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WWDC Photos (Monitors), Tiger Screenshots
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wordmunger
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Tiger running on a G3
The best thing about the screenshots (not the ginormous fancy-pants monitors) is that the About This Mac window shows Tiger running on a 900-Mhz G3! Let's hope Tiger maintains G3 support up to its release!
The best thing about the screenshots (not the ginormous fancy-pants monitors) is that the About This Mac window shows Tiger running on a 900-Mhz G3! Let's hope Tiger maintains G3 support up to its release!
bkopi said:
According Apple the 30inch displays can be used on Mac..but could mean a PC ver. is just down the road.
I just noticed this:
Apples 6800 is abit longer then the 6800's for the PC. Maybe it's been tweaked.
Apples: GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL graphics card:
PC version of the GeForce 6800 Ultra: (why no DDL in the name?)
Stella
macrumors G3
LOL -
I wonder how many of these 30" displays Apple will actually sell.. they have a very limited market at the moment -
- Mac only
- G5 only
- Expensive graphics card ( and only one choice )
- $$$$ to spare
They won't be selling them to the average Mac user, that is for sure!
I could imagine Pixar will buy some since they are migrating to Macs...
I wonder how many of these 30" displays Apple will actually sell.. they have a very limited market at the moment -
- Mac only
- G5 only
- Expensive graphics card ( and only one choice )
- $$$$ to spare
They won't be selling them to the average Mac user, that is for sure!
I could imagine Pixar will buy some since they are migrating to Macs...
nagromme said:
melgross
macrumors 6502
6800
There are several things here that are incorrect. First of all this card is NOT a stock 6800. It is a special card that uses DVI connectors that have two parallel DVI signals in each connector. Thus two 30" monitors per card. The stock card allows for one DVI signal per connector.
The specs that NVIDIA are quoting are the specs for a CRT, not an LCD. Specs of LCD's are very different from the analog output to a crt.
The second point is that Apple has stated that a Pc with a card that has the same functionality can drive this monitor. Steve is finally regarding Pc owners as his customers.
Try this link:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=M9593G/A
This is from Apple's PDF, it explains a little about the DVI spec:
The DVI standard specifies a single connector that handles two different digital signal bandwidths: single link and dual link. At 165MHz, the single-link bandwidth supports HDTV and UXGA (1600-by-1200-pixel resolution) display formats. The dual-link bandwidth (transmitted over a single cable) uses the same DVI connection, but it supports much higher resolutions, such as the 2560-by-1600-pixel resolution of the 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Display.
In other words, DVI SL supports 1920x1200 at 60Hz or 1600x1200 at 60Hz.
DVI DL has double the bandwidth and supports a combination of rez and refresh that would use that bandwidth. Hence 2560x1600 at 60Hz. The confusion arises from the fact that with an LCD the rez and refresh rate is limited by the DVI bandwidth. If the card can deliver more, it doesn't matter because the DVI limits the output. DVI SL was designed for HDTV 1080p.
It's "G5 only" on the Mac, because those are the only machines that have an 8x AGP port. Some G5's don't have that either, such as the 1.6GHz and the new dual 1.8Hz. If a Pc has an 8x AGP slot, and a dual link card is available, then this monitor will work.
I hope that clears things up.
bkopi said:
There are several things here that are incorrect. First of all this card is NOT a stock 6800. It is a special card that uses DVI connectors that have two parallel DVI signals in each connector. Thus two 30" monitors per card. The stock card allows for one DVI signal per connector.
The specs that NVIDIA are quoting are the specs for a CRT, not an LCD. Specs of LCD's are very different from the analog output to a crt.
The second point is that Apple has stated that a Pc with a card that has the same functionality can drive this monitor. Steve is finally regarding Pc owners as his customers.
Try this link:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=M9593G/A
This is from Apple's PDF, it explains a little about the DVI spec:
The DVI standard specifies a single connector that handles two different digital signal bandwidths: single link and dual link. At 165MHz, the single-link bandwidth supports HDTV and UXGA (1600-by-1200-pixel resolution) display formats. The dual-link bandwidth (transmitted over a single cable) uses the same DVI connection, but it supports much higher resolutions, such as the 2560-by-1600-pixel resolution of the 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Display.
In other words, DVI SL supports 1920x1200 at 60Hz or 1600x1200 at 60Hz.
