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WWDC, Photos and More on Tiger

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From the Wall Street Journal

"Is Apple Losing Its Sheen? Its iPod Is Still a Hot Player, But Core Macintosh Sales Lag Behind Overall Market" WSJ.com ["Behind the scenes, the company is working on other projects to jazz up the Macintosh. Among them: next generation word-processing and productivity software, according to a person familiar with the matter."] [Paid Membership Required] 6/27

as reffed on macsurfer.com

Rumors to reality?
 
Tiger OSX is for the Enterprise

My sources say that Tiger is ment for the Enterprise customer and being driven by the Enterprise sales group in Apple. Somehow they might place BOCHS/WINE support and with Apple remote destop, you have a VNC based tool to meet enterprise requirements. This explains the .NET C# framework support to develop and port homemade corporate apps.

:Speculation: if they did port OSX to another hardware platform, why wouldn't it be IBM's laptops, desktops and servers running PowerPC processors? They are battleing M$/Sun through its proxy SCO. What better way to kick M$ and get Apple deep into the enterprise? It worked with the original PC (Charlie Chaplin ads).
 
~Shard~ said:
You must be new here and not remember the whole NeatGekko fiasco of earlier this year... ;) Don't put ANY faith at all in what this guy says - many other members will give you the exact same advice... :cool:
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actually I knew about neatgecko. I've been reading rhese forums for quite a while now. I was just employing that theory of "can't be wrong all the time" to neatgecko's iPod prediction... let us all hope. ;)
 
AppleMatt said:
Does anyone remember ages ago when Bill Gates came on video with Steve Jobs and the crowd booed? Jobs halted them and said something like "we have to drop this notion that for Apple to win Microsoft has to loose".

Also, does anyone remember how angry Steve was when ATi blundered and also when that digital camera (Canon?) didn't work on stage?

I think that Microsoft have done something to annoy him and this is his classic way of not going too far, but making the people it's directed at well aware, i.e., what he's saying is quite cutting and he doesn't seem to mind if it costs Apple a bit (they stopped shipping ATi cards on high-end machines for quite some time iirc for example).

Why he's angry I don't know, but he was pretty curt with the Office 2004 demo, whizzing through the slides and slightly cutting off the rep. Also his tone dropped quite a lot while talking about it.

Just a theory.
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Perhaps its the delay with a 64-bit compatible version of Virtual PC. That surely held down the number of people buying G5s.
 
Sayer said:
I don't really know what the deal with Arlo Rose is all about. He created an original implementation of an old idea, he did not come up with the entire concept hisself.

Apple actually had essentially the same thing as Konfabulator (small, minimal applets) called Desk Accessories.
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That was precisely my impression looking at the screen shots: here we have a more modern implementation of desk accessories.

Konfabulator. Maybe I was using it wrong and didn't give it a fair shot, but it seemed to permanently take up too much desktop space (and system resources) to be useful. Could it swoosh in and out of the way with a hotkey as this dashboard is suspected to do?

In any case, someone complaining about Apple putting desktop accessories back in OS X is a bit immature. The complaint is not that it's happened, but that it's taken so long.

All Konfabulator does is reduce the barrier of entry to creating such widgets to using scripting (and a runtime with extensive "hooks" to get at various bits of info from the OS itself) instead of compiled code.
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I dunno. IMHO, the innovation seen in the Dashboard screenshot/description is the ability to call up this suite of tool-lets at a moment's notice, and dismiss them just as quickly. Calculator and Stickies simply aren't equivalent to XCode and Final Cut Pro ... they are different classes entirely, and would benefit from a streamlined method of access.
 
jettredmont said:
Konfabulator. Maybe I was using it wrong and didn't give it a fair shot, but it seemed to permanently take up too much desktop space (and system resources) to be useful. Could it swoosh in and out of the way with a hotkey as this dashboard is suspected to do?
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Actually v1.7 released last week. When you press F8 all running K widgets come to the fore - even if they are bound to the desktop. They call it Konspose.

I still reckon Tiger's big news will be something for developers (eg like an x86 version - but not that big! maybe complete Linux compatibility APIs in X11 so you won't have to port apps)
 
joeboy_45101 said:
I've never claimed to be an economist, but I do know one thing: You cannot win by always being on the defensive, you must be on the offensive. I more than anybody want Apple to be on the offensive. These banners, if they actually say those thing 'cause I know how EASY it would be to Photoshop it, could be the beginning of a major Apple offensive on MS. :)
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I'll bet you Microsoft is laughing as much as we are at these banners. They know OS X will come out with most of the Longhorn features before they do. But they also know that compatability issues and the status quo will prevent OS X from gaining much ground on Windows.

