WWDC, Photos and More on Tiger

[matze]

Hmm, smart folders..a deja vu

If smart foldes is for real, it's a feature from copland (does anyone remember?!). copland (the "original" system 8, that never made it) was supposed to have content search function where you could save the search results. And these results would update from time to time. To me this sounds like we are getting "old" tech from apple (but we are still way ahead of M$oftcopy).

 

[CholEoptera36]

hehehe, well unfortunately there are some places where we're forced to use office like me at school. But I won't go as far as saying it's not a good bundle of software, office is really good. And I've used the Abi word before too isn't that a Linux version? Correct me if I'm wrong I'm not 100% sure. Alls I know is if you're gonna use Office anyway, it might as well be an Apple version right? lol

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Just in case anyone has not checked out the Banners yet, (at the link in the quote) they are really cool.

They read "Introducing Longhorn" , "Redmond, we have a problem" , "This should keep redmond busy" and (My personal favorite) "Redmond, start your photocopiers" .

I love these banners !

 

[ibookster]

yeah

Quote:
Originally Posted by MacSlut

I don't get the "Introducing Longhorn" banner. I'm running 10.3 (Panther), why would I want to downgrade to Longhorn?

Ok, Introducing Longhorn means, when Longhorn does come out, M$ will have copied all the ideas from Tiger and therefore making Tiger look like Longhorn.

And to all you OSX on x86, that would kill Apple as a company. Hardware and all.

I think he got...perhapse you missed a joke in there somewhere.....

 

[MacQuest]

I love these banners !

Yes, but what do you think of my proposed additional banners from my earlier post:

I'm tired of the politically correct, under the breath loathing of M$.

TELL IT LIKE IT IS APPLE!!!

Put out other banners that say:
"Paybacks a beeyatch Redmond"
"Reverse engineer my middle finger Redmond",
"Marketshare don't mean squat unless you can hang on to it Redmond"
"The platform wars have only just begun Redmond"

This is gonna be fun.

 

[kimopupule]

Choleoptera.. er.. Derek.. er cuz..

AbiWord is a unix/linux app similar to word.
Since OS X is unix based, you can port it to it and run it.
I had it on my old 10.2 install next to the GIMP.

 

[reyesmac]

This is funny stuff

Its like the marketing guys at Apple are real Mac heads. These are jokes that real Mac lovers would appreciate. I guess they might use other slogans for their official launch, if not, it will be funny to see what the PC pundits say when they write about tiger.
I wonder what the biggest changes will be that will make Longhorn look weak by comparison. If they already think they are ahead of Redmond with Panther then they have another thing coming. Because it doesn't matter if you beat them to the punch, it only matters what new stuff you have when Longhorn comes out. I do not want to see 1995 all over again. Win 95 was a bad imitation of the Mac OS but look what happened when it came out. So they darn well better have some improvements that will help me work with many files faster, in a production environment instead of things that make you go "ooh" and "ahh" at a keynote.

 

[kimopupule]

Because it doesn't matter if you beat them to the punch, it only matters what new stuff you have when Longhorn comes out. I do not want to see 1995 all over again. Win 95 was a bad imitation of the Mac OS but look what happened when it came out. So they darn well better have some improvements that will help me work with many files faster, in a production environment instead of things that make you go "ooh" and "ahh" at a keynote.

Good point.
Sure, we all can appreciate this stuff, but do those winblows users care? Minus a few, of course. There needs to be a reason to stick with it, not to jost goggle at it for a few moments (ie the dock).

 

[CholEoptera36]

Ah I thougth it was Linux, just wasn't 100% thanx cuz - me and Kimopupule are cousins incase ya'll didn't know...lol (it's what us southerners do)

I installed it on my PC even though it's Unix/Linux based, what gives? was it a Abi hack>? Lmao

 

[kimopupule]

Ah I thougth it was Linux, just wasn't 100% thanx cuz - me and Kimopupule are cousins incase ya'll didn't know...lol (it's what us southerners do)

I installed it on my PC even though it's Unix/Linux based, what gives? was it a Abi hack>? Lmao

That sounds incredibly wrong, Derek.
Anywho..

Yeah, you had a port. I remember it.
hehe.

anywho...
Does anyone want to see why the Empire failed in Star Wars?

 

[CholEoptera36]

No wonder the death star "Blew up"! and all this time I thought Skywalker did it... But wait, does that mean Microsoft actually is good for something?!>!

 

[kimopupule]

Saying that microsoft is good for something depends on your POV.
I was always partial to the Dark side myself.

 

[macsrus]

My sources say that Tiger is ment for the Enterprise customer and being driven by the Enterprise sales group in Apple. Somehow they might place BOCHS/WINE support and with Apple remote destop, you have a VNC based tool to meet enterprise requirements. This explains the .NET C# framework support to develop and port homemade corporate apps..

You are right on target..... Tiger updates are for the Enterprise...
And most of the updates are to its UNIX underpinnings....
There will be some eye candy changes for regular users
BUT
The BIGGEST CHANGE in TIGER is a FULL 64 BIT KERNEL.....

 

[eSnow]

Lame, Apple, really lame.

Hanging large posters blasting MS b/c of stealing ideas and at the same time showing off a concept ripped from Konfabulator is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

 

[MacQuest]

Hanging large posters blasting MS b/c of stealing ideas and at the same time showing off a concept ripped from Konfabulator is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

Whatever.

This is like when Apple made Sherlock act like Watson in the Jaguar release. I didn't agree with that either.

But if anyone deserves to be publicly ridiculed even more, and by Apple, it's m$.

microshaft deserved this years ago.

