WWDC PowerBook G5 2.2GHz?

[HasanDaddy]

okay - for the record

I believe the rumor (I don't know if we'll see up to 2.2) but I do think we'll see a PB G5 at WWDC

BRING IT ON APPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bob_the_gorilla]

I still think the chip is too hot and power-hungry to be put in a laptop yet. If the G4s get unbearably hot (I should know), what on earth would the G5s be like?

 

[dizastor]

when i first saw this, i thought the rumor was for 2.2ghz PowerMacs... after a yearlong drought of updates that would be a really pathetic bump.

I don't think we'll see G5 powerbooks, but I'm not confident enough to make any sock eating comments... I do hope this rumor is true, if only to see all of you eat socks live via webcam.

 

[zulgand04]

I was just thinking wasnt there a story a couple months ago hinting at refresh's on most product lines around WWDC. I thought i read it somewhere don't remeber where though.
So there always is a possibility.

_Neal

Found it.
"In addition to updating resellers on the status of Xserve G5 shipments, Hansen reportedly provided hints that the company would be 'refreshing' many of its professional products during its World Wide Developers conference, set to take place in San Francisco during the final week of June." http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=416

-Neal

 

[Steven1621]

If that happens i will eat all my socks

if this happens, i will eat my brand new powerbook g4 that came last month!

 

[DrGruv1]

The ONLY problem is the chip...

Because they've had AT LEAST 1.5 years to get it ready....

The G5's PowerMac have been out for over a year (-25 days )

They had chip samples probably for 2 years... So they didn't engineer the board and cooling system in 2 YEARS!?!

(they could be coming..) IF the chip is ready

-mike

 

[wizard]

Interesting that this post has been removed?

As to faster PowerBooks, there is nothing to keep Apple form using faster G4's if Motorola can get its act together and deliver such a beast.

From the thermal point of view I don't see the FX as being a portable chip. Maybe the will double the battery size. Something would have to be done to extend run times.

On the other hand the reference was to a "new G5" so maybe they have a 970 optimized for portable duty. The 970 would be a much better portable chip if it was simply upgraded with an on board memory controller.

Thanks
Dave

In an anonymous post to Craig's List, one participant claims:



Obviously anonymous mailing list posts lack much credibility.

 

[pjkelnhofer]

if this happens, i will eat my brand new powerbook g4 that came last month!

Mmm... G4.

Seriously, rather than eat it, send it to me, I would be quite happy with a G4 PowerBook. It would be a nice replacement for my G3 iMac.

 

[Macmaniac]

Its getting kinda of sad how we are getting so desperate for news of a PB G5, we are accepting the most random postings in hope that they will equal a new PB. Kinda reminds me of the McCarthy era where the most random things were used to try and prove a point. This belongs on Page 10. Next thing we know Spam will be providing the existance of PowerMac G6's

 

[SeanMcg]

Whither the 975?

...also the teams developing the g5 powerbook and the team developing the recently updated g4 powerbook are different teams they may very well have had a breakthrough with maybe the 975 or getting good yields of the 970fx?...

Can anyone provide a credible link to proof that IBM actually has planned or is working on a PowerPC 975 chip? AFAIK, I have not seen IBM release a suprise member of a chip family currently in production. I would love to be wrong on this. If someone has seen them do otherwise, please let us know.

As far as this rumor goes, I have to agree that it seems unlikely. However, Apple has announced products long before they shipped, or whose ship dates have un(?)intentionally slipped. Admittedly, these were breakthrough products that had little chance of cannibalizing sales of products currently in production, e.g. Xserve and/or Xserve RAID.

If Apple does announce a G5 PowerBook, I think they would have to drop the price on the PBG4s. This would reduce inventories by selling to people who can't wait or who don't care.

 

[denm316]

This is just down right comical, does anyone really think that this is going to happen at WWDC, unless this rumor was meant to represent WWDC '05...then there is a shot.

 

[mrsebastian]

not that i don't wish this rumor were true, there is just no way! for one, i'm sure apple's priority right now are the g5 powermac since they're lagging on that. second, there were just updates to the powerbooks. third unless a miracle happened over at apple design or they figured out how to liquid cool powerbooks, the g5 is too hot for powerbooks.

