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Xbox One X or PS4 Pro?

Which do you choose, Xbox One X or PS4 Pro?

  • Xbox One X

    Votes: 52 55.3%

  • PS4 Pro

    Votes: 42 44.7%
  • Total voters
    94
PS4 Pro. Not only is it a year ahead of the One X, it is priced lower (and will probably drop more when the X comes out) and the exclusives are top-notch. Plus I am still bitter about Micro$oft's (failed) efforts with the Xbox One and trying to make it online-only and bundling the Kinect with it @$500.
 
Really surprised the poll is even, expected it to tilt significantly in PS4 Pro favour. Not sure if there is a country bias (USA tends to favour Xbox far more than other regions)
 
I think MS has a lot of proving to do since Xbox One has felt more abandoned than not, before they earn my money on additional hardware (traded regular Xb1 to Xb1s for almost nothing last summer, and don’t regret it to do away with power brick and gain 4K UHD and a quiet machine but...) especially up against Nintendo Switch and PS4.

PS4 Pro gets my vote. Already tons of excellent exclusives, and full access to non-Pro tailored games that are just regular PS4 also.

Unless you’re really dying for Forza 4K, specifically, and to say you have better specs

But if its a spec war, at that point I’d just build a gaming rig, especially since MS = Windows = xbox feels more like a subsidized low end PC than a system, these days

All imo of course, but I’ve sorta given up on MS

And I haven’t owned Nintendo since GBA, minus trying Wii briefly at launch and selling it,

And i haven’t had Sony since Ps2,

360 was king of previous gen, but oh how the mighty have fallen now

If not for using xb1s for 4K blu rays, and having a bunch of digital legacy purchases, and getting almost no money for the system in resell too, I would at least consider selling my xb1s.
 
af21187 said:
PS4 Pro. Not only is it a year ahead of the One X, it is priced lower (and will probably drop more when the X comes out) and the exclusives are top-notch. Plus I am still bitter about Micro$oft's (failed) efforts with the Xbox One and trying to make it online-only and bundling the Kinect with it @$500.
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Sony's been the best selling console at $299 (slim 1TB) and Pro ($399) - I don't think there's going to be any price drops until next year - if at all...

(Especially if XBox One S is mostly at $249 with a game and $499 for the One X).

The Holidays will bring bundles/free games. You may see $249 and $349 on Black Friday, but who really wants to spend their Thanksgiving Day in line/queue?
 
BaronS said:
Really surprised the poll is even, expected it to tilt significantly in PS4 Pro favour. Not sure if there is a country bias (USA tends to favour Xbox far more than other regions)
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In what way, if you are picking an answer based on the services or potential the xbox x is a home run with the better CPU and GPU plus the online services are still leaps ahead of the PS4.
 
AFEPPL said:
In what way, if you are picking an answer based on the services or potential the xbox x is a home run with the better CPU and GPU plus the online services are still leaps ahead of the PS4.
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One of the reasons people may choose a Mac is to avoid Windows, another is that by not using windows you miss out on functionality with the Xbox. Remote play for example is windows only for Xbox where as it works on Mac for Playstation.

Second Xbox 'lost' this gen (if that matters) so you'd expect the majority to be with Playstation.

As much as there is an upgrade in visuals, from what we can tell at this point, there are fairly few games and MS do look to be bringing Xbox into Windows (console runs a variant of windows 10 I understand) and so it's a little at odds with Mac users typical view.

The online services are fairly similar between the two now (I have used both extensively, this is my view) though Live is a little more reliable and feels more polished/complete.

There are more 'great' games on PS4, Xbox has State of Decay 2, Sea of Thieves, Forza, Gears, Crackdown and Ori. PS4 has Uncharted, HZD, Infamous, The last of us, until dawn, David cages work and a number of games which don't interest me like bloodbourne, Nier, Spiderman etc.

Really only Forza and Ori are standout games there with good reviews and sales for Xbox. They aim to be the most powerful platform for multi plats and to merge as much as possible with PC (player unknown battlegrounds is a great example of this)/

Sony are not just Playstation but it's a vital part of the company and you'd expect them to continue to invest and that's likely why you'll continue to see them out ahead in terms of exclusive content and sales.

Just my 2c, I like both platforms but (I think, deciding at the moment) I only have room for one and it feels that as a Mac and iOS user PS4 is a better fit all round.
 
I don't agree, it's just fanboy talk if you are not picking on capabilities..

Gamers simply care about the console with the most powerful guts for the best looking games which is beyond any kind of debate at this point. Xbox has hit a home run the difference in capabilities, it is just that big now between PS4 and Xbox X.

