is shipping!
 
Some information on portrait mode can be found by searching on VersaVision and Radeon enabler. I don't know if some of this was outdated by what was at MWSF. It sounds like portrait mode is possible with only some ati cards, and not all 9800 cards, and that it could be in more cards if ati would just add the firmware.
 
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