 

[pjkelnhofer]

Interesting that this post has been removed?

As to faster PowerBooks, there is nothing to keep Apple form using faster G4's if Motorola can get its act together and deliver such a beast.

I suspect it was removed because it was put was a classified ad.

As for faster G4's, is there any more reason to suspect that Moto has come up with a faster G4 (>1.5 MHz?) then there is to suspect that IBM has come up with a mobile or cooler version of the G5.

Is there anywhere to find what chips are actually inside the different Macs currently offered? I assume the MPC7447A is in the iBook and PowerBook and the MPC7457 is in the iMac, eMac and G4 PowerMac. Seeing as the 7447A is a lower power version of a chip that topped out at 1.267 GHz (according to Moto's own numbers), unless Moto is going to unveil a whole new chip where would another speed bump even come from?

 

[macrumors12345]

In an anonymous post to Craig's List, one participant claims:



Obviously anonymous mailing list posts lack much credibility.

Page 2?? This belongs on Page 10...

 

[iLilana]

socks

If this is true I will eat socks for the rest of my life.

heck if this is true I will never afford socks again.

 

[thatwendigo]

I agree, although the PB's were upgraded in April, for over a year now it has been nothing but speed bumps and minor improvements. In fact, since the introduction of the G5 PowerMac only the iBook has had a truly major revision (G3->G4). Otherwise, it has been speed bump after speed bump for everything (iMac, eMac, and PowerBook). To me it looks like Apple is just trying to get the most of out the Moto G4's until there is no gain left to get. Well... does anyone expect the G4 to keep getting faster? If not, there is not where else for the PB line to go other than G5.

Those "speed bumps" have also included at least three changes in processor - 7455 to 7457 to 7447A. The first two are pin-compatible, but I've heard some mutterings that the last is not compatible with the others and would require a new pin-out for the socket and minor revisions to the motherboard.

Oh, and I'm one of those people who does expect the G4 to "keep getting faster," because the core is about to be the basis for a new processor. The FreeScale e600 is a G4-based design with on-die memory controller, 400mhz FSB, low power consumption, and a clockrate that should be introduced around 2.0ghz at a mere 17 watts peak. The dual-core version adds a second logical core, and only 8 more watts, for a dual 2.0ghz chip at 25 watts peak expenditure.

That is what I want in the PowerBook.

 

[jeff.macaddict]

probably not

Since the PowerBooks were just updated, I can't really see Apple introducing a new line of 'Books. But, if they did, what would they do with the PowerBook G4's? I really can't see Apple having such a short lived revision.

And if PowerBook G5s were introduced, they would end the G4 lineup, and put that technology in the iBooks, which aslo were just updated.

Perhaps, its not a PowerBook that the G5 is going into? Maybe Apple is introducing a new, a third portable option? (my lame guess is XBook) As far as I know, it still doesnt seem like they can cool the G5 enough for portable use.

 

[pjkelnhofer]

Oh, and I'm one of those people who does expect the G4 to "keep getting faster," because the core is about to be the basis for a new processor. The FreeScale e600 is a G4-based design with on-die memory controller, 400mhz FSB, low power consumption, and a clockrate that should be introduced around 2.0ghz at a mere 17 watts peak. The dual-core version adds a second logical core, and only 8 more watts, for a dual 2.0ghz chip at 25 watts peak expenditure.

That is what I want in the PowerBook.

I just read all the FreeScale stuff on Motorola's site. I must say it is very interesting.
It seems logical for Apple to use these chips in PB's before going to the G5. In fact it seems they would be faster MHz for MHz than current Moto G4's.

Even more interesting is the upcoming e700.

e700
To scale to 3 GHz and beyond in next-generation process technologies.

Supports Supports 32-bit and 64-bit software.

Could this turn out to be Moto's version of the G5 and Apple's eventualy portable G5 solution?

 

[Wonder Boy]

hahaha. ya right.

 

[mkwilson68]

Not a chance in hell

The only chance of a PB G5 appearing as early as June is if it is a completely new model that sits alongside the PB G4's at a premium price. And they are not going to get a G5 in the 12" for June, that's 110% certain.

Not even worthy of a page 2 item, imho.

 

[micvog]

Perhaps, its not a PowerBook that the G5 is going into? Maybe Apple is introducing a new, a third portable option?

