Microsoft and Amazon are about to prove their is no monopoly on iOS apps for the people who actually believe there can be such a thing
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Xbox Cloud Gaming 'Absolutely Will End Up on iOS,' Says Microsoft Gaming Boss
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No it is a massive win for apple. Microsoft is about to prove to the world that the apple App Store is not the sole method for get apps on a iPhone
PWA's can't come close to a native app.
The whole reason why iOS has an App Store is because Apple figured that out after the launch of the first iPhone. (The original plan was to only have PWA's, through the method you described.)
Hope this happens soon. Look forward to being able to earn achievements over Xbox, PC and my iPhone/iPad.
What they are doing is innovating. Unlike the fiasco with the other game developer not wanting to pay the 30% they are looking for a solution by any technical means at their disposal.
If they had their platform to push XCloud, XCloud could potentially poach iOS users. The financial hit of putting it only on Apple wouldn't be as big if they had 20 million MS phone users signing up for XCloud. Apple does what they want with their mothership and MS does not have a mothership for this. Sucks for them.
Well, even Steve Jobs had been saying it from the get go. If you don't want to go through the review process, create a web app.
Absolutely it will. Other companies will see build on their solution and bypass the Apple's app store completely. Apple will make some sort of compromise to get it in to their app store.
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So how does that not result in a loss for Apple? 🤔
This will, and others WILL end up on the AppStore. Apple will have no option but too - if they refuse,
Wouldn't make any difference. Microsoft would still want xCloud to be available to iOS users even if Microsoft's mobile platform was still around. Same way as Apple don't restrict their audio and video content to only iOS, they want to make it available to non iOS users.
Wouldn't make any difference. Microsoft would still want xCloud to be available to iOS users even if Microsoft's mobile platform was still around. Same way as Apple don't restrict their audio and video content to only iOS, they want to make it available to non iOS users.
Apple completely missed the move to cloud and is now becoming obsolete.
who cares about the fast chips and SDKs and all that when soon all workloads will run on the internet in cloud data centers?
The devices you are using won’t matter much anymore. Google foresaw that with their chromeOS but was way ahead of its time.
iCloud is a very simple version of a cloud services and offers only very limited functionality. Microsoft azure on the other hand is on another level.
Apple need to move quickly and readjust their strategy. Soon people won’t be paying huge premiums for -devices- anymore.
This is part of the reason they are so afraid of the xCloud app.
who cares about the fast chips and SDKs and all that when soon all workloads will run on the internet in cloud data centers?
The devices you are using won’t matter much anymore. Google foresaw that with their chromeOS but was way ahead of its time.
iCloud is a very simple version of a cloud services and offers only very limited functionality. Microsoft azure on the other hand is on another level.
Apple need to move quickly and readjust their strategy. Soon people won’t be paying huge premiums for -devices- anymore.
This is part of the reason they are so afraid of the xCloud app.
It depends on the app doesnt it? for some experiences you need access to the metal, but when you look at the App Store, despite Apple’s guidelines, there’s an ocean of apps that are basically app versions of a website or e-commerce shop made with cross-platform frameworks (ionic, flutter, etc) that use none of the native hardware or OS resources.
No more BS about apple having a monopoly in iOS apps, MS can have their game service that apple doesn't want on their platform so they are not worried about the money and they dont have worry about the content on the service. If anything goes wrong or a kid plays something inappropriate then not apples problem
I don't think Apple will allow dynamic code streamed from the cloud to be executed on IOS (and I can't blame them). To much of a free ride for an attack vector.
Your move Apple then Sony. Apple please adapt to the reality. This is the future of gaming just like videos. Sony please be ready to bring PSNow to Apple TV and iOS.
Also a lot of people are too excited by the cloud services. PSNow on a PS4 looks like a PS3, has connection problems and other issues. It’s a great option for mobility and playing a few games but native stuff still shines. Both will exist just fine together.
Also a lot of people are too excited by the cloud services. PSNow on a PS4 looks like a PS3, has connection problems and other issues. It’s a great option for mobility and playing a few games but native stuff still shines. Both will exist just fine together.
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So it's not a loss for Apple because kids may play COD on their iPhone? I'm not following what you're arguing. Is your argument that kids may play more mature games outweighs any possible revenue they may receive by incorporating Apple's app store?
This is no different than interactive TV content. There's an input which is game controller, which is sent to xCloud and a stream of the game is sent to the iOS device. No game code is executed. The device that is being used to play the game on is essentially a dumb terminal.
What I'm saying is, apple doesn't want xcloud in their store so they are losing no money, this way its win win. Apple doesn't have to xcloud in its store and people cant use the gatekeeper argument because MS is about to prove their is another way to get apps on iOS without forcing apple to allow 3rd party store. The final smaller win is apple doesn't have a risk of people switching to android purely for xcloud. Additionally it removes all responsibility from apple on what people may get exposed to via xcloud as it wasn't download via their store. Looks like this works out perfect for apple
That is different than interactive TV content, is that one is not playing a game. But we will see how this develops. It will be interesting.
I will give you the very negligible amount of people who will/would switch to the Android platform to get access to XCloud. The latter is insignificant as Microsoft adheres to basically the same guidelines as Apple when it comes to games. Your first point, Apple is most certainly missing out on a possible revenue stream.
Apple wants that 30% per app on top of the subscription 15% cut. I really hope the web gets so powerful native apps are only needed in rare instances, but then expect safari to lag in cutting edge features
I think its better to say they are not missing out on a revenue stream they want because they have made it clear they dont want xcloud in the App Store. The other point I would raise is even if xcloud was in the App Store would they expect to be treated the same was a Netflix or Prime and be classed as a 'Reader" App and therefore would not make anything off the subscription anyway