DVI DL has double the bandwidth and supports a combination of rez and refresh that would use that bandwidth. Hence 2560x1600 at 60Hz. The confusion arises from the fact that with an LCD the rez and refresh rate is limited by the DVI bandwidth. If the card can deliver more, it doesn't matter because the DVI limits the output. DVI SL was designed for HDTV 1080p.
It's "G5 only" on the Mac, because those are the only machines that have an 8x AGP port. Some G5's don't have that either, such as the 1.6GHz and the new dual 1.8Hz. If a Pc has an 8x AGP slot, and a dual link card is available, then this monitor will work.
I hope that clears things up.
aethier
macrumors 6502a
nagromme said:
the real solution (found if you watched the webcast) is that, its not scaled, or borrowing pixels, its done by using one dvi port to draw the top half of the screen, and the second to drive the second half of the screen. totalling a res of quite high. it does not work on PC's but the 20inch and 23inchers do...
aethier
aethier said:
Yeah, melgross got it right. It only has one connector, but it runs at double speed.
BEN
Sabbath
macrumors 6502a
Wow that 30"er is impressive it manages to even make the G5 case look small, the keyboard is so out of proportion (in terms of what we are used to) compared to the dual 30" setup.
Additionally that graphics card is massive it looks like its filling up almost the entire PCI segment of the G5 case, we sure won't be seeing the dual graphics card setup of alienware and nvidia without some physical changes to the case. I wonder if the card is so big because it still draws power from the agp pro slot which used to go to the adc connenctor, and hence the voltage has to be lowered.
I'm starting to like the look of these displays more and more, I just hate that head on angle Apple has on its website.
EDIT: just looked again at the pictures of the apple and pc 6800 and apple is definitely drawing power from the agp pro bit. A much neater solution all round, than the dual extra connectors on the PC version if you ask me.
Additionally that graphics card is massive it looks like its filling up almost the entire PCI segment of the G5 case, we sure won't be seeing the dual graphics card setup of alienware and nvidia without some physical changes to the case. I wonder if the card is so big because it still draws power from the agp pro slot which used to go to the adc connenctor, and hence the voltage has to be lowered.
I'm starting to like the look of these displays more and more, I just hate that head on angle Apple has on its website.
EDIT: just looked again at the pictures of the apple and pc 6800 and apple is definitely drawing power from the agp pro bit. A much neater solution all round, than the dual extra connectors on the PC version if you ask me.
BornAgainMac
macrumors 604
Freg3000 said:
iSync the last of the free programs from Apple. Seems like everything is a paid upgrade. iLife, Safari, iChat, etc...
There are already many Dual-Link cards for PCs that should work for this 30in. Just that they're all > $600, i think.
However, the problem is that this 30in is single-input, and I believe that there is no DL switch on the market (well, maybe someone will make one and charge $1000... )
So at least in the near future, we can't share this $$$$ monitor between a PC and a Mac....
However, the problem is that this 30in is single-input, and I believe that there is no DL switch on the market (well, maybe someone will make one and charge $1000... )
So at least in the near future, we can't share this $$$$ monitor between a PC and a Mac....
adamfilip said:
nVidia's QuadroFX line has Dual DVI Linking, and should be able to power the 30".
"dual DVI digital connectors drive the highest resolution digital displays available on the market. Dual-link DVI connector drives QUXGA-wide displays via a single connector."
"up to 2048x1536 per display or 3840x2400 for a single digital display"
So I suppose you couldn't get two 30" to work on a Quadro. Possibly.
Now I just need a capable KVM switch so both my mac and pc can use it!
bitfactory said:
Yes, please.
And: Whats with the "Services"-menu? Can I take screenshots from the finder? Anyone tried to run a java-app? Is that faster? How much can you modify the apperarance of the OS?
melgross
macrumors 6502
link
All dual link signals are coming from one connector, not two. The older IBM monitor had to use two cards because there were no dual link cards out at the time. Even if there were, they wouldn't have had the bandwidth to be of use. Only the last generation, and the new one have that kind of bandwidth.
Apple has two dual link connectors, therefore connecting two 30" monitors.
Arael said:
All dual link signals are coming from one connector, not two. The older IBM monitor had to use two cards because there were no dual link cards out at the time. Even if there were, they wouldn't have had the bandwidth to be of use. Only the last generation, and the new one have that kind of bandwidth.
Apple has two dual link connectors, therefore connecting two 30" monitors.