I had a PS4 and the remote play app was just too laggy to use even on the best gaming rig, it's just not ready as yet, like you say with the online apps its just lacking polish/fluidity and thats not changed since launch.

Without doubt sony won this gen on unit sales. sony will continue to invest PS absolutely but you are not going to see a Pro+ to get them to the Xbox levels of performance, it will be for the PS5 in 2-3 years time. With the availability of power on the newer console developers are going to be looking to take advantage of that and the games developers will continue to move around as they always do. Also less and less are staying exclusive these days, which makes total sense from a $ point of view. It's very easy to port between the two given the similarity in both CPU and GPU. Also given the power PC developers will be able to release on the pro too and further capitalise or realize sales. You have to say as a developer you want you game on PC, XBOX and PS4 all with online services allowing you to compete against anyone on any platform...

Look how things are changing/moving Xboxs 43 Games vs PS 15 previewed at E3?? And many of those PS4 games will be on Xbox too.

Exciting times..

As for Windows vs Mac, again if you pick on historical reason, yeah mac. But as a user of windows on my mac, if I'm objective, I have less issues on the windows stack these days than on the apple one. Plus it seems to run better and looks more modern in many ways. iOS, is a mess and needs a lot of work. That said, lets see what changes with 11 but the UI design of both is very dated now.
 
For me it comes down to games, and in that light, the Xbox is at a severe disadvantage. Microsoft just can't compete with the 1st party titles that Sony is putting out. Microsoft has continually focused on everything besides games this generation and their sales performance compared to Sony shows how much of a mistake that was.
 
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It isn't just games for me when it comes down to which one, as I could honestly make a case for both as I've enjoyed exclusives on both consoles.

But user interface is important to me, and that's one area where Sony is miles ahead. Microsoft just seem content to destroy everything good about the Xbox dashboard. Trying to make the machine run like windows 10 is nothing but a mistake. Things are difficult to get to, menus for things like achievements are tucked away. They add things like an achievement leaderboard between friends that uses to be a right trigger click away, now it takes 2 minutes to find where they've moved it to.

There's a big emphasis on other services like film and bing and it's just clutter and unnecessary. But that's the path they chose for this gen. Not just the games, which is where PS4 is firmly at. Shame too, as the Xbox controller is far superior to the DS4 in every possible way (to my thumbs anyway) and I have always preferred achievements over trophies. But there we have it.

I like the idea of an 'X' but don't really have the time to game on a PS4, Xbox and Switch so I'm having to make a similar hoice between PS4 and Xbox. It will be PS4 for me as it gets more in the way of indie support, remote play works on my macbook or my Xperia device (and quite well too) when the TV is in use, and Spiderman. Say no more.
 
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Cashmonee said:
For me it comes down to games, and in that light, the Xbox is at a severe disadvantage. Microsoft just can't compete with the 1st party titles that Sony is putting out. Microsoft has continually focused on everything besides games this generation and their sales performance compared to Sony shows how much of a mistake that was.
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I'm perfectly fine having both the PS4 Pro an Xbox one X having completely separate advantages to each other. Sony has the exclusive titles and Xbox is bringing hardware that no other console has before. But regardless, most of the major titles are available for both platforms. And once the Xbox X actually has its debut of being released and is experienced by the consumer, that's when we will see what this console is really Capable of.
 
Relentless Power said:
I'm perfectly fine having both the PS4 Pro an Xbox one X having completely separate advantages to each other. Sony has the exclusive titles and Xbox is bringing hardware that no other console has before. But regardless, most of the major titles are available for both platforms. And once the Xbox X actually has its debut of being released and is experienced by the consumer, that's when we will see what this console is really Capable of.
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Do you really think people care that much about the power of the console? Honest question.

In my view, most people don't have 4K screens with HDR, so they aren't likely to see any improvement over a vanilla Xbox One. Plus, if someone values power and graphics as much or more than the games, I suspect they are using a gaming PC. I have owned every console since the Dreamcast, and have been on the side of Sega, MS, Sony, and Nintendo at one time or another, so I feel I am fair when I say the Xbox just doesn't have it this gen. Microsoft has let their first party titles and studios flounder and I think that coupled with the misguided effort to make a media PC at the start of the generation has put them in a spot they cannot easily recover from. Yea, the One X has a lot of power, but no games of interest that cannot be had on PS4 or PC.
 
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Do you really think people care that much about the power of the console? Honest question.

