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WWDC Photos (Monitors), Tiger Screenshots

3G4N said:
nVidia's QuadroFX line has Dual DVI Linking, and should be able to power the 30".

"dual DVI digital connectors drive the highest resolution digital displays available on the market. Dual-link DVI connector drives QUXGA-wide displays via a single connector."
"up to 2048x1536 per display or 3840x2400 for a single digital display"

So I suppose you couldn't get two 30" to work on a Quadro. Possibly.

Now I just need a capable KVM switch so both my mac and pc can use it!
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Sounds like it'll work.

BTW... I'm pointlessly curious (and, admittedly... lazy). Does anyone know if these Dual-DVI connectors are backward compatible to regular DVI?

i.e. 6800 Ultra DDL driving a 30" and a 23" ??
 
does anyone know how the resolution is scaled to the 30" from the other models...

sorry for the backwards way of asking, but ..


i have a 22" cinema that i use and love.. i bought a 23" and the res at native produced text and icons (etc) that were too small for me so i sold it and switched back to my 22".

how can i discern the way the 30" will be in this regard.?

thanks
 
Does anyone else think the keyboard's style is really out of sync with the tower and monitors? Looks like a toy sitting next to some serious hardware.
 
benoda said:
Does anyone else think the keyboard's style is really out of sync with the tower and monitors? Looks like a toy sitting next to some serious hardware.
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yeah i was thinking that also.... i thought that they could have at least used bluetooth...
 
bkopi said:
According to nVidia's specifications the GeForce 6800 GPU can deliver a resolution of up to 2048x1536. The specs are on their web site at http://www.nvidia.com/page/pg_20040406661996.html
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First, I'm not sure if the new card has one or two GPUs on it (or potentially even more). That having been said, the 2048x1536 resolution is cited as the max res for the standard GPU simply because that's DVI's max res. nVidia doesn't guarantee or support a higher resolution because none of thei board-making partners can use it ... until now of course.

I wonder now, how on earth can any video card based on that GPU drive the new 30" display at a resolution of 2560x1600?! And why this display is only supposed to be good for MACs? The GeForce 6800 is available for PCs also!
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Dual DVI. (Dual dual DVI, in fact). First question's answer: dual DVI removes the 2048x1536 pixel restriction placed on the GPU by the DVI interface. Second question's answer: the dual DVI cards are only announced for the Mac platform.

And anyway, Apple never claimed that a dual 30" display configuration can be driven at maximum resolution at the same time by a G5 with a GeForce 6800..
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Um, yes they did. Steve made quite a point about driving 8.2 million pixels off the nVidia card.
 
benoda said:
Does anyone else think the keyboard's style is really out of sync with the tower and monitors? Looks like a toy sitting next to some serious hardware.
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Yeah I think apple should come out with aluminum keyboards and mice. That would be awesome to match the color scheme... and of course maybe two buttons and a wheel, but that probably wont ever happen.
 
pentajigga said:
does anyone know how the resolution is scaled to the 30" from the other models...

sorry for the backwards way of asking, but ..


i have a 22" cinema that i use and love.. i bought a 23" and the res at native produced text and icons (etc) that were too small for me so i sold it and switched back to my 22".

how can i discern the way the 30" will be in this regard.?

thanks
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I won't do the math here, but you can tell by dividing the horiz. number of pixels by the width of the screen to come up with the number of pixels per inch. The new monitors are 100 pixels per inch. I don't remember what the older ones are, but measure it yourself.

Don't forget that you can change both the icon size as well as the default text size for the desktop and windows. Go to View and get your settings for the desktop or windows there. Safari also lets you set a minimum text size.

It's all about learning what you can control.
 
Is it just me, or is there anyone else who doesn't find the new monitors very artistically impressive? The *screens* look fabulous. But the bodies lack the aesthetic care of the current gen Apple displays. 🙁 Maybe its better in person? From the photos they don't look that much nicer than most silver plastic win-world monitors....

But the screens themselves...now then....
 
jettredmont said:
First, I'm not sure if the new card has one or two GPUs on it (or potentially even more). That having been said, the 2048x1536 resolution is cited as the max res for the standard GPU simply because that's DVI's max res. nVidia doesn't guarantee or support a higher resolution because none of thei board-making partners can use it ... until now of course.



Dual DVI. (Dual dual DVI, in fact). First question's answer: dual DVI removes the 2048x1536 pixel restriction placed on the GPU by the DVI interface. Second question's answer: the dual DVI cards are only announced for the Mac platform.



Um, yes they did. Steve made quite a point about driving 8.2 million pixels off the nVidia card.
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This is really more for jettredmont, but I'm putting it here. You're right about the 8.2M pixels.

DVI does not have a max rez per se. It's a matter of how the bandwidth is used. The higher the rez, the lower the refresh. A bandwidth of 2,000x1500 would give a refresh of about 40Hz. A rez of 2560x1600 would refresh at about 26Hz.