 

[macsrus]

Let's suspend our disbelief that you know enough mac users to provide a remotely relevant or viable sampling for a moment and consider the fact that Apple probably couldn't care less about what you and others do with their Mac's after they've been purchased as they don't have to refund a bit of your money for removing their OS.

You really only inadvertly proved my point here.....
Its hard to know many MAC users.... simply because their are not that many of us......

But Apple does care what OS you run on their MACS....
Proof of that is.... They sell the OS separate from their machines....i.e. they want all mac users to buy it and run it....

Profit margins on software are always higher than on hardware.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

Given these posters mocking Redmond, does this mean that the rumor about Xcode supporting .Net in Tiger will not be happening? I'm not sure anyone with a choice would develop using that platform, but there are a lot of developers that must and selling them Powerbooks loaded with OS X to do it would be a good thing.

I hope this is true. I've been way too busy with J2EE work to even learn C# or .NET (I rarely use Windows), but I've heard some very interesting things about it and would love to be able to dabble in it without changing platforms.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

As a J2EE application architect I think that this is the BEST possible thing to come from WWDC next week. With people like Gosling already using a mac, Apple has a real chance to take a big bite out of the application development market if they play their cards right. I've been using apple for a year and a half for all my dev work and haven't ever been happier with a platform.

Ditto for me. I actually use both my G4 500 and a 2.4Ghz Linux box (remotely - using remote X Window apps and VNC) while my Windows laptop is simple a VNC client when I work from home.

If I could get my employer to upgrade me to a faster Mac, I'd dump the Linux one too. With the latest news in InfoWorld (or was it eWeek?) that G5's and Athlon 64's are neck-in-neck in plastering Xeon's for Java app server work, I'm hoping the "mac is a toy" mentality is eroding away.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

why is it that when i resize a window it doesn't move in real time? windows has been able to do that for as long as i can remember. maybe apple is lagging behind in that field. what about the fast user switching? xp had that before panther. is apple copying microsoft? this goes both ways.

XP had fst user switching before OS X, even Jobs admitted that last year at the WWDC keynote. But, from what I've heard, Apple's implementation is faster, and "cooler". (Eye candy sells a lot of the time) Besides, some Linux distributions had this capability before XP did.

While the window resize thing is an anoyance, if you have a Quartz Extreme capable machine, it's a lot more bearable. When I put a Radeon 8500 in my Dual G4 500, it felt like a turbo charge had just been put under the hood for the GUI. Windows' GUI feels a lot faster because it's doing a lot less. I'm amazed that the OSX GUI is as responsive as it is. Consider that every single thing on that screen is being composited in real-time from PDF - AND - you can use it on a 400Mhz G3 (albiet a little slugish)!

That said, I really do wish Apple would add official ways to turn down the eye-candy. You know it can be done because sites like osxhints.com and others show you the "back-door" settings that can do it.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

OT - Job advice

and incase you were wondering i plan on majoring in engineering in hopes to one day work for apple.

Just make sure you really love the work.

Unlike the .com days, engineers can't simple demand a high salary, they need to set themselves apart from the crowd.

At least in software engineering, a lot of jobs are being off-shored, only those who can show that they are worth the MUCH higher US salaries are "safe." If you're seen as just another code geek that doesn't excel in your field, you're ripe for replacement.

And no, I'm not trying to bash offshoring of programming jobs - I'm actually happy to see people given the oportunity to make 5x what other jobs in their countries pay. Just make sure you show your employer why the return on their investment in you is worth it.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

haha, I remember that one. I believe it happened while he was demostrating iPhoto, but I don't know exactly which one it was. I remember him handing it to someone in the front row to fix it for him.

"Handing" is a nice way of putting it. He threw the thing to some staffer who was on the floor in front of the stage! (I probably would have done the same!)

 

[Manuel Moreno]

And to all you OSX on x86, that would kill Apple as a company. Hardware and all.

call you apple a hardware company? rotflol, the best part of apple is NEXT. the rest, don't matter. hardware are everywhere, the assembly is the easy part. yes, you can call it Macintosh, Banana, or PC, but, they are calculators.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

call you apple a hardware company? rotflol, the best part of apple is NEXT. the rest, don't matter. hardware are everywhere, the assembly is the easy part. yes, you can call it Macintosh, Banana, or PC, but, they are calculators.

Did you ever use OPENSTEP on X86? Probably not. I tried, but my PC didn't meet the "supported hardware" spec's. (Was an AST 90Mhz Pentium with onboard video and a 2.2GB IDE drive)

The reason OPENSTEP (and NeXTSTEP) ran so well on NeXt hardware is the same reason OS X runs as well as it does on Mac's. Relatively closed architecture is a good thing for OS X.

[edit - added]
PS: I was a huge OPENSTEP fan. In fact, I developed on OPENSTEP Enterprise for WinNT for a short while. It's evolution into OS X and the "Cocoa" API's is why I bought a Mac.

 

[AppleMatt]

The WWDC '03 video linked here is missing;
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/whatson/appleevents/

I changed the link to correspond to '04 cool: ), but that didn't work.

AppleMatt

 

[whooleytoo]

Even if these screenshots are real, I doubt they are from the same Tiger build that will be demo'ed later today; if there are significant UI changes, these are typically kept in *very* limited circulation until they have been demo'ed publically.

(Even though I'd been testing OSX for months as an Apple engineer at the time, I still didn't Aqua until the same time as everyone else).

I'm wondering what the reaction will be to Gadgets (if, indeed, they are real). What will developers make of Apple copying (not buying) another small 3rd party developer's ideas.