In my view, most people don't have 4K screens with HDR, so they aren't likely to see any improvement over a vanilla Xbox One. Plus, if someone values power and graphics as much or more than the games, I suspect they are using a gaming PC. I have owned every console since the Dreamcast, and have been on the side of Sega, MS, Sony, and Nintendo at one time or another, so I feel I am fair when I say the Xbox just doesn't have it this gen. Microsoft has let their first party titles and studios flounder and I think that coupled with the misguided effort to make a media PC at the start of the generation has put them in a spot they cannot easily recover from. Yea, the One X has a lot of power, but no games of interest that cannot be had on PS4 or PC.
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Long post ahead:

Honest answer: No, because this console
Is not intended for the average gamer . Which is also dependent on what games will utilize the power to maximize the experience for the gamer. My disclaimer is I want the best experience possible with my console. Which, Phil Spencer stated "The Xbox One S will be the better gaming experience for everyday gamer, but for the gamer that wants a premium experience, and the highest Fidelity, that will be the Xbox One X."

This is a great interview with Spencer and how he discusses the uprise of 4K adoption, console pricing and demographic.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017...s-not-the-console-most-people-will-buy/?amp=1

I think this describes me and my situation and what I want being a gamer and the most from my console . I don't consider myself an average gamer and I have been gaming for quite some time and I always look for the best results to immerse me.

However, to achieve part of that experience, I also have a high-end 4K/HDR TV to enhance more finite details. But I do think 4K is making headway, but their are still many who have not upgraded to 4K as of yet to take advantage of this experience.

I still think it's too early to fully assess where the Xbox X's capabilities, because all we have observed are demo's from E3.

Also, interestingly enough I find the Xbox One X should not be for every gamer, because not every gamer will appreciate the true power of the Xbox One X based on their expectations. Which even, Spencer commented:

"Spencer explained that the Xbox One X is for a very specific audience, and that it was never meant to be a mass market driver. ‘Xbox One X is specifically a console, so it’s for someone who want to play on a console, who wants the most powerful console, a premium experience…"

Again, most may not appreciate the true power of the Xbox X, but there is a select demographic that will truly take advantage of what it has to offer and a potential with the 4K/HDR TV.

I also have the PS4 Pro and will be adding the Xbox X to my collection this fall, which gives me the best of both worlds. Because Sony does have the exclusive's, where as the Xbox will bring the power.
 
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You just can't have all the games from day one... it just doesn't work that way.
How many apps were available on the iPhone at launch? You have to build it before they can or will come.

Xbox is leaps in front of the PS in terms of ability online services/experience, and this time too its more reliable too. (anyone wanting a blue light of death PS4 let me know). I don't want to play games on a PC, i want a closed box with end to end control..

I can't wait for the X, I've not been this excited for a tech product for well over 5 years.
Yes, i have 4k TVs in just about every room.
 
AFEPPL said:
You just can't have all the games from day one... it just doesn't work that way.
How many apps were available on the iPhone at launch? You have to build it before they can or will come.

Xbox is leaps in front of the PS in terms of ability online services/experience, and this time too its more reliable too. (anyone wanting a blue light of death PS4 let me know). I don't want to play games on a PC, i want a closed box with end to end control..

I can't wait for the X, I've not been this excited for a tech product for well over 5 years.
Yes, i have 4k TVs in just about every room.
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What do you mean you can't have all games on day one?

Ps4 pro had quite a few pro compatible day 1, and backwards compatible with all regular games no problem

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iPhone app argument doesn't hold up. You're talking about iPhone OS 2 vs iOS 10/11 and 7 soon to be 7s/8

App ecosystem is good to go, day 1, on those as well


4k forza alone isnt appealing to most people Imo
 
Sorry but that rubbish if you're bringing in backward compat into it, Xbox can run many of the 360 games for free...! PS4 can't run PS3 games native, you have to use a naff streaming service with huge lag.

iPhone ok lets swap to iPad pro - how many apps can take advantage of the power.. thats the point!!!
and i own 2 pros, the list is shocking. IT WILL take time to get apps to use that power.

MS has said there will be 40+ games enhanced for the X at lunch, thats now grown to nearer 90 and thats before release... And the X games are in the main (80 some) 4k! PS4 pro by comparison is only around 90 games after 9 months on the market.. and only 50 are close to 4k.
 
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AFEPPL said:
Sorry but that rubbish if you're bringing in backward compat into it, Xbox can run many of the 360 games for free...! PS4 can't run PS3 games native, you have to use a naff streaming service with huge lag.

iPhone ok lets swap to iPad pro - how many apps can take advantage of the power.. thats the point!!!
and i own 2 pros, the list is shocking. IT WILL take time to get apps to use that power.