My guess is you're half-right. Didn't one of the rumor sites mention that a G5 laptop motherboard is currently being manufactured, but it is going to end up in the iMac? A G5 iMac at WWDC makes sense to me, especially at 1.6GHz.

 

[suzerain]

well...

...obviously, this post is utter bull****.

but if it weren't, i would so be buying one of those.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

My guess is you're half-right. Didn't one of the rumor sites mention that a G5 laptop motherboard is currently being manufactured, but it is going to end up in the iMac? A G5 iMac at WWDC makes sense to me, especially at 1.6GHz.

I happen to agree with this observation. The iMacs are most definitely ready for G5 processors (even if it means a case redesign), but the PowerBooks are far from ready. The G5 iMac might also be introduced at 1.4 GHz and have higher-end 1.6 and 1.8 GHz models, too - but Apple will only do this if 2.0 GHz is the new low-end for the PowerMac G5. I hope this scenario DOES NOT come true!

 

[thatwendigo]

I just read all the FreeScale stuff on Motorola's site. I must say it is very interesting.
It seems logical for Apple to use these chips in PB's before going to the G5. In fact it seems they would be faster MHz for MHz than current Moto G4's.

An additional fact for you to put in front of anyone who trots out the "Moto? Graaah!" defense: two of their four new designs are shipping right now. The e300 and e500 are moving in volume and filling orders as we speak, selling mostly to embedded and communications solutions markets. Particularly interesting, the e500 has on-chip encryption capabilities that vastly speed the process of encoding and decoding keys for point-to-point secure communication, and they handle nearly every modern format I've seen any reference to.

I've heard that the e600 will be roughly 20-40% improved clock-to-clock with the G4, while also scaling higher. The reason for this is a massive revision of the core logics, while retaining the legacy MPC74xx libraries so that older code will still execute. Also, the on-die memory controller will speed things up, especially when paired with the 400 mhz system bus and modern RAM modules that can be fully taken advantage of.

Even more interesting is the upcoming e700.

Could this turn out to be Moto's version of the G5 and Apple's eventualy portable G5 solution?

It very much looks like it's the long-delayed Motorola "G5" that Apple couldn't wait for, because the execution units can handle 32 and 64-bit addressing and integers, which allows for the same kind of computing as the 970. One advantage the e700 will have, though, is dual-precision 128-bit SIMD, which is extraordinarily important for the scientific and engineering communities.

 

[DocGonzo2k3]

hidden info in 10.3.4-This one worth a new Thread!!

I found this on w3.hardmac.com!! And it speaks for it self

hidden info in 10.3.4

The recent OSX update 10.3.4 reveals that new PowerMac or iMac G5 are existing, ready or close to be launched.

The previous update already included an unknown reference code: Power Mac 7,3.
None of the current Apple computers owns such a reference code. Indeed, reference code of the current PowerMac G5 is Power Mac 7,2.
For information, PowerMac G4 had as reference code Power Mac 3,x, Cube G4: Power Mac 5,1 and iMac TFT and eMac Power Mac 4,x and 6,x respectively. You can find the complete list here: http://www.theapplemuseum.com/index.php?id=tam&page=products&subpage=newworld

Now if we look in details in the last MacOSX update, we can identify a new reference code: Power Mac 8,1, so it would mean that it is not an update of one of the current model, but a brand new model!!

We can also find the reference code SMU_Neo2, which could mean that Neo2 would be a new version of the current processor. If it is clear that the new processor will be derived from the current one, it is not clear if it will be a light version (such as the 970fx in the Xserve) or a boosted version (!!!)!

If you want to know more, look inside the last update 10.3.4, open this file:
/System/Library/Extensions/AppleMacRISC4PE.kext/
Contents/info.plist
and search for "8,1".

Knowing that the PowerMac G5 and the iMac have not been updated recently since a long time, then you can conclude...what you want... ;-)

I let you dream...
(for me, my personal feeling, the PowerMac 8,1 is an iMac G5 with a new design, available at the end of June, whereas the PowerMac 7,3 will be the revision of the current PowerMac G5, available at the same time)

My Dream goes much further.....POWERBOOK G5 2.2 GHZ

greetz gonzo2k3


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