You really should scan the entire thread. Too many guys pop in and don't see the answers that have already been given. I went through this a while ago. Unfortunatly I have to leave this discussion for a while.
 
I think I'm gonna get one of the old 20" from MacMall. These just look like everything else. I wish the old ones had gone down more in price, though.
 
melgross said:
All dual link signals are coming from one connector, not two. The older IBM monitor had to use two cards because there were no dual link cards out at the time. Even if there were, they wouldn't have had the bandwidth to be of use. Only the last generation, and the new one have that kind of bandwidth.

Apple has two dual link connectors, therefore connecting two 30" monitors.
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Of course, I agree. But I didn't say anything about dual-link using two connectors.
I just wish that the 30in has two dual-link inputs, so that it can be used with a mac and a PC at the same time, without a (not-existing-yet) switch.
 
thanks melgross, but 2 problems are that in my programs (logic, ableton live, etc) i cant shift the sizes of the icons, text....

and right now im on PC (booo, hisss)... so im hoping for a card dat runs this thing (100% verified)...

thanks
 
Is it just me?

Is it just me, or does the white keyboard seem a bit out of place next to one of these monitors and a powerbook?
 
carletonmusic said:
Impressive - it's just a shame that on top of $3299, you have to pay $599 for the video card to drive it. 🙁
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Or just wait for the next release of PowerMac G5 🙂
 
pentajigga said:
i have a 22" cinema that i use and love.. i bought a 23" and the res at native produced text and icons (etc) that were too small for me so i sold it and switched back to my 22".

how can i discern the way the 30" will be in this regard.?
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Ask and ye shall receive 🙂 I know what you mean about the large type on the old 22"--I liked that too. Bascially, the 30" will have EVEN smaller type than the 23". They may be "around" 100 DPI each, but in fact they do vary.

I keep an updated list of full DPI/res specs on ALL Apple displays. My premise in this list is that display size in inches is NOT the key factor. It's just a result of the two REAL important factors: DPI and workspace/windowing area. Two eMacs side by side will both have the same screen size in inches, but the one at 1024x768 has less area for windows than the one set to 1280x960. But the 1024x768 has lower DPI, and lower DPI means bigger pixels, and thus bigger more readable text. As someone who uses computers for long hours, that's a plus for my eyes!

Similarly, two LCDs of similar size (22" and 23" say) may have VERY different windowing areas available. That 23" HD display is MUCH larger in terms of number of pixels: the pixels are smaller than the 22". But thus, less readable on one sense, especially when sitting comfortably away from the screen.

Some people want as many pixels crammed in as they can: more room for palettes. That seems to be the trend in displays now. But others want to avoid high DPIs with teeny tiny text/pixels. It depends what you're after... hope this list helps someone!

I've compared the native (= sharp) resolution of all the recent Mac LCDs, plus a few different modes for CRT iMacs and eMacs. The 23" (and possibly 30") Cinema HD display is unique in that has TWO totally sharp "native" resolutions: you can double the DPI so that every dot is actually a group of four. (Those are some BIG pixels. And "best for LCD" font smoothing doesn't work on doubled pixels.)


Here are all Apple display options in the order of lowest DPI (largest type) to highest DPI (tiniest type). To compare pixel areas, I've given each one's size in megapixels (H x V / 1 million). A display with twice the megapixels can fit twice the windows and tools. (DPI is rounded to the nearest pixel. HxV inch sizes are approximate within one-tenth of an inch.) This list does NOT give brightness/contrast info, or viewing angle ranges--so check out displays in person before buying if you can!

I've also given (in parentheses) the actual size of the viewing rectangle, which people often ask about. (All calculated from specs, not measured.) For CRTs, that size means the image--not the whole screen with borders.

23" Cinema HD Display (doubled to 960x600 in 19.6x12.2"):
49 DPI
.58 megapixels

30" (29.7" veiwable) Cinema Display (doubled--if permitted--to 1280x800 in 25.2x15.7"):
51 DPI
1.02 megapixels

eMac 15.5"-viewable CRT (at 640x480 in 12.4x9.3"):
52 DPI
.31 megapixels

G3 iMac CRT 13.8"-viewable (at 640x480 in 11.1x8.3"):
58 DPI
.31 megapixels

eMac 15.5"-viewable CRT (at 800x600 in 12.4x9.3"):
65 DPI
.48 megapixels

Mac Plus or SE 9" CRT (512x384 in 7.1x5.3"):
72 DPI
.2 megapixels

G3 iMac CRT 13.8"-viewable (at 800x600 in 11.1x8.3"):
72 DPI
.48 megapixels

eMac 15.5"-viewable CRT (at 1024x768 in 12.4x9.3"):
83 DPI
.79 megapixels

Original 12.1" iBook (800x600 in 9.6x7.2"):
83 DPI
.48 megapixels

G4 iMac 15" or 15" Studio Display (1024x768 in 12x9"):
85 DPI
.79 megapixels

22" Cinema Display (1600x1024 in 18.6x11.9"):
86 DPI
1.92 megapixels

14" iBook or PowerBook G3 (1024x768 in 11.3x8.4"):
91 DPI
.79 megapixels

Original Titanium PowerBook G4 15.2" (1152x768 in 12.7x8.4"):
91 DPI
.88 megapixels