MS has said there will be 40+ games enhanced for the X at lunch, thats now grown to nearer 90 and thats before release... And the X games are in the main (80 some) 4k! PS4 pro by comparison is only around 90 games after 6 months on the market.. and only 50 are close to 4k.
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I literally had no clue that many so I stand corrected

But the 499 price seems unjustified

That 100 premo over direct competition

Seems like a re run of Xbox one and PS4 launching at 499 and 399

And I say this as someone who skipped ps3 and PS4 and picked up a Pro day 1

I think lack of sales for all but the biggest enthusiasts will reflect that

I think 1 in 5 Sony owners has the pro

I could see it being 1 in 10 for MS camp. We’ll see
 
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I'm cool with people being PS4 fans, in the same way you have the rMBP and MBA camps. if you like the PS4 platform go for it, the Xbox X is not for you.
The cost will be a problem for many and i don't think its a good move if you want to become the dominant platform, but it is value for money as 4k PC comparisons rigs have shown. I believe both camps know this and are ok with a 20% footprint 1yr in.

The biggest miss on the Xbox (S and X) is not user changeable drive. Thats just crazy, Drop the drive to reduce the price and let other users through in SSDs.
 
I've got a games PC and an Xbox One at the moment, so in the unlikely event that I did get the urge to upgrade I'd get the new Xbox. A lot of the PS4 stuff that isn't on Xbox is on PC anyway, and the rest of it (the genuine PS4 exclusives) I can probably live without. That said, I wouldn't mind playing Last Guardian and the VR version of Rez...

I like the integration between Xbox and Windows, such as buying a game on one platform and being able to play on the other. The Xbox app is very useful to me, as is being able to use Xbox accessories on Windows. All of this makes the new Xbox a bit redundant if your PC is already a lot more powerful.

Not sure why anyone needs to upgrade the internal hard drive, though. Buy a cheap external drive, plug it in via USB and forget about it, that way you can still use the original drive as well.
 
But the speed sucks, loads times are so much better with SSD - it's not about capacity, for that you can add an external which you cant do on PS4. I then move games to a 4TB archive drive as i use them less. System still lives on the HDD.
 
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But the speed sucks, loads times are so much better with SSD - it's not about capacity, for that you can add an external which you cant do on PS4. I then move games to a 4TB archive drive as i use them less. System still lives on the HDD.
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Fair enough, I don't really have a problem with the load times - I remember waiting several minutes for 8-bit games to load from tape.

A 1TB SSD is more expensive than the entire console whereas I got a 2TB hard drive for about the price of a game, plus I still have the 500 GB or whatever it is inside the console. I always assumed the Xbox One internal connection was SATA II anyway, so connecting via USB should be faster.
 
Yep, i recall the same waits..

I have 3 Xbox Ones, the first (original) one has a USB enclosure for a 2TB SSD and then i have a WD 4TB archive drive separate. (i dont use the 500GB internal one but dont want to open it up and lose the warranty). The other 2 are Xbox One S's and just have an 4TB USB drive and a 1TB internal.

That's my point of the removable drive, this would allow customers to do as they pls at a price point to match. Maybe even offer the console at a lower cost without both a drive or 4k BR and make it much closer to the PS - but as before i don't believe MS are trying or wanting a price war.

The X861949 southbridge is used internally for the SATA controller
 
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AFEPPL said:
But the speed sucks, loads times are so much better with SSD - it's not about capacity, for that you can add an external which you cant do on PS4. I then move games to a 4TB archive drive as i use them less. System still lives on the HDD.
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There was a patch a while ago that added external drive support to PS4.
 
My PS4 died over 12months ago, so I'm behind.
A patch a few months ago for a fundamental core/basic feature - WOW...!

Have they fixed the really poor/slow load times on many of the games too?
It drove me nuts on the PS4 the wait and pauses in games.
 
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I would say I am platform agnostic. As I said before, I have had every platform since Dreamcast and have felt different companies ahead of the pack at different times. To me Microsoft is pretty far behind this generation. The biggest piece of evidence that dooms them in my eyes is that the two games vying for GOTY are not available on Xbox. In fact, Xbox has nothing that even approaches GOTY (for the current year) status at this point. I understand that not everyone is into the exclusives on other platforms, and in that case, the Xbox can make a fine choice. However, when you are not even in the discussion for GOTY, it makes it tough to make a lot of headway, especially when all of your games are available on PC which is even more powerful than the most powerful console ever.

From my view, the Xbox has the superior controller, better online experience, more powerful when the X arrives (though I don’t think as much more as MS wants you to believe), and Ultra HD Blu-ray. Even with all those adavantages they are getting crushed in sales. The reason is game library. Sony simply has a far superior library of games and has focused on games from the beginning of this generation. If Microsoft could match them in games, the Xbox would kill. But MS is more interested in trying to make the Xbox something people don’t want. First it was a media PC and now it’s a Windows 10 box on your TV. They need to get some games.
 
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