Sure you say that Apple has made huge strides with their iPod. But thats a completely different market. The iPod OS does not need to be compatable with thousands of programs. It also doesn't have to compete against the other 95% of the market.

Apple used the exact same innovation and "coolness" that they use on their macs as they do in their iPods. people saw it, and thats why it is so popular. If people could see the same thing in macs, they would be just as popular. But there are too many obstacles that are nearly impossible to overcome (i.e. converting millions of computer users who know nothing about technology). Apple will always be a niche company in the computer industry, and microsoft knows that.
 
AppleMatt said:
Also, does anyone remember how angry Steve was when ATi blundered and also when that digital camera (Canon?) didn't work on stage?
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when did that happen???? (the camera)
 
nsb3000 said:
Just in case anyone has not checked out the Banners yet, (at the link in the quote) they are really cool.

They read "Introducing Longhorn" , "Redmond, we have a problem" , "This should keep redmond busy" and (My personal favorite) "Redmond, start your photocopiers" .
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They are amazing!
 
five04 said:
it seems i'm outnumbered with my idea that apple is too personal against microsoft and that they seem a bit arrogant more so now than in the past. i love apple products and have for years, but i'm just responding to how i feel about this. obviously if apple comes up with a good idea microsoft will incorporate it into their own operating systems. get this folks, it's business and microsoft wants to make money. you will not be able to stop that. i think it's very easy to make a comparison about what apple has and microsoft does not, but cracking jokes on a company or a product that isn't due out until 2006 isn't the best way to bolster support for your operating system or products. apple isn't without its faults either. why is it that when i resize a window it doesn't move in real time? windows has been able to do that for as long as i can remember. maybe apple is lagging behind in that field. what about the fast user switching? xp had that before panther. is apple copying microsoft? this goes both ways.
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Those banners are a jab at the features and effects present in Longhorn that Microsoft ripped off from OS X. Apple is stating that despite their best efforts in copying them it will be too little too late. Apple innovates, Microsoft assimilates. You will hear more about this during the keynote. By the way, XP does not have fast user switching. It only has sloooooooooooow user switching.
 
What's Redmond? Please don't answer this in the forum.

I love the explanation of virtual folders that was explained in a rather lengthy post by.... I dunno who, these forums get longer and longer.

It is a major feature that would make Tiger OS X worthwhile to me. I hope to hear that it has been implemented to as large a degree as possible without confusing the masses.

Redmond question is a joke.
 
DoctorQ, MoparShaha, I agree yous guys. I love a lot of things about Apple, even though I currently don't have one. But it's not a good thing to use that kind of criticism publicly. Especially when MS is as big of a powerhouse as they are. The negative messages on those banners are not going to get anybody to switch from Windows to Apple, and in my oppinion those negative messages and cheap stabs don't acheive any of Apple's goals. Yes they are funny, and it's fun to do those things but it's not going to help their current situation any. Jobs needs to sell more computers, he needs more money to update more of Apple's products. Apple needs more buyers to switch from Windows to Apple, and to help bring up their shares. You can't bring MS to their knees on cheap banners that target name calling and jokes. And I agree pissing them off usually is a mistake by any company that opposes with that kind of attitute. There's other ways to get people to buy your computers, I'm kinda ashamed of the banners... :( and angry, it's cheap :mad:
 
I haven't read through all of the posts, but I say to micrapsoft: "F U"!!!

I'm tired of the politically correct, under the breath loathing of M$.

TELL IT LIKE IT IS APPLE!!!