eMac 15.5"-viewable CRT (at 1152x864 in 12.4x9.3"):
93 DPI
1 megapixel

G3 iMac CRT 13.8"-viewable (at 1024x768 in 11.1x8.3"):
93 DPI
.79 megapixels

17" Studio Display (1280x1024 in 13.3x10.7"):
96 DPI
1.31 megapixels

23" Cinema HD Display (1920x1200 in 19.6x12.2"):
98 DPI
2.3 megapixels

20" Cinema Display (1680x1050 in 17x10.6"):
99 DPI
1.76 megapixels

17" iMac or Aluminum PowerBook (1440x900 in 14.4x9"):
100 DPI
1.3 megapixels

15.2" Aluminum PowerBook or updated Titanium (1280x854 in 12.7x8.4"):
101 DPI
1.09 megapixels

iPod 2" (160x128 in 1.56x1.25"): (MINI ??????)
102 DPI
.02 megapixels

30" (29.7" veiwable) Cinema Display (2560x1600 in 25.2x15.7"):
102 DPI
4.01 megapixels

eMac 15.5"-viewable CRT (at 1280x960 in 12.4x9.3"):
103 DPI
1.23 megapixels

12.1" iBook or Aluminum PowerBook (1024x768 in 9.7x7.3"):
106 DPI
.79 megapixels


Speaking for myself, recent DPIs (above 90) can get hard on my eyes after long use--but with a bright enough screen, I'm fine with my AlBook's 102. Yet I prefer someting larger than .79 megapixels (1024x768) for fitting windows and palettes. I went with an eMac (multiple resolutions) so I don't have to choose, but I did miss LCD sharpness until I got the AlBook.

Also note that LCDs can effectively triple the horizontal resolution for text (at the expense of minor CRT-like color fringing) using subpixel anti-aliasing. To activate that, in System Preferences, choose any smoothing setting other than "best for CRT" and then log out and back in. All your text will be less blocky--notice the V in View, for instance. To turn the effect back off temporarily and compare, switch to Thousands of colors. (Since it only works in Millions.)

By the way, here are formulas for DPI and viewable dimensions that will work even when comparing widescreen vs. normal-ratio displays:

H = horizontal pixels
V = vertical pixels
D = diagonal (viewable) inches

DPI = sq.root( H^2 + V^2 ) / D

Horizontal inches = H / DPI

Vertical inches = V / DPI

Megapixels = H x V / 1,000,000

Now you know... more than you wanted 😀
 
xtekdiver said:
Is it just me, or does the white keyboard seem a bit out of place next to one of these monitors and a powerbook?
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About 5 people have already posted this detail. Shees teh more people say it, is not going to make Apple release a AL keyboard and mouse and a WiFi also solution. Shees

Is it me or doesn't that G5 tower and 30inch Screen look out of place with that plastic keyboard and mouse 😉
 
Freg3000 said:
iSync is gone??? What? 😱
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I hope the Tiger Sync Engine works as well as iSync. I guess some people have had problems with sync-ing with phones, but it works perfectly between my PB, PM, and iPod. I was so happy when they released it, it makes things much easier.

And next time anyone is tempted to do some French-bashing, remember that iSync came out of Apple France! 😎

Or if you do have problems with it, I guess you can blame the French. 😀

Hopefully any kinks anyone had will be fixed in Tiger, and it looks like it will be even better, with more things being sync-ed.
 
må¥å said:
About 5 people have already posted this detail. Shees teh more people say it, is not going to make Apple release a AL keyboard and mouse and a WiFi also solution. Shees

Is it me or doesn't that G5 tower and 30inch Screen look out of place with that plastic keyboard and mouse 😉
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Nope, it's not just you! The thing is getting even more confusing after you take a look at QTVR of new system where we can clearly see that the keyboard and the mouse are GREY - to match that G5 alu-look. Maybe the same color as keys on PowerBooks.... I was so happy to see that Apple finally color-matched it with G5.

And then.... on my horror I saw photos from the show with cheap white keyboard and mouse?!?! WTF? I'll fork out 7500$ on a system and then have color miss-matched keyboard and mouse???!??!!?

Please tell me that this is not true...
 
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Very good Nagromme. That's more time than I could have spent on it.

The formula isn't required though. As pixels on computer displays are square, all that is needed is to divide the horiz. or vertical display resolution by it's actual length in inches to come up with the dpi. Or are you thinking of something else?
 
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Very good Nagromme. That's more time than I could have spent on it.

The formula isn't required though. As pixels on computer displays are square, all that is needed is to divide the horiz. or vertical display resolution by it's actual length in inches to come up with the dpi. Or are you thinking of something else?

Sorry this post is duplicated. It said that it couldn't open the server, so I sent it again.

It LIED!
 
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