Put out other banners that say:
"Paybacks a beeyatch Redmond"
"Reverse engineer my middle finger Redmond",
"Marketshare don't mean squat unless you can hang on to it Redmond"
"The platform wars have only just begun Redmond"

This is gonna be fun. :D
 
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tick-tock tick-tock

alrgiht people lets get to whats really importnat

WWDC SOON!!! yeah

btw on another note..... it is kind of starting to upset me the way apple tends to rip-off apps and ideas from other people whospend their time deveolping for apple.

i have two examples about tiger so far. one is the Dashboard/Widgets and the Konfabulator (however it is spelt, its 230 in the morning and idont have the patience to check)

and another, which hasnt been mentioned but i think should, is the smart folders. now i knwo apple did create this i itunes but just check version tracker and look for Smart Folders lol.

anywase i like the fact that apple can take such ideas like this and be abel to imple,ent them better and more smoothly than any 3rdd party software developer can into OSX, but i kind of remember a similar situation with jaguar but i totally forget. ne wase, just my 230 am rant.
 
down with Micro$loth......

so what if Apple is making a public stab at M$? M$ has done the same on many, many occasions and i'm not even going to begin a litany of M$ Crimes Against Computing in this thread.
when the switch from 9.2 to X came along, M$ was predicting a rush of people coming to windoesn't. it never eventuated and now, as X gets better and better, more and more people are leaving the borg to join the elves (to mix a sci-fi metaphor with a fantasy one.... ;))
i have no doubt that M$ will incorporate more and more OS-X stuff into "longhorn", all the while calling it a "New Innovation from the Worlds #1 slothware maker".
stuff 'em, stick the boot in whenever and wherever possible.
hopefully, Tiger will be able to be installed onto AMD/Intel boxes. that would be sweet and really make the redmond monolith take note....... ;) :eek:
 
jab for jab sake

joeboy_45101 said:
You know these posters could hint at something very shocking. I do believe that Apple has mentioned in the past that they have a "backup" version of Mac OS X running on the x86 platform. Could "Tiger" run on my PC?
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Now we're talkin'. That would put some guff behind those banners 'cause bashing M$ for the sake of taking a jab is getting old, even if it's personal. Are we assuming that Longhorn is a viable enough evolution of the OS to let M$ set the precidence? I don't see the logic in that. And I'm sure M$ is much more concerned these days with how Open Source systems will play in the market than they are OSX.

So with no webcast, how can there be major product announcements (no G5 imac :( )?
 
nsb3000 said:
They read "Introducing Longhorn" , "Redmond, we have a problem" , "This should keep redmond busy" and (My personal favorite) "Redmond, start your photocopiers" .
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What or who is "Redmond"? Sorry if that is a silly question, but I'm not familiar of that term/name :D
 
Yes a jab for the sake of a jab. Funny as hell, but hush-hush attacks are not getting Apple anywhere. And I think putting personal attacks in banners is just showing how much of an influence MS is on Apple. Why let MS play such an important role in what's supposed to be the broadcast of APPLE computers?

Aside from that, the banners are funny as hell. Even though they only reach out to 5%-7% of the computer shopper population = us...

And I wish they would broadcast this over satelite too, it would have a greater impact to let the public see what Apple's got in store ya know?
 
Huh, huh... Apple cool, M$ pooo.

What a pathetic view... And then some will wonder why the rest of the world (which has something ELSE beyond Windows) thinks Apple users are all zealots. Apple marketing has really a point in motivating that attittude.

Apple, I do not use Windows (XP) so I do not know Windows. What the **** are you talking to me about? Is that your selling point to me? Who are you addressing this pathetic "harrasing" posters: stupid Mac users or stupid Windows users? In any case, not to smart users whatever their platform is...
 
Hasn't anyone seen Barry Lyndon? :p

Anyway, as for the posters.. I think people may be reading way too much into them. I for one am going to hold out judgment on anything until I see it come from Apple. I still am suffering them the Apple banners on their website a couple years ago that stated "Way beyond the rumor sites. Way beyond". What these posters are telling me is...well, zero. I'll let myself be surprised.

I'll hope for the best, but I'll expect nothing.
 
sheesh

jhillestad said:
Apple has plenty of cash , why the heck wont they spring for the satellite uplink ?!?

Are they afraid too many people will venture out to the Apple stores ?!?

This is a ONCE A YEAR event , why wouldnt they uplink it ?!? How am I suppose to get excited about the new stuff if I cant see Steve get excited about it ?!?! Steve could sell me a pack of crushed ice in the middle of the north pole, now I just have to imagine Steve showing Tiger in my mind.....

Just think , the Scott Peterson trial will get more satellite uplink time than Steve Jobs showing Tiger, man what are the smoking up in Cupertino ?!?
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cause a bunch of people paid $$$ to go to the event.
 
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